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By ayalarobles - Posted on 17 March 2008

Corrine,

Many of my family members have done dna testing. The Mexican is a mixed lot. Many of my Villarreal cousins have tested and the testing indicates and traditions suggest a jewish heritage. Then there is my mother's maternal grandfther who's gene's were tested cpurtesy of my mother's maternal cousin revealed that my great grandfather's line was celtic. Then there are my Arriola cousin's tests that reaveal them to be Trevino Velasco and that is my maternal grandfather's line that show's them to be semitic but I not sure if they were jews. Then there is my father's line the Arredondos, care of my brother. His test also revealed a semetic heritage which I believe might be Greek. My brother also did a mitochrondial test to reveal an indian heritage.

So you see, we are not just one of anything.

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Juan Marquez : --------------

>
> Corrine there is no doubt there is heavy anecdotal evidence to the existence of
> Sephardic Jews throughout Mexico (most notably in Nuevo Leon of course).
>
> But even in the Jalisco Highlands we can see the physical traits common in the
> Middle East among many people.... including some of my relatives (unibrow, lots
> of body hair, long thin noses, pale skin etc.,)... however, this archetype is
> not unknown among the Celtiberian & Basque populations of Pre-Islam Spain so its
> not definitive in any way. I have also heard many personal stories (including
> one involving a maternal great grandmother) of strange traditions such as:
>
> > A different style of veil
> > The preparation of unusual flat breads
> > Speaking a foreign language
> > Practicing unusual mystic traditions
>
> Of course that isn't definitive either because we also know that Jalisco is home
> to a significant number of people of Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi & Armenian Catholic
> / Orthodox ancestry who began imigrating in the late 19th Century to escape
> violence in the Ottoman empire.
>
> More crudely, my relatives & friends from the joke about Male endowment and
> joking accuse the other of being afflicted by the "Jewish Curse"
>
> But more seriously, I would suggest participating in the National Geographic's
> Genome study to determine if you have uniquely Jewish mitochondrial DNA etc.,
>
>

Thanks Esther... the interesting thing about your relatives DNA results is how much they match the predicted results based on Surname.

Villareal & Trevino are both among THE most Sephardic names in Mexico... particularly those clans of known Sephardic settlements such as Monterrey.

With regards to other ancestry... Celtic & Greek are both maternal roots of Spanish ancestry.

Just like Esther I had as many male lines in my family do the dna and I did the mtdna. My mtdna came back, Native American, specifically Nahua in Mexico. My fathers line, Castanon, came back R1b, West European and that was not a surprise. My mothers paternal line, Gutierrez, came back Haplogroup N. This group is found occacionally in Mexico but for the most part is in Finland, Siberia and Russia. I even had a perfect match with someone who knows they came from Finland. She contacted me and wanted to know how and when we got to Mexico! I told her I could only track them back to 1650 so it was before that.. She said her fathers family came to the states from Finland in 1850. Sometimes the dna brings up more questions than answers and I've learned we can't really be surprised with the diversity of our ancestors who had adventerous spirits and were not afraid to travel, whatever the reason we will never know but I'm for one, certainly grateful for the journey they have
put me on!
Linda in Everett

Juan Marquez wrote:

Thanks Esther... the interesting thing about your relatives DNA results is how much they match the predicted results based on Surname.

Villareal & Trevino are both among THE most Sephardic names in Mexico... particularly those clans of known Sephardic settlements such as Monterrey.

With regards to other ancestry... Celtic & Greek are both maternal roots of Spanish ancestry.

With regards to Haplop Group N... where does your Gutierrez lineage come from? If its Northwestern Mexico... I might think Siberian or Russian sailors hunting for furs... perhaps some genetic admixture that ahem... doesn't follow the official Family Tree.

More intriguingly... perhaps some Viking genes vis-a-vis the speculated voyages from Scandanavia to MesoAmerica centuries prior to Columbus???

Hi Juan, I can trace my Gutierrez line to Chilchota Michoacan in 1625 or so. They went to Jalisco by 1780. Some records say Mestiso and others Espanol for their children.

Gary Felix said there is a Haplogroup subclass N3 found in Sevilla Spain. The thought is they might have been Indio and from the party with the Cortes/Moctezuma line. In the Gary Felix study there are 2 other N DNA but not a match to mine.. I was also told that the Chinese were in Mexico long before the Spanish and the evidence is the Chinese anchors found offshore in Mexico. And then again I'm sure there were many sailers we never heard of who's ships grounded in Mexico giving us genes we can't explain. Within a generation or two of intermarriage with the local band we became native to Mexico. It's all conjecture but sure fun to think about.
Linda in Everett

Juan Marquez wrote:

With regards to Haplop Group N... where does your Gutierrez lineage come from? If its Northwestern Mexico... I might think Siberian or Russian sailors hunting for furs... perhaps some genetic admixture that ahem... doesn't follow the official Family Tree.

