A Geographical Breakthrough!

John,

Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.

Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy my curiosity.

The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his paternal relations.

In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds. To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.

John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance as most of us have done.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Thanks Alicia for that wonderful letter, it is inspiring!

Alicia Carrillo wrote: John,

Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.

Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy my curiosity.

The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his paternal relations.

In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds. To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.

John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance as most of us have done.

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Claro que si! Of course!

john robles escribió: I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos, Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino, municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill
with which the hacendados made wheat flour, so
the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home' so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when you make an exciting find like this??
John

Alicia and John,

I enjoyed reading your messages very much. They brought back those feelings
of elation when I have made a new discovery in my ongoing search for my
ancestors.

I wanted to share a search engine that I sometimes use: http://dogpile.com/
Dogpile uses several search engines to perform its searches (including
Google, Yahoo, MSN). I thought of it when I read about how John switched to
a different search engine and found the answer he had been searching for.

Alicia when I read your story about not finding the birth record for your
father-in-law I remembered having the same problem with my paternal
grandfather's baptismal record. Everyone I had talked to about where he was
born and baptized (including my father and several of my Tias) assured me my
grandfather had been baptized in Ixtlahuacan del Rio. I found his siblings
baptismal records on the microfilm, but not my grandfather's. I take prints
on direct line ancestors and write down the data on collateral lines and go
through every film slowly, so I knew I hadn't missed it. When I got through
the entire roll of film where he should've been found something clicked in
my mind and told me to order the film for Guadalajara. Since it's a big
city, there are several churches there, but my intuition told me to check a
specific parrish. With nothing more than a hunch, I went through the film
and found his baptismal record there! My father was incredulous when I told
him where I had found it, but seeing the record in print convinced him. To
this day, I don't know what made me so sure I would find my grandfather's
record on the Guadalajara film, but I was not the least bit surprised when I
found it on that film.

Maria

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> John,
>
> Thank you for sharing that breakthrough!! I feel very happy for you and
> yes we have all been there. It begins with a small whisper somewhere in our
> subconcious and before we know it we start to put a voice to that small
> whisper that asks many questions and has few answers. We begin putting
> together the stories and legends we've heard from our relatives.
>
> Some of us feel it as a hunger to know where we came from and why are we
> here. In my case I was born in Mexico and was brought to the US at 2 years
> of age as an undocumented alien as some would now call us. As relatives
> would arrive my parents would say this is your tio or tia....Oooh so many
> tias and tios that I would ask why or how is it my aunt or uncle. Some were
> clearly aunts and uncles but most I could not see the connection and was
> told, "No seas tan preguntona" "Don't be so nosy" as if that would satisfy
> my curiosity.
>
> The years went by, I married a third cousin that I did not know was my
> cousin. We had our children, they married anglos and I felt a sense of loss
> and detachment from my culture. Something kept pulling me back to my
> ancestors and I answered the call. Mostly I wanted to know something about
> my father-in-law's family as my husband never knew anything about his
> paternal relations.
>
> In January of 2004 I announced to my family that I was gifting myself a
> trip to Salt Lake as a birthday gift, to begin my genealogical research in
> earnest. When In Salt Lake, I found the birth record of my father-in-law's
> brother, Julian Carrillo Jauregui. I know the earth stopped spinning for a
> fraction of a second in jubilation for this the first of many great finds.
> To date I still have not found a birth or baptism record for my
> father-in-law Antonio Carrillo Jauregui who was believed to have been born
> around 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. This has not dampened my spirit, on
> the contrary, it's what keeps me going. It's like a drug, each find compells
> you to keep digging and sends you off into new areas of research.
>
> John Robles, I wish you continued success in your research and know that
> this is just the first of many breakthroughs. Now you can do the happy dance
> as most of us have done.
>
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
> San Jose, Calif
>
>
>
> I had to post this and share it with you all because I am so thrilled! No
> one had been able to find any information on the Hacienda de Los Campos,
> Aguascalientes where my grandmother was born. I searched and searched under
> all configurations, and FINALLY when switching from Yahoo's engine to
> Google's, I found an oral history narrated by an elderly man from El Molino,
> municipality of Asientos, Aguascalientes. In his narrative he tells how his
> pueblo of El Molino was once part of La Hacienda De Los Campos! He said that
> the Hacienda once had huge holdings of land in a place in the northeast that
> was disputed by three states but which became part of Aguascalientes
> (Asientos). He said that in the middle of the century there was muich rain
> which eventually destroyed the hacienda (or the lands - my Spanish
> translation is so-so on this because he seems to ranmble a bit) and one of
> the vestiges that was left was the water powered mill with which the
> hacendados made wheat flour, so
> the pueblo became known as El Molino. The oterh payoff from this is that
> while looking at the names of haciendas in Asientos, I found Ojo de Agua de
> Rosales, my grandfather's birthplace! This makes Asientos my 'family home'
> so to speak. Another breakthrough...do you all feel as elated as I do when
> you make an exciting find like this??
> John

To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2 wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

John and Pat,
Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records that only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells me to go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead sleep because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the records, sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned to this group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the IGI in that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name of the person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights later I awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth was said to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't do this work alone...
Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is picked to remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those of us in this group...

