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Felipe Quezada + María de la Torre y Valdez (Colotlán, Jalisco)

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By inoeys - Posted on 21 May 2021

Hey everyone.

I am currently working on a line which takes me to Felipe Quezada and Maria de la Torre Valdez by way of their Gertrudis Quezada (who married Antonio Enriquez) and their grandson Florencio Enriquez (who married Maria de Jesus Bañuelos).

Felipe and Maria lived and died in Colotlán, Jalisco in the 1730s.

On one hand, I can't manage to find anything about Felipe's parents and am of course wondering if anyone has managed to break that wall yet.

On the other I have found trees which list Maria de la Torre's parents as Juan de la Torre (son of Juan del Campo de la Torre and Angela Velasco de Mojica/Mujica), but no documents to confirm such a connection. Would anybody be able to point me in the right direction?

Question?

Did Maria de la torre have a ranch in colotlan with the same name rancho maria de la torre?

I have some madera an ancestors that were there at that ranch during early 1700's

I don't know, but now that I have it in my radar, I'll let you know if I find anything.

p.s. I should've proofread my post before hitting save/enter. I mean to obviously say that they lived in Colotlan and they both died there in the 1730s. Maria was born around 1691 and died in 1731. Felipe passed away in 1737.

What I find interesting that it seems like they started out in Colotlan (where they had their kid Diego) then went to Huejucar and then moved to Tlaltenango and then settled back in Colotlan. Gertrudis Quezada, their daughter who is my ancestor, was born in Las Bocas around 1709 (she got married to Antonio Enriquez in Colotlan, though). Felipe and Maria had two kids born in Tlaltenango in the 1710s (Domingo and Manuel) and then the rest in Colotlan.

I don't know, but now that I have it in my radar, I'll let you know if I find anything.

p.s. I should've proofread my post before hitting save/enter. I mean to obviously say that they lived in Colotlan and they both died there in the 1730s. Maria was born around 1691 and died in 1731. Felix passed away in 1737.

What I find interesting that it seems like they started out in Colotlan (where they had their kid Diego) then went to Huejucar and then moved to Tlaltenango and then settled back in Colotlan. Gertrudis Quezada, their daughter who is my ancestor, was born in Las Bocas around 1709 (she got married to Antonio Enriquez in Colotlan, though). Felipe and Maria had two kids born in Tlaltenango in the 1710s (Domingo and Manuel) and then the rest in Colotlan.

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I have this...
1st cousin 11x removed of Chet Castanon (My Father)
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
Trunk....Don Juan de la Torre
Magdalena de la Torre...Antonia de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Antonio de Robles.......Juan de Velasco.. 2nd
Ylario de Robles........Gertrudis de Velasco.. 3rd
.........................Ma. Cresencia Sanchez.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk....Juan de la Torre...
Andrea de la Torre.........Maria de la Torre....1st degree
Luisa del Muro.............Gertrudis Quesada..2nd degree
Felipe de Santiago.........Petra Henrriquez.....3rd degree
Juan Jose de Santiago......Ma. Josefa Ortis.....4th degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree
Trunk.. Don Juan de la Torre and (Clara Chavez)
Andrea de la Torre.......Antonia de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Ma. Lusia del Muro.......Juan Velasco... 2nd
Juan Felipe Santiago.....Francisca Velasco.. 3rd
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk....Don Juan de la Torre and Clara Chavez
Dona Antonia de la Torre....Dona Andrea de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Dona Ma. Corona Velasco.....Dona Ma. Luisa del Muro.. 2nd
Dona Ma. Lus de Nava........Don Felipe de Santiago.. 3rd
Dona Soledad Perez..........Don Ricardo Santiago.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk... Don Juan de la Torre
Maria de la Torre....Magdalena de la Torre.. sisters 1st
Gertrudis Quezada....Agustina Robles.. 2nd
Petra Enrriques......Narcizo Gonsales.. 3rd
Ma. Justa Ortis......J. Antonio Gonsales.. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk.... Don Juan de la Torre
Dna. Antonia de la Torre.....Dna. Magdalena de la Torre.. 1st
Dn. Juan de Velazco..........Dna. Agustina de Robles.. 2nd
Dna. Ma. Jpha de Velazco.....Dna. Ma. Corona Gonzales.. 3rd
Don Andres de Palos..........Dna. Ma. Victoriana Gonzales.. 4th
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y8N-8?i=124&cc=1874591
This record is how i know maria de la torre's father is a son of juan del campo de la torre and angela velasco. felipe de santiago orta is a nephew of maria de la torre

Oh, Erlinda, once again thank you so much! This is great. I will look for all of those dispensations and will report back, but clearly the triangulations are solid.

