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By Visitor - Posted on 09 March 2010

Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I encountered when I first started researching.
I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died in 1688.
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I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book, Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas, "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.

I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could be wrong. There is nothing in the index.

Ed

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

Thank you.
I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Armando
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

Thank you again for the info. I had originally seen the claim in doing research on my casillas lines and it all fits in now since these casillas descend from gonzalo.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Armando
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
I finally found what you were referring to -
You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:

> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> encountered when I first started researching.
> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> in 1688.
> ------Original Message------
> From: ed@serros.net
> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>
> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>
> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>
> Ed

I have a suspicion that Gonzalo was born in New Spain
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
>> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
Regards,Daniel
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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
>> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

My data shows san lucar baarameda. Coincidentally, or maybe not, That is also the place where I have been tracking another of our ancestors. That search has brought as many dissenting and disagrEeable comments among descendents as the one we have had here on our jewish connections to los altos. It is actually the same arguement but being warred in spain. Recently found documents found in a san lucar barrameda library that houses papers that have not seen the light of day for centuries show that one of ancestors had a black mother from north africa and a jewish conversa wife. People are disputing this despite the documentation. In spain they are saying that it isn't true aNd are focusing on the researchers politics and alternative lifestyle. But the docmentation is clear. The stories that were made to coverup this family secret did not really make sense since it was known that his first successes were in northen africa. His father came from a prestigious noble spanish family that intermarried repeatedly with the fernandez de hijar, ramirez arellano and other family of alfonso XI.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:51:46
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I have a suspicion that Gonzalo was born in New Spain
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
>> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
Regards,Daniel
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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> Thank you.
> I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Armando
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> I finally found what you were referring to -
> You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
>> encountered when I first started researching.
>> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
>> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
>> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
>> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
>> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
>> in 1688.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: ed@serros.net
>> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
>> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
>> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
>>
>> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
>> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
>> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
>> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
>> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
>> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
>>
>> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
>> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
>> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
>>
>> Ed

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
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>
>
>
> > To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> >> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
> >> Ed
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I agree with you that Toribio is of the fernandez de hijar ramirez de arellano Hurtado de mndoza family. They intermarried repeatedly with each other and the descendents of alfonso XI through enrique the ii, fadrique and tello. I may be leaving out one of the brothers. The intermarrying continued in new spain.
Toribio is often a nickname. I know a jose heriberto that was known as Toribio.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:56:31
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana
Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

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> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> >> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
> >> Ed
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Toribio was married at a time where the catholic church was attempting to stop so much intermarriage between cousins and some people hid their relationship or claimed ignorance in order to marry without having to ask for a dispensation.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:56:31
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana
Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)

I had come to the conclusion Hernandez de Arellano was a combo ofFernandez de Hijar and Ramirez de Arellano, noting that backin the middle ages the H and F were interchangeable. Im a bit puzzledI thought EVERY person that went to the Indies were registered?But Toribio does not show up, another possibility I thought was Toribiowas a criollo not peninsular.
Regards,Daniel

To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:20:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines dela Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
> You beat me to this question. I do not have any additional information. I do recall that it was very clear that the valle de gpe casillas ancestors were related to sor juana ines de la cruz. Pedro being gonzalos brother was the last piece of that puzzle. Now we need to see if we can find a connection between diego ramirez arlellano de santillana and toribio hernandez ramirez arellano de santillana. Their descendents married almost immediately. I believe there is a connection the answer maybe in a certain library in san lucar barrameda. The papers are still being catalogued.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:16:17
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de
> la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
>
>
> Im a bit confused is Pedro Ramirez Santillana a sibling of Gonzalo, I had not previously knewthat Gonzalo had any siblings? How many kids did Diego and Ines have total?
> Regards,Daniel
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> > From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz(JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > Thank you.
> > I do have gonzalo ramirez de santillana arellAno, son of diego ramirez. Santillana arellano and Ines Brenes. I have gonzalo as being born in san lucar barameda, andalucia also
> > Do you have any more info on diego and ines?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Armando
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:00:04
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> > (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >
> > I found an entry in a book that states that her maternal grandparents were
> > from Sanlúcar de Barrameda, Andalucía.
> > http://books.google.com/books?id=8rFnC58v-S8C&lpg=PA66&ots=ML5eH1V18t&dq=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&pg=PA67#v=onepage&q=pedro%20ramirez%20de%20sAntillana&f=false
> > I finally found what you were referring to -
> > You're welcome. And for those of you out there who have ancestry from Los
> > Altos, you can also claim a parentesco with Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz. Her
> > great-grandfather, Diego Ramirez de Santillana-Arellano, is also the
> > ancestor of many, many alteños. Another son of his named Gonzalo settled in
> > Jalostotitlan and got intertwined with the Mendoza lineage establishing the
> > Ramirez de Mendoza lineage.
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/archives/2005Dec/msg00477.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:13 AM, wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I wish I had jotted down sources and other bits of info that I
> >> encountered when I first started researching.
> >> I have a diego vargas machuca married to a maria ramirez de hermosillo in
> >> about 1684 that a daughter named rosA francisco vargas machuca ( died 21jul
> >> 1751). Rosa married diego gonz rubio in 1708.
> >> Sor juanas maternal grandparents I have listed as pedro ramirez de
> >> sAntillana and beatriz ramirez rendon. Isabel was born about 1627 and died
> >> in 1688.
> >> ------Original Message------
> >> From: ed@serros.net
> >> Sender: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> >> ReplyTo: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> >> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz
> >> (JuanaInesAsbajeRamirez)
> >> Sent: Mar 8, 2010 9:51 PM
> >>
> >> I have the same information as Armando courtesy of the Octavio Paz book,
> >> Sor Juana, pg. 64-65. Father of Sor Juana: Pedro Manuel De Asbaje y Vargas,
> >> "a Basque...and nothing else known about him." The father is an enigma and a
> >> source of great speculation by Octavio Paz with respect to the character of
> >> Sor Juana, as I recall. The "criolla" mother: Dona Isabel Ramirez de
> >> Santillana. The origins of Isabel per Paz agree with Armando.
> >>
> >> I don't recall any reference to Los Altos and Sor Juana. I took a quick
> >> look at the Paz book again and I see no references to that area but I could
> >> be wrong. There is nothing in the index.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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