Linda C.

john robles wrote:
Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2
wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

Linda,

You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt at the
FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that happen to me
and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our ancestors.......that
"they" do "select" someone to continue searching for "them"......believe me,
I certainly felt better after it was explained to me! I have had these
"things" happen to me for several years and for a while I thought I was
"losing it" because I was so obsessed with my genealogy! I never told
anyone about all this...... except for one cousin who was also into
genealogy because I knew he would understand......then I read the books by
Henry Z. Jones, "Psychic Roots" and "More Psychic Roots" and I now
understand that this does happen to other people!

It is indeed a wonderful feeling to know that our ancestors are helping us
by "opening doors".......and only people who do genealogy will understand
this feeling!

Thanks Linda for reminding me of how great I feel when this happens!

Josie in San Antonio

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Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

John and Pat,
Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding
ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records that
only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells me to
go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead sleep
because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the records,
sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned to this
group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the IGI in
that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San
Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name of the
person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights later I
awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the
computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth was said
to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't do
this work alone...
Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is picked to
remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those of us
in this group...

Linda C.

john robles wrote:
Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual essence of
our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy
knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I hear them
whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all very
romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
John Robles

papagaia2
wrote:
To All That Share...
Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your ancestors. I
too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling of
being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or what
made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign that
my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
seek'. Many thanks to all...
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I
loved them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy
conference in Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of
things there that day but didn't have enough money to buy his two
books. He told me to go ahead and take them and send him the money!
Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he
sent it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and
returned it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by
ancestors to "bring them back to life" for future generations. :)
On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Linda,
>
> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
> at the
> FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that happen
> to me
> and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
> ancestors.......that
> "they" do "select" someone to continue searching for
> "them"......believe me,
> I certainly felt better after it was explained to me! I have had these
> "things" happen to me for several years and for a while I thought I was
> "losing it" because I was so obsessed with my genealogy! I never told
> anyone about all this...... except for one cousin who was also into
> genealogy because I knew he would understand......then I read the
> books by
> Henry Z. Jones, "Psychic Roots" and "More Psychic Roots" and I now
> understand that this does happen to other people!
>
> It is indeed a wonderful feeling to know that our ancestors are
> helping us
> by "opening doors".......and only people who do genealogy will
> understand
> this feeling!
>
> Thanks Linda for reminding me of how great I feel when this happens!
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
> [mailto:general-bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of Erlinda
> Castanon-Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!
>
> John and Pat,
> Only people who do genealogy would understand that feeling of finding
> ancestors under the guidance of the "Muse's." I've collected records
> that
> only had a name in common to have that whisper in my heart that tells
> me to
> go back and review what I already have. I even woke out of a dead
> sleep
> because I heard a name in my head and had to get up and check the
> records,
> sure enough it opened the door I was looking for.. I once mentioned
> to this
> group that I'd found records from Jalisco that were incorrect on the
> IGI in
> that they read they were born in the Carribean when in fact it was San
> Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco.. I couldn't remember the name
> of the
> person who's record said that since it wasn't my family.. 2 nights
> later I
> awoke to the name Osceguera in my head.. I got up and put it in the
> computer, and found it was the grandmother of the child who's birth
> was said
> to be in the Carribean. It might be just a fluke but I think we don't
> do
> this work alone...
> Somosprimos had an unknown quote that each generation someone is
> picked to
> remember the ancestors, to paraphrase it... this generation its those
> of us
> in this group...
>
> Linda C.
>
> john robles wrote:
> Nice note...I like to think that on some level, the spiritual
> essence of
> our ancestors are aware that we are trying to find them and are happy
> knowing that they are not forgotten. Sometimes I like to imagine I
> hear them
> whispering a word, a clue to lead me to the next find...this is all
> very
> romanticized I am sure but it makes me feel good!!
> John Robles
>
> papagaia2
> wrote:
> To All That Share...
> Thank you for sharing your 'touching,' stories of finding your
> ancestors. I
> too had a very similiar situation, on two occasions... it's a feeling
> of
> being given a 'special gift.' I no longer try to explain the why or
> what
> made it happen, but simply accept these remarkable 'finds,' as a sign
> that
> my ancestors are guiding my way, though some continue to play 'hide and
> seek'. Many thanks to all...
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>

Marge......I may also have the pleasure of meeting Henry Z. Jones in
November here in San Antonio! I just found out he will be the keynote
speaker at a genealogy conference to be held here on Nov. 4th and I am
planning on going......I am looking forward to hearing him speak and hope he
might have written a new book.....Isn't it great to be one of the
"chosen"........? Wish me luck on finding a "special" ancestor that keeps
hiding from me somewhere in Zacatecas.....I will be in SLC next week and
plan to focus on finding him! He keeps slipping through my fingertips!
:-)

Josie in San Antonio

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[mailto:general-bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of M. Vallazza
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 11:49 AM
To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Geographical Breakthrough!

I'd read his books some years ago and kept rereading them because I loved
them. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Jones at a genealogy conference in
Hutchinson, Kansas, in 2005. I had bought a lot of things there that day
but didn't have enough money to buy his two books. He told me to go ahead
and take them and send him the money!
Wasn't that kind of him? I sent him a check within the week...then he sent
it back because I forgot to sign it! I promptly signed and returned
it...how kind of him. Marge, who has been "chosen" by ancestors to "bring
them back to life" for future generations. :) On Sep 30, 2006, at 2:06 PM,
Josie T. Trevino wrote:

> Linda,
>
> You have expressed my feelings exactly! I mentioned to Lymann Platt
> at the FHC in Salt Lake City once about the "dreams and events" that
> happen to me and he told me that it is all directly tied in to our
> ancestors.......that "they" do "select" someone to continue searching
> for "them"......