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By M_Sagrario.Belt... - Posted on 15 June 2019

Hi, I'm Mayra and I've only recently (about a month or so) started doing genealogy research. I've found this fascinating and I've really enjoyed discovering my family's history. My mom sometimes jokes about how I'm finding secrets they thought would never be found. So far, my researched has focused on my mother's side of the family. It seems that a lot of distant relatives are working on it so our research has crossed and a lot of information is already easily accessible on familysearch.com. However, I would like to build my fathers side too.

On my father's side, I had to start from scratch but I've make a lot of progress. I found most of the information I needed through research on ancestry.com. However it seems I have come to a brick wall. My mom always told me they descended from a tribe native to that region of Jalisco. I'm not sure if that is going to make it more difficult to find what I'm looking for since I'm not sure how well documented that would be.

On my mother's side I'm still interested in finding more on the Alvarez line leading overseas. I've already found that the Munguia line (my great grandmother [on my grandfather's side] maternal side) leads to Italy. I'm working on my maternal grandmothers line as well. I've come to a dead end there too. It seems there were some last name changes and that may prove to cause some difficulty in my research.

Paternal Family Line: Beltran

1. Victor Santiago Beltran Aguilar, son of Rosalio Beltran(1910-1979) and Guadalupe Aguilar (1913 -??). They were married in Tapalpa, Jalisco in 1929. I'm assuming they were both born in Tapalpa and then moved to Ciudad Guzman after their marriage.

2. Rosalio Beltran Cardenas, son of Jose Beltran and Paula Cardenas. I have been unable to find anything past them on that line.

Paternal line: Garcia

1. Higineo Garcia (1892 - 1967), son of Nicomedes Garcia and Justa Baltazar. He was born in Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco. His wife Juana Garcia (1894-1960).

2. Nicomedes Garcia (1857 - ??), son of Jorge Garcia and Sebastiana Garcia. I don't know why, but I feel like this side would lead to the tribe my mom mentioned.

I have more research on some of the other branches but this is where some of my walls are currently found and where I would like to expand.

I've done a lot of work on my mother's side of the family, but I have been unable to trace the Alvarez line past the late 1700s. For some odd reason there was a last name change and some ended up using Arreguin while others used Alvarez. I'm not quite sure which was the original.

Maternal line: Alvarez

Santos Alvarez (born around 1770-1817) married Maria Arias. He also had another wife named Angela Torres (born around 1775). I'm not sure if he was indeed married to both, if he became widowed or what happened. His death record does mention Angela Torres as widow. I have not found marriage records. I'd really like to expand on this side.

1. Santos Alvarez (or Arreguin) and Maria Arias had Joaquin Alvarez (or Arreguin) Arias(1790), Manuel Alvarez (or Arreguin) Arias (1804-1880), and Ramon Alvarez (or Arreguin) Arias.

2. Santos Alvarez (or Arreguin) and Angela Torres had Francisco Alvarez (or Arreguin) Torres (1805-1887) and Maria Dolores Alvarez (or Arreguin) Torres (1810-1876).

I've worked on my maternal grandmothers side as well, but I'll post those on my archive page linked below. Thanks for reading and I look forward to seeing if any of you can help point me in the right direction.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/BeltranAlvarez

Welcome!
I am currently working on my cousins lines in Techaluta, but she has relatives in Tapalpa so I took a look at your people:2. Rosalio Beltran Cardenas, son of Jose Beltran and Paula Cardenas. I looked up the IM (Informacion Matrimonal) and was able to take your line a few generations back. I checked each child who had a birthdate and found Jose Beltran is Jose Ramon Beltran and Paula is Paula. HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL

Simona

Welcome Mayra,

José. Ramon beltran Is the Son of Esteban Beltran and Mariana Cordova

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRDC-T?i=611&cc=1874591

Paula Cardenas is the daughter of Jose Adrian Cardenas and Manuela Bernabe

Esteban Beltran is the son of Florencio Beltran and Dionicia Huerta ( I wonder if this couple is the same couple known as Florencio Beltran and Dionicia Rodriguez)

Mariana Cordova is the daughter of Severo Cordova and María Fernanda Mundo.

Severo Cordova is the son of Bernardino Cordova and Estefana Lopez

María Fernanda Mundo is the daughter of Jose Raymundo Mundo and Buenaventura (Ventura) Carillo

Jose Ramon Beltran
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979
Name: Jose Ramon Beltran
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 04 Sep 1881
Event Place: San Gabriel, Venustiano Carranza, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Estevan Beltran
Mother's Name: María Cordova

José Adrian Cardenas is the son of Donaciano Cardenas and María Guillerma Pinto

María Manuela is the daughter of Anselmo Bernabe and Petra Lopez

Donaciano Cardenas is the son of Jose Cardenas and María Hernandez.

María Guillermina is the daughter of Juan Pinto and Siberia

Manuela Bernabe Lopez
Gender Female
Christening Date 07 Jun 1861
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Anselmo Bernabe
Mother's Name Petra Lopez
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV9Z-D9F : 10 February 2018), Anselmo Bernabe in entry for Manuela Bernabe Lopez, 07 Jun 1861; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,951.

Adrian Cardenas
Spouse's Name Manuela Bernabe
Event Date 29 Apr 1884
Event Place Sayula,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCX5-4NG : 10 February 2018), Adrian Cardenas and Manuela Bernabe, 29 Apr 1884; citing Sayula,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,991

Donaciano Cardenas
Spouse's Name Maria Guillerma Pinto
Event Date 02 Jun 1856
Event Place Sayula,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCXP-7XT : 10 February 2018), Donaciano Cardenas and Maria Guillerma Pinto, 02 Jun 1856; citing Sayula,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,989

Happy Fathers Day
Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

Welcome to the group Mayra!

You'll find lots of helpful people on here, we are all passionate about genealogy. We are related thru your Méndez de Torres line--you'll find a handful of people also sharing this link on here.

Your ancestor Francisco Xavier Méndez de Torres y Ramírez de Esqueda, married to Josefa de Verduzco y Cuevas on 25 Jun 1725 in Tlazazalca, was a first cousin to my 5th great grandmother, Juana Teresa Méndez de Torres y Méndez de Torres, Salceda-Andrade, baptized on 28 Feb 1724 in Zamora.

Francisco & Josefa's marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-9G98-J?i=86&wc=3N1M-MNL%3A179360701%2C178153802%2C180552201&cc=1883388&cat=160239

Because many families in Tamazula originated in Michoacán and to respect the intention of this group studying Nueva Galicia, please email me at dmendezcamino@gmail.com. I 'd love to discuss and share anything I have that may help you!

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Mayra, bienvenida al grupo, I hope you find it as useful as I have. There are great people here that are so helpful too :)

Cheers

Dear Mayra
The “tribe native to that region of Jalisco” ancestry that your family spoke about may come from Maria Guillerma Pinto. She is often found in records without her surname and “Coyota” written after Guillermina. Many genealogists mistakenly think Coyota is her surname.

Rick A Ricci

Thank you! I did notice that in one of the records but I wasnt sure what it meant. Was that a term they used for Natives? I also found her as Gullermina Nila on a different document, but I later found that to be her mother's last name.

It is an obsolete term used to identify “a person of mixed Native American and mestizo descent.”

Rick A. Ricci

Myra, this is a link to some information on the caste system in Mexico on wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

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