Fantastic, thank you so much! Looking forward to help you break a wall sometime, somewhere.

(I wasn't aware of the existence of Orta, but I'm adding all the information on this dispensa to my tree so I can better understand how the braid is further braided and figure out where else the paper trail connects him to Maria de la Torre, wife of Felipe Quezada.)

(Btw, Katy, I was looking around your entries on wikitree, and the name Miguel Quezada keeps popping up. I match someone with his name on GEDmatch, as well as a "MQ" and a "JQ" on Ancestry whose kits are managed by someone with your last name, so I guess he is/they are your family.)

I just read the entire dispensa of Orta and Barragán. Mexican telenovelas got nothing on this bunch. Orta had to testify not only on his familial links to his bride but to his two previous wives and how the women were also related to each other!

Now I am also wondering also about two of the witnesses on the dispensa: Casimiro Olague de Etulain and Roque Jacinto de la Torre.

I've seen Casimiro listed in some trees as the husband of Rosa de la Torre y de la Torre, one of the sisters of Roque Jacinto de la Torre Valdez (the second witness in the dispensa).

Roque Jacinto and Rosa I have in my notes as children of Roque de la Torre y Valdez Haro and Juana de la Torre. (Roque Sr. I understand was the co-founder of Juanchorrey, and son of Alferez Diego de la Torre y Valdez Gamboa and Ana Francisca de Haro. On the other hand, Juana de la Torre I got down as daughter of Manuel de la Torre y Renteria and Josefa Gonzalez de Haro).

So, has anybody found anything about Casimiro (and Rosa)? In the jerezzacatecas blog, Rosa is listed as the mother of Isabel de la Torre who married Juan (de Dios Avila?) Carlos --which btw, is another bit of a confusing mess-- but there's no mention of Casimiro and I also haven't been able to locate any documents either way. Hope somebody around here can clarify.

Now on to looking for the other dispensas that Erlinda quoted from. Sunday entertainment!

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this is what I have:
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2nd cousin 10x removed of Chet Castanon
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baptism 24 March 1694 in Jerez, Zac
Casimirio Espanol no dob or city
parents: Joxxe de Olague and Antonia de Avila
godparents: Dona Juana de Gamvoa
source: 439844 film
page 152 Family search online
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witness on marriage dispensation 1754 in Jerez, Zac
Don Casimiro Olague de Etulain Espanol from hacienda de Guejote age 56
page 124 Familysearch online
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Don Casimiro Olague de Etulain born abt 1698 native of Jerez, Zac
was Alcalde ordinario of Jerez, Zac in 1762
and was a witness at the marriage information for Manuel de Avila and Casimira Rosalia Llanos y Valdes
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for their children I have:
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marriage dispensation 4th degree between wives
Trunk Unknown... (Rosa de la Torre)
Felipa de la Torre....Ysabel de la Torre.. 1st degree
Josefa Camacho........Juana Carlos...2nd degree
Antonia Herrera.......Claudia Correa... 3rd degree
Calletana Lopez.......Ma. San Marcos Carlos
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk..Dona Rosa de la Torre
Dona Ysabel de la Torre.....Felipa de Olague.. half sister
Dona Juana Carlos...........Ma. Carmen Camacho..2nd
Dona Ma. Romana Correa......Ma. Josefa Orosco...3rd degree
Don Juan Nepomuceno Nava....Ma. Refugio Alvarez
marriage dispensation granted 15 April 1818 in Jerez, Zac
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marriage 21 June 1716 in Jerez, Zac
Georgue de Olague Espanol
widower of Dona Antonia de Avila
with Dona Francisca Luariana/Luciana? Pacheco de Salas
parents: Juan Pacheco de Quero deceased and Maria Fernandes de Salas all Criollos (natives) of district of Jerez
all criollos of district of Jerez
source: 440059 film
page 67 Family search online
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page 209 Family search online
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Don George de Olague Atulain was owner of hacienda de Huejote (Quexote)
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Don George de Olague Atulain was owner of la Canada, Jerez, Zac
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child of George:

