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Looking for origins of Rafael Duran

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By eduran74 - Posted on 03 October 2019

Hola parientes, I am currently stuck. I am looking for any baptismal records for Rafael Duran. Rafael is my 4th great-grandfather. I found his matrimonial record of his marriage to Dolores Aguilera on the 23rd of February 1800: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY3Q-FJS?i=264&cc=1502404

I'm stuck because the record states "padres no conocidos" so his parents are not listed. With Dolores he goes on to have many children born in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Does anyone have any potential leads I can follow? My hunch is he was born some time around 1775-1777. I've search in Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Jalisco. The closest I've found is Josef Rafael Duran baptized in Teocaltiche, Jalisco in 1777: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GR6G-6?i=368&cc=1874591

Thank you,

Ernesto Duran

Saludos Ernesto,
You are most likely related to me through María Estefana Escoto Garcia. We still need to continue investigating to find the connection. I believe that we are related through the Marin.

Maria Estefana Escoto Garcia was baptized on New Year’s Day, 1/Jan/1815 at San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco by her parents Nepomuceno Escoto and Francisca Garcia. Nepomuceno and Francisca were married on 9/Feb/1814, also in San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco.

Nepomuceno is the son of Felipe Escoto and María Juaquina Marin. I believe that María Juaquina is related to my Marin De Anda ancestors.

Maria Francisca Garcia Navejas was baptized on 26/October/1795 in San Juan de Los Lagos parents Jose Margaro Garcia and Maria Josefa Navejas.

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K3N1-8?i=126&cc=1874591

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you for this! I will continue my work too and share what I can find.

Ernie Duran

Hello Ernie,

Glad I could Help. Here are a couple tidbits on the family.

Maria Luciana de Jesus Guerrero Also used the surname Guerra.

Jose Margaro Garcia was also known as Margarito Garcia.

There are Padrinos with the surname De Anda Which leads me to believe that María Juaquina Marin is related to the Marin De Anda family. I believe that Juaquina Marin is related to Juan Manuel Marin married to Ana Maria De San Ramon de Anda. A search of this couple may reveal valuable clues. I would not be surprised if Joaquina Marin is a daughter of Juan Manuel Main and Ana María de San Ramon de Anda.

Good luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Rick, my brother had his DNA tested with Ancestry.com and it looks like I am descended from Jose Francisco Nepomuceno Escoto (page 332) whose parents are Jose Rafael Escoto and Bartola Flores. As the Ancestry TrueLines show I have relatives stemming from Jose Rafael Escoto and Maria Bartola Flores (with separate connections, relatives from Escoto and relatives from Flores).

Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Ernesto Duran

Both Escoto families are situated in San Juan de Los Lagos so they are most likely Connected

Rick A. Ricci

Good point, so it's more likely that Felipe Escoto is related to Jose Rafael Escoto (brothers?) and that's why it is showing up that way in the DNA lineage. Hmmm.

Ernesto

The information about the DNA is fantastic because now we can search Jose Rafael’s ancestry and see if we can find Clues to Felipe’s ancestry. You might be right that Felipe and Rafael are brothers, I also see a possibility of Felipe being the son Jose Rafael Escoto. In this scenario, your Nepomuceno is named after his uncle Francisco Nepomuceno Escoto. We need to do more research to find the exact relationship.

The Escoto from Sevilla were originally from Genoa. I have done a lot of research on this family in Castilla and Genoa.

Jose Rafael Escoto is the son of Jose Mariano Escoto Tovar y Elizalde and María German Barajas.

María Bartola Flores is the daughter of Jose Flores and Maria Antonia de Avalos.

Jose Mariano Escoto Is the son of Nicolas Escoto Tovar y Morales and Felipa Lopez de Elizalde.

Nicolas Escoto is the son of Ygnacio Escoto Tovar y Ortiz and Beatriz Morales

Ygnacio Escoto is the son of Antonio Escoto Tovar and Ynes Ortiz de Rodas

Maria Antonia Avalos, the mother of Maria Bartola Flores was married at least twice as she has at least one other husband.

Rick

There are previous posts that have to do with some ancestors of María Bartola Flores

María Bartola Flores is the daughter of Jose Flores and Maria Antonia de Avalos

María Antonia de Avalos is the daughter of Pedro de Avalos and Juana Olivares

Pedro de Avalos is the son of Miguel de Avalos and Maria Gutierrez (Baez?)

Pedro de Avalos is the son of Isabel de Avalos

Isabel de Avalos is the daughter of Beatriz Sanchez Mendoza

Miguel De Avalos y Villaseñor was married to Maria Gutierrez. I believe that Teresa Baez (aka Gutierrez) and Maria Gutierrez are the same person.
Miguel is the son of Isabel De Avalos y Sánchez (daughter of Maria Sanchez)
This family connects to the family in post: http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/24206?page=2

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/es/node/24208

Thank you I will look that post up!

Ernesto

I want to share screenshots of the Ancestry DNA info.

DNA ethnicity/race breakdown

Bartola Flores

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