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Possible Family of Benito de Isla and Petronila de Moctezuma

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By The Genealogist - Posted on 26 May 2015

Hello,

I have recently discovered that I descend from a Benito de Isla whose many descendants spread throughout Nochistlan. I hit the brick wall there, and I do not know who Benito’s wife was. Normally I would assume that the traceable ancestry ends there. However, I have spotted miscellaneously placed postings that allude to a specific ancestry for Benito de Isla and his unnamed wife when they are all placed together. Unfortunately I have been unable to pinpoint the sources for most of these postings – this is where I need help.

But to start with:

PART 1: What is Provable:

From the primary sources that I have been able to access and see with my own eyes, I have mapped out the following:

Benito de Isla was the father of Magdalena de Lavezaris (wife of Francisco Gonzalez) and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). This same Benito de Isla also had a natural mestiza daughter named Maria de Isla.

There is another Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano and had a family in Aguascalientes. This Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) had a sister named Petronila de Isla.

PART 2: What I suspect (Part A): The Maria de Isla’s:

I think that the Maria de Isla (the mestiza) is possibly one and the same with the Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano. However, I have not seen this Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) ever mentioned as anything but “espanol;” the same goes for her children. Then again I have seen many examples within these Mexican colonial records were people who are more accurately and originally described as mixed race, appear later in life described as “espanol”. If these two Maria de Isla’s are the same person then Benito de Isla is also the father of Petronila de Isla.

I do not think the Maria de Isla (wife of Chritobal Martinez Lozano) is the same person as Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). There seem to be too many children born to both of these women to be same one.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part B): The Lavezaris Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Magdalena de Lavezaris. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I think that Benito de Isla is the son of a Bernardino de Isla and another Magdalena de Lavezaris who was the sister of Guido de Lavezaris, Governor-General of the Philippines.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part C): The Moctezuma Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Maria de Isla y Moctezuma. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I suspect the connection was matrilineal but have never seen a wife listed for Benito de Isla from my own research. (Benito de Isla possibly being the father of Petronila de Isla also comes into play here.)

I have spotted a few interesting postings that allude to Benito de Isla’s wife. However, they are un-sourced postings, I have been unable to make contact with the people who posted them, and have not been able to pinpoint any primary sources for the following:

From other’s Postings:

1. I have seen a forum (here at Nuestros Ranchos) where a Petronila de Isla is described as being the daughter of a Benito de Isla and a Juana Navarro. I have been unable to contact the person who posted this. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

2. I have seen a tree on Ancestry.com where Benito de Isla is married to a Juana Navarro. Here Juana Navarro dies 28 Dec 1651 in Teocaltiche. The death records in Teocaltiche do not go back that far. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

3. In another tree on Ancestry.com, Benito de Isla is married to a Juana “Navarro y Moctezuma.” Wonderful, if her name actually appears this way, but does anyone know where this information comes from?

4. I have seen forums of the couple Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma as having 4 children: Ana-Francisca, Maria, Christobal, and JUANA. Ana-Francisca, Maria, and Christobal are provable children via various dispensas. But where does the information of this couple also having a daughter named Juana come from? Does anyone know?

PART 3 Conclusions?:

All of this starts to lean in a certain direction. Let us assume that, outside of what is provable, what I suspect is true and what others have posted is also true; that all that is needed is to pinpoint a few more sources. Then the following is a possible reconstruction of the whole picture:

Benito de Isla (son of Bernardino de Isla and Magdalena de Lavezaris) married a Juana Navarro (daughter of Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma) and had as daughters Magdalena de Lavezaris (named after her paternal grandmother), Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (partially named after her maternal grandmother), Petronila de Isla (also partially named after her maternal grandmother), with the additional Maria de Isla (the Mestiza daughter born from another woman).

Chronologically it fits, though a little tight on Petronila de Moctezuma’s side if we assume she was born about 1552, allegedly had the said Juana by 1572, Juana having Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma by the time she was age 15 c. 1587, and both Madalena and Maria also starting to have children by about age 15, since most of their traceable children have their earliest estimated birth years in the late 1600’s early 1610’s. Keep in mind that 15 is a typical age for young girls to marry in this time period.

I would appreciate any opinions, corrections, or primary sources on these matters which may prove or refute the possible reconstruction of this tree.

Regards,

David

Hi David

Very interesting theory! I wish i had info for you, but the Isla line is not one i have ever researched. However, it would be good to get straight, the children of Petronila and Martin. You have found a reference in the forum to 3 daughters and 1 son. I seem to recall a post that named 2 daughters and 2 sons. I just did some searches for that post but cannot find it, so maybe i remember wrong. Could you post the link to the one you found? I am currently going through records from mex city in the late 1550s, if i see the isla name i will post here.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Denise,

The forum that has a Petronila de Isla as the daughter of a Benito de Isla and a Juana Navarro appears here:

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The forum that has 3 daughters and 1 son for Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma appears here:

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(Keep in mind that Ana-Francisca, Maria, and Christobal are provable siblings. the alleged Juana is the one that needs to be solidified.)