marriage 23 April 1713 in Jerez, Zac
Francisco de Avila Espanol
parents: Juan de Avila Caldera and Dona Antonia de la Torre
with Sebastiana de Olague
widow of Nicolas Dena
witness: el Capitan George de Olague, Miguel Alvares de Quinones, Juan Medrano and many others
marriage dispensation 3rd degree consanguinidad
source: 0440059 Jerez, Zac marriage
page 10 Family search online
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marriage dispensation requested Febrero 13 de 1713 in Xerez, Zac
Dispensa de tercero con cuarto grado de consanguinidad -
Francisco Dávila Caldera, de 25 años de edad, hijo legítimo del
Cap. Juan Dávila Caldera y de Doña Antonia de la Torre, españoles, vecinos y originarios de este feligresía de la Villa de Xerez;
with: Sebastiana de Olague. española mayor de 20 años de edad, hija natural de Jorge de Olague. y viuda de Nicolás Dena. Declaración del Cap. Don Miguel Alvarez de Quiñones, de 48 años de
edad:
Juan de la Torre y Diego de la Torre, fueron hermanos, y Juan tuvo por hija a Doña Juana de Gamboa, y éste a Jorge de Olague, y Jorge a Sebastiana de Olague, pretensa, y Diego de la Torre, tuvo por hija a Doña Antonia de la Torre, madre del pretenso.
Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 25 de marzo de 1713. 10 fojas.
source: sagrada mitra record # 496 - 167983 film
page 92 Familysearch online program
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
Trunk.. Juan de la Torre and Juana Gamboa Villalobos
Juan de la Torre... ........Diego de la Torre..1st degree
Juana d. l. Torre Gamboa....Antonia de la Torre2nd degree
Jorge Olague................Francisco Davila Caldera.3rd degree
Sebastiana Olague ..........4th degree
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baptism 12 Oct 1699 in Jerez, Zac
Miguel Espanol no dob or city
parents: Xorge de Olague and Antonia de Abila
godparents: Juan de Olague and Ysabel de Luna
source: 439844 film
page 232 Family search online
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marriage 10 Sept 1721 in Jerez, Zac
Miguel de Olague Espanol from Jerez
parents: el Capitan Don George de Olague and Dona Antonia de Avila
with Dona Maria Hipolita Garcia de la Cadena Espanola from the district of Jerez
parents: Don Andres Garcia de la Cadena and Dona Maria del Rio y Losa
source: 440059 film
page 166 Family search online
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appeared as witness in the dispensation of Manuel de Avila and Rosalia Valdes in 1762
Don Miguel Olague de Etulain age 62 from Jerez
Alcalde originario que asido en ella en segundo y primero voto
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
Trunk....Miguel de Olague and Juana de la Torre
Leonor de Olague.... ......Agueda de Olague.. siblings 1st degree
Angela Ortiz...............Francisco Chavez Banuelos..2nd
Christoval Villavicencio...Gertrudis Chavez Banuelos.. 3rd
source: sagrada mitra 167989
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I have George Olague Etulain and Juana Cid Caldera as parents of Miguel but did not put the link in the record..
I also have Miguel Olague and Francisca Doria (Garay) as parents of George but again no verification as to how I got that information

I just wanted to pop in here and say that I descend from Felipe and Maria, along with Maria Gertrudis, their daughter, and Felipe and Maria's son Manuel.

I've searched for Felipe's parents for many years, with no success. It's very likely that he came from somewhere else (maybe another part of Zacatecas or Aguascalientes, where there are other Quezadas), but without a marriage record for Felipe and Maria, we may be out of luck. There is always a chance that there is a record out there with more information, perhaps unindexed.

Katy and Erlinda are my cousins; my DNA is on Ancestry and FTDNA, but I use initials-- JJ for FTDNA and R Ruiz for Ancestry. If you'd like, we can exchange info to see how close our cousinship is. I always like to add a new cousin to the tree!

Rosalinda

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