More intriguingly... perhaps some Viking genes vis-a-vis the speculated voyages from Scandanavia to MesoAmerica centuries prior to Columbus???

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Hi Juan,

I am very interested in your statement. Do you have any resources that you recommend? I have Treviño ancestors in Matamoros. Does anyone have any info from that area of Mexico?

Jan

Juan Marquez wrote:

Villareal & Trevino are both among THE most Sephardic names in Mexico... particularly those clans of known Sephardic settlements such as Monterrey.

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Tambien es poco comun el tipo de sangre rh negativo
solo se encuentra mas comunmente el origenes Europeos
no en INdoamericanos, por lo que los altos de JAlisco
tienes un grado mucho mayor de personas con tipo de
sangre rh negativo que la media nacional o que en Peru
que solo el porcentaje muy bajo es de este tipo de
sangre, es dificil saber de que origen fueron nuestros
antepasados ya que no hay forma de saber la
nacionalidad de ellos solo los nombres y apehidos que
resultan los mas counes y corrientes de todo Mexico,
pero de algo si estoy seguro es que no somos iguales a
todos los demas estados simplemente basta con vernos y
nos distingimos mucho las personas de los altos de
Jalisco y desendientes a las demas,
--- Erlinda Castanon-Long
wrote:

> Just like Esther I had as many male lines in my
> family do the dna and I did the mtdna. My mtdna
> came back, Native American, specifically Nahua in
> Mexico. My fathers line, Castanon, came back R1b,
> West European and that was not a surprise. My
> mothers paternal line, Gutierrez, came back
> Haplogroup N. This group is found occacionally in
> Mexico but for the most part is in Finland, Siberia
> and Russia. I even had a perfect match with someone
> who knows they came from Finland. She contacted me
> and wanted to know how and when we got to Mexico! I
> told her I could only track them back to 1650 so it
> was before that.. She said her fathers family came
> to the states from Finland in 1850. Sometimes the
> dna brings up more questions than answers and I've
> learned we can't really be surprised with the
> diversity of our ancestors who had adventerous
> spirits and were not afraid to travel, whatever the
> reason we will never know but I'm for one, certainly
> grateful for the journey they have
> put me on!
> Linda in Everett
>
> Juan Marquez wrote:
>
> Thanks Esther... the interesting thing about your
> relatives DNA results is how much they match the
> predicted results based on Surname.
>
> Villareal & Trevino are both among THE most
> Sephardic names in Mexico... particularly those
> clans of known Sephardic settlements such as
> Monterrey.
>
> With regards to other ancestry... Celtic & Greek are
> both maternal roots of Spanish ancestry.

Hi Jan!

I also have Trevino ancestors in Matamoros! Before that they were all
in the Monterrey area. Since this group is for Zacatecas,
Aguascalientes and Jalisco you can e-mail me personally and we can see
if we are related........I would love to compare yours with mine!

Josie Trevino-Trevino

On 3/18/08, Jan Jaeckle wrote:
> Hi Juan,
>
> I am very interested in your statement. Do you have any resources that you recommend? I have Treviño ancestors in Matamoros. Does anyone have any info from that area of Mexico?
>
> Jan

Hi Juanita, what information can I help you with?
Linda in Everett
longsjourney@hotmail.com

juanita delgado wrote:
Hi, Erlinda,
Could you write me to my e-mail address. I read your letter about dna with interest. Thank you.

Juanita G. Delgado

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Just like Esther I had as many male lines in my family do the dna and I did the mtdna. My mtdna came back, Native American, specifically Nahua in Mexico. My fathers line, Castanon, came back R1b, West European and that was not a surprise. My mothers paternal line, Gutierrez, came back Haplogroup N. This group is found occacionally in Mexico but for the most part is in Finland, Siberia and Russia. I even had a perfect match with someone who knows they came from Finland. She contacted me and wanted to know how and when we got to Mexico! I told her I could only track them back to 1650 so it was before that.. She said her fathers family came to the states from Finland in 1850. Sometimes the dna brings up more questions than answers and I've learned we can't really be surprised with the diversity of our ancestors who had adventerous spirits and were not afraid to travel, whatever the reason we will never know but I'm for one, certainly grateful for the journey they have
put me on!
Linda in Everett

Juan Marquez wrote:

Thanks Esther... the interesting thing about your relatives DNA results is how much they match the predicted results based on Surname.

Villareal & Trevino are both among THE most Sephardic names in Mexico... particularly those clans of known Sephardic settlements such as Monterrey.

With regards to other ancestry... Celtic & Greek are both maternal roots of Spanish ancestry.

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