If you find anything please let me know. Even the smallest new confirmable detail can create a clearer picture in genealogy research.

Regards,

David

Petronila de Isla:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/17962

Juana Navarro:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/17199

David,

Here is what I have -

There were letters between Jaime Holcombe Isunza and Mary Lou Montagna that a lot of what is known or deduced comes from. Mary Lou would go to Mexico and visit the churches to see the documents herself. Mary Lou compiled information from the letters and their findings. This the following is some of what is found in the compilation of the letters.

The Benito de la Isla y Labesares, from Seville, who came in 1557 as a servant to whom was undoubtedly a relative, is my ancestor all right, but one generation before. Because there are documents on the other Benito’s two sisters, living in Nochistlán. The one that came from Spain came alone and single. So how do two sisters suddenly turn up? No way. The following fits in generationwise:

Benito de la Isla y Labesares married N.N.

1. María de la Concepción de Islas, married Juan Delgadillo, a son of Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderón.
2. Elvira de Islas, married Joseph González.
3. Benito de Islas, married N.N.

i. María González de Islas, married Cristóbal Martínez Lozano
ii. Magdalena de Labesares, married Francisco González.
iii. Petronila de Islas, who apparently did not marry.

Benito also fathered a natural daughter, María de Islas, mestiza, mother not known.

Additional Data

Juana Navarro, wife of Benito de Isla, was buried in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651. The albaceas of her will were Antonio de Ruvalcaba and Miguel Martínez de Alarcón, vecinos de Teocaltiche. This information was extracted from an unmicrofilmed death record in Teocaltiche.

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“Guido de Labazares, vecino y natural de Sevilla, hijo de Sebastián de Labazares y de Catalina de Chaves, con Inés Alvarez, su mujer, vecina de Sevilla; Francisco de Castro y Pedro de Castro, hermanos, naturales de Córdoba, hijos de Luis Fernández y de Leonor de Castro, a Nueva España. Lleva por criados suyos a Benito de la Isla, natural de Sevilla, hijo de Bernardino de Isla y de Magdalena de Labazares; Juana Bernal, doncella, hija de Juan Castaño y de Ana Bernal, vecinos de Sevilla; Tomás, indio, Cristóbal, indio y Beatriz, mestiza.” (Source: Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias, Vol III 1539-1559, Bermúdez Plata, Cristóbal, p. 268, #3538.)

The parents of Bernardino González de Isla y Labesares were Francisco González and Magdalena de Labesares. He lived 22 May 1617 when was a Godfather in the christening of a niece, in Aguascalientes—the Godmother was Petrona de Isla, his sister-in-law. The child, Leonor, born in “La Labor de Xiconaque,” was the daughter of Cristóbal Martínez Lozano and María de Isla: María was a sister of Magdalena de Labesares and Petrona de Isla.
I don’t know Francisco González’ ancestry. The three sisters mentioned above were the daughters of Benito de Islas and N.N. He also had an illegitimate daughter, a mestiza named María de Isla, identified in the marriage information of 1 Aug 1680, for Pedro Rodríguez and Petrona de Islas. This tree is found in the document:

Benito de Islas

María de Isla, mestiza……….1……. Magdalena de Labesares
hija bastarda md Francisco González

Luisa de Isla…………………2……. Bernardino González de Isla
md Antonio de Aguayo md Mariana Sandoval

Isabel de Aguayo…………… 3……. Juan González de Isla
md José Gutiérrez md Juana Rivera y Velázquez

Francisca Gutiérrez………… 4……. Petrona de Islas, la pretensa
had illicit relations with the
pretenso, Pedro Rodríguez

It probably happened that Francisca de Gabay y Moctezuma, the above María de Isla y Moctezuma and María de Isla aka María González de Isla, married to Cristóbal Martínez Lozano were related through the you know who lineage. The third was a daughter of Benito de la Isla and N.N., who’s father was Benito de la Isla, from Sevilla, passenger to the Indies in 1557 (Ophelia found the entry) and a son of Bernardino de Isla and Magdalena de Labesares. Either the first Benito or the second might have married into the Moctezuma line.
In Mexico City’s Castillo de Chapultepec is an oil painting made in the early 1700s of a woman that descended from the Aztec Emperor and had the surname Isla y Moctezuma. Said lady’s genealogy must have been investigated and is to be found somewhere.

A colleague made an interesting observation on the Moctezuma connection. He said, you don’t have to descend from the Aztec emperor, but perhaps from one of his brothers, there having been several and that have been researched little. It’s still a descent from the Aztec royal family. True.

