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By HERJOE59 - Posted on 19 June 2020

My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

I have a list for "grupos y lenguas de indigenas" of Nueva Galicia for 1525 to 1621. The tribe listed then for Xalisco was "tecozquin" but there were so many others later on. Our DNA simply gives us "indigenous" and a general area. There really is no way to pinpoint a tribe yet to the DNA. I am haplogroup C - Native American, Pre-columbian. My mother was from the Pueblo tribes of New Mexico (Piro-Manso-Tiwa) and the language was Uto-Aztecan

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching type of Indians prevalent in Encarnacion de Diaz

My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

My dad’s mother’s indigenous Haplogroup was A. I KNOW for a fact we descend from (1) Moctezuma, (2) Miguel Caldera’s indigenous mother, (3) and other anonymous indigenous ancestors from Zacatecas and Chihuahua. I do wish I knew who the anonymous ones were.

> On Jun 20, 2020, at 19:22, Emilie Garcia wrote:
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> I have a list for "grupos y lenguas de indigenas" of Nueva Galicia for 1525 to 1621. The tribe listed then for Xalisco was "tecozquin" but there were so many others later on. Our DNA simply gives us "indigenous" and a general area. There really is no way to pinpoint a tribe yet to the DNA. I am haplogroup C - Native American, Pre-columbian. My mother was from the Pueblo tribes of New Mexico (Piro-Manso-Tiwa) and the language was Uto-Aztecan
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> From: Research on behalf of herjoe59
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> My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

Can you please send me a copy of that list or let me know where I can find it? Thanks! Happy Anniversary!!!!

> On Jun 20, 2020, at 19:22, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
> I have a list for "grupos y lenguas de indigenas" of Nueva Galicia for 1525 to 1621. The tribe listed then for Xalisco was "tecozquin" but there were so many others later on. Our DNA simply gives us "indigenous" and a general area. There really is no way to pinpoint a tribe yet to the DNA. I am haplogroup C - Native American, Pre-columbian. My mother was from the Pueblo tribes of New Mexico (Piro-Manso-Tiwa) and the language was Uto-Aztecan
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> From: Research on behalf of herjoe59
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 1:59 PM
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching type of Indians prevalent in Encarnacion de Diaz
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> My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

I will have to look for it in my files and send it to you.

Emilile

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Can you please send me a copy of that list or let me know where I can find it? Thanks! Happy Anniversary!!!!

> On Jun 20, 2020, at 19:22, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
> I have a list for "grupos y lenguas de indigenas" of Nueva Galicia for 1525 to 1621. The tribe listed then for Xalisco was "tecozquin" but there were so many others later on. Our DNA simply gives us "indigenous" and a general area. There really is no way to pinpoint a tribe yet to the DNA. I am haplogroup C - Native American, Pre-columbian. My mother was from the Pueblo tribes of New Mexico (Piro-Manso-Tiwa) and the language was Uto-Aztecan
>
> ________________________________
> From: Research on behalf of herjoe59
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 1:59 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching type of Indians prevalent in Encarnacion de Diaz
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> My family came from encarnacion de diaz area in Jalisco Mexico and was wandering what tribe of Indians were prevalent in that area around 1700 time frameSent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.

In our family, the mitochondrial haplogroup is D1. The most recent locations were Colotlan and Tlaltenango, moving back and forth. The earliest record we have on the mtDNA line is a woman born c 1655 whose daughters were born 1693 and c1684, with the 1693 birth at Tlaltenango.

I searched -- still do since more studies are coming out -- on the web and found a recent anthropological study in which they tested people who had all four of their grandparents considered to be from the same indigenous population. Comparing the specific mtDNA mutations of our flavor of D1 to the mutation network in the study, ours match those of people considered now to be Nahua.

I take the anthropological study's DNA results, specific and precise as they are, as needing more extensive DNA testing to verify or modify them. But the correspondence of our mutations with those of the people they tested and considered to be Nahua was clearly a match.

The maps of pre-Columbian regions of indigenous people place the Nahua a fair distance southeast of the Colotlan-Tlaltenango area, so that this particular line of the ancestors of our D1 would have had to have migrated northwest.

The lesson seems to be that location in 1700 is not necessarily an indicator of original location or of which original people included that branch of your family.

Hopefully, other anthropological studies of Y-DNA haplogroups can also add to this. But from what I have seen, the great majority of Y-DNA haplogroups of kits in our family have origins in Spain and not in indigenous populations in Mexico.

Hello,
I have not been lucky with records for indigenous direct ancestors however I was able to trace my Orozco line from Tlaltenango to Teocaltiche 1670. In the record, it states my ancestor spoke in his language of Otomi. I found this interesting and it confirms that many native groups were displaced or migrated to other regions of mexico. This was both exciting and sad. I learned that without proof i really cant attribute native ancestors to local tribes.
Maven

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