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Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes (married to Juana de Avila Carlos de Godoy)

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By superhorrible - Posted on 21 February 2021

Hello,
I'm researching the line of Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes (married to Juana de Avila). I found some information online that mentions that his parents are Juan de LLanos y Valdes and Maria de Comparan from Michoacan. I located some children from this couple and the couple's marriage in 1642 in Morelia Michoacan.
I also know that there is another Juan Joseph llanos y valdes married to Mariana Ramos and Juana Silva who was living in Jerez around 1680's, But I know that he is not my guy.

Dos anyone have any information regarding Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes from Michoacan(?) who was living maybe in Colotlan (married to Juana de Avila)? I need a source to link him to the family of Michoacan.

Any information would be greatly appreciated

saludos

sus leniski

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I can't believe I did not put the source record but I have this:
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marriage dispensation requested from la sagrada mitra 23 Jan 1833 in Tepetongo, Zac
Jose Roman Carlos single from lo de Salas living in la Estancia, Tep. since childhood age 25
parents: Don Jose Gregorio Carlos deceased and Dona Maria Gertrudis Godin
with Dona Maria Gertrudis Gonsales from Juanchorry now living in Estancia age 19
widow of Don Jose Dario Valdes 4 years buried in Tepetongo
parents: Don Jose Laurencio Gonsales and Dona Maria Ricarda Lespro both living
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramons
J. Felipe Valdes.........Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes......Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..................J. Roman Carlos.. 4th

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I can't believe I did not put the source record but I have this:
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marriage dispensation requested from la sagrada mitra 23 Jan 1833 in Tepetongo, Zac
Jose Roman Carlos single from lo de Salas living in la Estancia, Tep. since childhood age 25
parents: Don Jose Gregorio Carlos deceased and Dona Maria Gertrudis Godin
with Dona Maria Gertrudis Gonsales from Juanchorry now living in Estancia age 19
widow of Don Jose Dario Valdes 4 years buried in Tepetongo
parents: Don Jose Laurencio Gonsales and Dona Maria Ricarda Lespro both living
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramos
J. Felipe Valdes.........Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes......Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..........J. Roman Carlos.. 4th

Thank you for the info:

very important, does the dispensation says JUANA DE AVILA or JUANA DE SILVA??
I know there are 2 different sets of Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes

1. Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes, married to Marcela Ramos and Juana de Silva.
Juana de silva's mom is Antonia de Silva. The parents of "this" juan Joseph de llanos y Valdes are Felipe de LLanos y Valdes and Angela de Aguilera. He was born in Madrid

2. Juan Joseph de llanos y Valdes married to Juana de Avila Carlos de Godoy. The parents of Juana de Avila are Thomas de Avila Cabral and Catalina Carlos de Godoy. "This" juan joseph, his parents are Juan Joseph de llanos y Valdes and Maria de Comparan (don't have a source for this information), but likely he was born in Morelia Michoacan

For the longest time I thought there was just one Juan Joseph de Llanos y Valdes living in the Jerez area, because both ,after all, were married to "juana". Now I'm trying to organized both lines.

Thank you so much for the information
saludos desde seattle

sus leniski

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marriage 13 June 1685 in Jerez, Zac
Juan Joseph Llanos y Baldes living in Colotlan Huejucar, Jalisco from Madrid Spain
parents: Phelipe Llanos y Baldes and Dona Angela de Agilera
with Marcela Ramos
mother: Juana Silva
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death 10 May 1716 in Jerez, Zac
Capitan Juan Joseph Llanos y Valdez Espanol
wife: Marcela Ramos
source: 440986 burials
page 92 Familysearch online
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk.....Juan Jph Llanos y Valdes
Felipe Valdes.......................Catarina Valdes..1st degree
Ysabel Valdes .....................Salvador de la Torre 2nd
George Felix de Arellano.. Ma. Josefa de la Torre ..3rd
Ma. Antonia Felix de Arellano..Juan Nepomuceno Salinas.4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ...Juan Joseph Llanos y Valdes
D. Catarina Valdes..................D. Felipe Valdes..1st
D. Salvador de la Torre..........D. Rita Valdes..2nd
D. Ma. Josefa de la Torre......D. Magdalena Miranda..3rd
D. Domingo Vicente Salinas. D. Maria Josefa Carrillo. 4th
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk..D. Juan Joseph Valdes and D. Juana de Avila
D. Felipe Valdes...............D. Ynes Valdes...1st degree
D.Rita Valdes....................D. Domingo Acevedo...2nd
D. Ana Maria Ramires....D. Juana Rosalia Acevedo..3rd
D. Fran. Xavier Roman....D. Yldefonsa Felix ..4th degree
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marriage dispensation 3rd degree igual
Trunk..Juan Joseph Baldes and Juana de Avila
Salvador Baldes.....Felipe Baldes.....1st degree
Antonio Baldes.......Juan Jph Baldes..2nd degree
Fernando Baldes....Antonia Baldes....3rd degree
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Trunk...Juan Joseph Llanos y Valdes
D. Catarina Valdes..................D. Felipe Valdes..1st
D. Salvador de la Torre...........D. Rita Valdes..2nd degree
D. Ma. Josefa de la Torre.......D. Magdalena Miranda..3rd
D. Domingo Vicente Salinas. D. Maria Josefa Carrillo.4
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marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramons
J. Felipe Valdes................Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes..........Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..................J. Roman Carlos.. 4th
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dispensation 3rd degree in 4th degree
Trunk.. Juan (Llanos) Valdes
Felipe Valdes.................Ynes Valdes.. siblings 1s
Ysabel Valdes................Maria Acevedo.. 2nd
George Felix Arellano…Tomas Albares Ron... 3rd
........................................Ma. Jesus Albares Ron.. 4th