You can download the compilation from https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Distribution%20%28Mary%20Lou%20Montagna%29.doc?dl=0

Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) is definitely not the same person as Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). It's not because there seem to be too many children born to both of these women to be same one. It's because the dates that Christobal Martinez Lozano and María González de Isla had children was in early 1600 based on the marriage dates of those children and Christobal Martinez Lozano was buried 13 Mayo 1646 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-145304-59

Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and María González de Islas y Moctezuma were married prior to 22 Sep 1626 when their son Nicolás was baptized. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-53079-10

Therefore, it is impossible for Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) to have been the same person as Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor).

As far as the parents of those two Marías -

Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) is mentioned as the daughter of Benito de Islas and N.N. by Jaime Holcombe Isunza. Mariano González Leal has her as the daughter of Francisco González Martínez and Magdalena de Lavezares. I can't find any records proving the parents of this María.

The baptism of Leonor de Lozano y González de Isla (the daughter of Maria de Isla and Christobal Martinez Lozano) states "En la labor de Xiconaque en 22 días del mes de mayo de 1617 años bauptizé y puse los olios a Leonor hija de Christobal Lozano y María de Isla fueron sus padrinos Francisco Gonzalez hermano del dicho Christobal Lozano y Petrona de Isla hermana de la dicha María de Isla - Lorenço Rodríguez" https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51575-11

I haven't found any records mentioning the parents of Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor).

I haven't looked for the marriage information of 1 Aug 1680, for Pedro Rodríguez and Petrona de Islas

Hola primos,

All of this is very interesting. The 2 Benito de Isla's/ father & son, might explain a lot. I descend from all of these lines. Here's my 2 cents:

First of all, here's the IM for Pedro Rodriguez and Petrona de Islas-Ribera:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23673-32?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-JXW:n929733730

MARIA DE ISLAS Y MOCTEZUMA

Maria de Islas y Moctezuma, wife of Andres Martin de Sotomayor, was a sister of Magdalena de Lavezares, wife of Francisco Gonzalez Martinez, as established in this dispensa for Joseph Diaz de Leon-Gil and Catarina Gonzalez de Islas-Delgadillo (01 Nov 1709 Nochistlan):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-2483-11?cc=1874591&wc=M99L-KSR:40626408

This would make her a daughter of Benito de la Isla and N.N. I've seen that Holcoombe has Cristobal Lozano's wife as a daughter, as well, but I can't find the source.

MARIA CONCEPCION DE ISLAS & ELVIRA DE ISLAS

I have to question the Maria Concepcion de Islas/ Elvira de Islas connection to the Islas-Lavezares. I have Maria Concepcion de Islas in my lines, and I've been trying to reconcile her with the Islas-Lavezares; the only problem is, if she was a daughter of Benito de la Isla "II," then her son, Diego Delgadillo-Islas, and Petronila [Gonzalez] de Islas-Sandoval would've been at 2o con 4o, and her granddaughter, Josepha Delgadillo-Martinez de Alarcon, and her husband, Nicolas de Dios [Gonzalez] de Islas-Lavezares, would've been at 3o con 4o, requiring dispensations for both marriages. I don't know if Diego and Petronila required a dispensa (can't find a marriage record), and there is no mention of shared consanguinity in the dispensa for his 2nd marriage to Ysabel de Aguayo (who did share consanguinity with Petronila de Islas), and there is definitely no mention of it on Nicolas' & Josepha's IM. One would think red flags would've been raised, but shared-consanguinity marriages did fly under the radar, from time to time. But at 2nd degree?

Dispensa for Diego Delgadillo & Ysabel de Aguayo:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18553-9?cc=1874591&wc=SSKH-ZNG:171935001,171974101,175821501

IM for Nicolas de Dios de Islas and Josepha Delgadillo:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-24066-13?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-JXW:n929733730

FRANCISCO GONZALEZ MARTINEZ

Francisco Gonzalez Martinez: is it possible that he is a brother of Cristobal Martin Lozano? Is he the Francisco Gonzalez "hermano del dicho Cristobal Lozano" who was padrino with Petrona de Islas, on the baptism record for Leonor Lozano? I know “hermano” was used loosely for “cuñado” in these documents, but this occured to me after seeing the following partida: I descend from Ines de Islas, daughter of Bernardino de Islas and Mariana de Sandoval, and married to Cristobal Mexia; on at least one document, she is listed as "Ynes Martinez Baca": baptism for Bernardino Mexia 25 Jun 1674: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-14833-43?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-N4K:n180819113

This would imply that she was named for an ancestor, i.e., Ynes Martinez Baca y Gonzalez, who we know as the wife of Juan Lozano, and mother of Cristobal Lozano. The obvious source would be Francisco Gonzalez Martinez, who could have taken his mother's surnames? Thoughts?

