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By Pat Silva Corbera - Posted on 28 June 2006

I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Maria,

I neglected to mention that I will order Film # 0443906," informacion matrimonial," for the 4 Feb 1877 marriage. Hopefully that marriage will appear on that film supplying additional information to confirm my extending of this line. The film that I actually viewed (#0443974) was for "matrimonios," only, and contained very little information. Pat

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Maria,
Here's the reference to Maria Seberiana Mora's birth place.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 Caribbean Islands Search Results | Download | Pedigree
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MARIA SEBERIANA MORA Female Family
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Event(s): Birth: , Guadeloupe, Caribbean Christening: Death: Burial:
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Parents: Father: NICANOR MORA Family Mother: JOSEFA DE ROBLES
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Marriages: Spouse: JOSE VICTORIO DE LA TRINIDAD SALAMANCA Family Marriage: 07 OCT 1840 Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico Husband Age at Marriage: 29 Wife Age at Marriage: 18
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Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M601216 1835 - 1875 1094876 Film NONE Sheet: 00

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Maria,

I neglected to mention that I will order Film # 0443906," informacion matrimonial," for the 4 Feb 1877 marriage. Hopefully that marriage will appear on that film supplying additional information to confirm my extending of this line. The film that I actually viewed (#0443974) was for "matrimonios," only, and contained very little information. Pat

Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Pat, just wanted to share that I've found some places in Jalisco listed in the Caribbean too. They were from San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco but the transcriber for the history center sent them to the Carribbean. They were laborers so I don't really think they had the time or money to go Island hopping. When I checked online I found all the baptisms for them for San Vicente were listed as Caribbean and not Jalisco.. I have to admit, I did find it exciting to think they had been born on an Island and baptized in Tamazula 5 days later! .
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

I found it pretty exciting too.... hoping that it was just one stop closer to a Spain connection. With Arturo's computer smarts, and Alicia perseverance in finding Juanacatic, I now know that Juanacatic and Guadalupe were not Caribbean towns, where Tino's ancestors were baptized.
The Cubas' publication is a fountain of information. Pat

longsjourney wrote:

Pat, just wanted to share that I've found some places in Jalisco listed in the Caribbean too. They were from San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco but the transcriber for the history center sent them to the Carribbean. They were laborers so I don't really think they had the time or money to go Island hopping. When I checked online I found all the baptisms for them for San Vicente were listed as Caribbean and not Jalisco.. I have to admit, I did find it exciting to think they had been born on an Island and baptized in Tamazula 5 days later! .
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

Hola. Juanacatic era un pueblito que antes ocupaba la cabecera municipal de El Plateado de Joaquín Amaro, en el estado de Zacatecas. Los Salamanca de esta zona (Tabasco, Villanueva, El Plateado, Momax... Básicamente el cañón de Juchipila/Tlaltenango) descienden de José Manuel de Salamanca y María Fernanda Salcedo.

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