marriage dispensation 3rd degree
Trunk.. Don Juan (Llanos) Valdes
Don Felipe Valdes.......Antonia Valdes.. 1st degree
Dona Ysabel Valdes...Juan Carlos... 2nd degree
Don Rafael Felis..........Don Gregorio Carlos... 3rd degree
Gertrudis Codina.. bride.... widower
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marriage dispensation 4th degree
Trunk.. Don Juan Valdes and Dona Juana de Avila
Don Felipe Valdes.........Don Salvador Valdes.. 1st degree
Don Ysidro Valdes........Don J. Antonio Valdes.. 2nd degree
Don Ygnacio Valdes.....Don Estevan Valdes.. 3rd degree
Dona Barbara Valdes...Don Fermin Valdes.. 4th degree
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Hello Sus,

The family in Michoacan was formed by Juan (not Juan Jose) de Llanos y Valdes, born in Asturias and secretary to the bishop of Valladolid. He married Maria de Comparan (not "de la Concepcion"), and his three known male children (Juan, Jose and Marcos) were priests who left no descendants. So far no family relationship connects these Llanos y Valdes with captain Juan Jose de LLanos y Valdes who was protector of the frontiers of San Luis de Colotlan, lived in Jerez and left numerous descendants there.

Juan Jose de Llanos y Valdes, the captain, is supposed to have been born in Asturias (in certain information provided by one of his grandchildren, he -or she, I don't recall right now- refers that his/her father (son of captain Juan Jose) was born in Asturias. Therefore I assume that his first marriage to Juana de Silva, or Ávila, took place in Asturias. Certainly, no information on Juana de Avila, or Silva, has been found in the Jerez region. His second marriage, to Marcela Ramos de Arreola, took place in Huejucar in 1685.

Regards,
Hector

Could you please provide the source for Felipe de Llanos y Valdes and Angela de Aguilera, that you mention as parents of Juan Jose de Llanos y Valdes, as well as Madrid as his birthplace?

Thank you very much!
Hector

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see if you can open this link. I have the record but can't seem to post it here and don't have the source either... this gives both or all 3 wives, the record confuses me..

Hello,
Thank you for all the information.
This is what I have. I have 2 Juan Joseph de LLanos y Valdes living around Jerez.

1. Juan Joseph de LLanos y Valdes (son of Felipe de Llanos y Valdes and Angela de Aguilera) Born in 1652. He married Juana de Silva (dau. of Antonia de Silva) and second marriage with Marcela Ramos. This relationship was explain with the marriage between juan joseph and marcela (the second wife)

2. Juan Joseph de LLanos y Valdes (unknown parents) married to Juana de Avila Carlos de Godoy (dau. of Thomas de Avila and Catalina Carlos de Godoy)

According with the information that I have Juana de Avila and Juana de Silva are not the same person. And now we can eliminate the llanos y valdes family from michoacan with the 3 priest sons (thank you for the info).
I agreed this is quite confusing...

saludos

sus

Please can you give me the source for this dispensa???:

marriage dispensation 4th degree igual
Trunk ..Jose Valdes (Juan Jose Llanos y Valdes and both wives
mother Juana de Avila... mother Marcela Ramons
J. Felipe Valdes................Ma. Antonia Valdes.. half sisters 1st
J. Bonifacio Valdes..........Juan Jose Carlos.. 2nd
Ma. Guadalupe Valdes.....J. Gregorio Carlos.. 3rd
J. Dario Valdes..................J. Roman Carlos.. 4th

Who do you have the parents for Juana de Avila and Juana de Silva??

sus

I just read again that you don't have the source for the dispensa, sorry. I'm going to try to find it. I think maybe something was reported wrong in the dispensa. Don't know.

Who do you have for parents for the 2 Juana's ??

saludos again

sus

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