Saludos, and thanks for bringing up this family group!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola primo,

MARIA DE ISLAS Y MOCTEZUMA

Excellent work. Christopher Cuellar has also found the dispensa of Joseph Diaz de Leon-Gil and Catarina Gonzalez de Islas-Delgadillo but I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. - http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D%C3%ADaz_de_Le%C3%B3n-18

MARIA CONCEPCION DE ISLAS & ELVIRA DE ISLAS

Steven Francisco Hernández López has María de la Concepción de Islas married to Juan Delgadillo Calderón the son of Diego Delgadillo and Isabel de Calderón

I don't think that the Juan Delgadillo that married Elvira Martínez de Alarcón y González de Ruvalcaba is the same Juan Delgadillo that married María de la Concepción de Islas and if not there isn't an issue.

Elvira de Islas and María de la Concepción de Islas were sisters per the following dispensa of Onofre José Herrera & Manuela González- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-48327-39

FRANCISCO GONZALEZ MARTINEZ

I'll look into this more once I have time.

Does anyone have the copies or access to the copies of Jaime Holcombe Isunza's sheets for these families that he submitted to LDS?

​​Hola primos,

I'd like to get an idea of the timelines that these Islas women lived in, let's compare notes. Here's my take:

MARIA CONCEPCION DE ISLA: In my lines, I have Juan Delgadillo, son of Diego Delgadillo and Ysabel Calderon, and married to Maria Concepcion de Islas. I believe this is him, a testigo on the IM for Juan de Estrada and Margarita de Ortega, 17 Mar 1659; he signs his name “Jhoan Delgadillo” and gives his age as “50, poco mas o menos,” left image:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-63010-41?cc=1874591&wc=9LXJ-4WG:171936601,171934502,172571301

That places his birth during the first decade of the 1600’s. Naturally, one could assume that his wife, Maria Concepcion de Islas, was born around the same time.

I have this union with 3 children; from the births and marriages of their children, I have these 3 born between 1629 and 1639:

a. Leonor de Bellocillo, m. Juan Morones
b. Diego Delgadillo, b. 1631, m1. Petronila de Islas, m2 Ysabel de Aguayo (in 1704, gave his age as 69)
c. Juan Delgadillo, m. Elvira Martinez de Alarcon

With that timeline, Juan Delgadillo and Maria Concepcion de Islas would be born between 1600-1610. I’ve found no documentation for her sister, Elvira de Islas, other than the Onofre Herrera dispensa.

MAGDALENA DE LAVEZARES: Her son, Bernardino de Islas, and Mariana de Sandoval were married 21 Apr 1631; when a testigo for Gaspar Lomelin and Maria Medinilla 4 Dec 1678, Bernardino de Islas gave his age as 73, placing his birth at 1605. That places his mother’s birth some time in the 1580’s. Gaspar Lomelin and Maria Medinilla 4 Dec 1678: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-24292-43?cc=1804458&wc=MC7X-1Z9:147337401,147337402,154094601

MARIA DE ISLAS Y MOCTEZUMA: Maria de Yslas y Moctezuma (m. Andres Martin de Sotomayor) If their first son was born in 1620, then she was likely born around 1600.

MARIA DE ISLAS (m. Cristobal Martin Lozano): Their daughter, Juana Martin Lozano married Hernando de Velasco Salinas 01 Apr 1619; if she were age 14, she could have been born in 1605, in which case, Maria de Islas could be born in the late 1580’s.

Thus:

Maria Concepcion de Islas: b. 1600-1610
Elvira de Islas: b ?
Madalena de Lavezares: b. late-1580’s
Maria de Islas y Moctezuma: b. 1600
Maria de Islas Mestiza: b. ?
Maria de Islas (m. Cristobal Lozano): b. 1580’s
Petronila de Islas (su hermana): ca 1600 or before

Does that correspond with what all of you have?

Gracias y Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

PS - Armando - I emailed you the Jaime's letters - did you receive? And David, let me know if you need a copy.

Manny,

I did receive the email. Thank you for providing me with the letters. From what I have looked that it has the same information from the document I linked in my first post of the thread. That document is at https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Distribution%20%28Mary%20Lou%20Montagna%29.doc?dl=0

What I am also hoping to find are the family group sheets that Jaime Holcombe submitted to the LDS. I uploaded some examples to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1gmvyck444nzewr/AABwy6Jqc998ouaZG4_wDatNa?dl=0

These family group sheets have a lot of info on them and some of that info might not be in the letters.

The group sheets can be ordered from LDS but a there have been times I have ordered sheets and the people at LDS can't find them. The sheets don't show up in the searches anymore either or I just don't know how to search for them since site changed several years ago. I think that at the church they can be searched for.

Saludos

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