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By dserna1 - Posted on 28 March 2017

Hello Primos/Saludos Primos!

My name is Daniel Serna Valencia. I live out in California. On my mother's, our roots run deep into Jalisco.Here are the towns and surnames I'm researching:

Valencia - Ameca, Acatlan de Juarez, Jocotepec, Teocuitatlan de Corona, Hacienda de Huejotitan (Jocotepec), Sahuayo, Cotija
Alcaraz/Oceguera/Flores de Estrada/Macias-Valadez - Poncitlan,, La Barca, Ocotlan, Jiquilpan, Sahuayo, Ixtlan, Hacienda de la Palma, Cotija
Mercado - Cuquio, Yahualica, Fresnillo
Ponce/Güitron - Talpa, Tenamaxtlan, Guachinango, Mascota, Hacienda de San Cristobal (Tenamaxtlan)
Aguirre/Navarette/de las Casas/de la Dueña - Real de San Sebastián, Hostotipaquillo, Real de la Resurrecion
Curiel - Talpa, Cuale, Mascota
Portillo - Guachinango, Mixtlan

On my wife's side I'm tracing the following:

de la Cueva/ Gutierrez/ Castañeda/ Coria/Ochoa-Garibai/ Jimenez - Tamazula, Zamora, Jiquilpan, Tlazazalca

If you share any of those last names and in the towns I mentioned, please let me know. I've made good progress on my Valencia and Alcaraz/Oceguera lines that I could discuss.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Wow, that certainly takes my wife quite a few generations on that branch as well! Very exciting to say the least! Thank You.

I will definitely read up on Juan Merlo "el Bravo"!

While we're on the topic, I recently discovered that my wife and I share ancestors and thus the lineage you pointed out:

Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo Nunez de Sotomayor
Luisa Hurtado de Mendoza and Diego de Zuniga y Villasirga
Diego de Zuniga y Mendoza and Maria Cathalina
Juana de Zuniga (hija natural) and Marcos de Navarette
Francisco Ramon de Navarette and Cathalina de Aguirre
Juana Maria Navarette and Luis Ponce
Jose Eustaquio Ponce and Maria Agustina Rosa Padilla
Jose Manuel Ygnacio Ponce and Maria del Carmen Guzman
Jose Maria Rafael Ponce and Maria del Carmen Montes
Jose Urbano Rafael Ponce and Florentina Guitron
Honorato Ponce and Lorenza Munoz
Miguel Ponce and Teofila Alonso
Feliciano Ponce and Maria del Carmen Portillo
My maternal grandparents
My parents
Myself

One other tidbit. My wife's family has a second connection to the Coria-Peralta and Villaseñor via this line:

Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
Maria Teresa de Coria y Villasenor & Carlos Juan Munguia Maciel
Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
My wife's paternal grandparents
My wife's parents
My wife

Daniel Serna Valencia

Dear Daniel,

I recently helped another member of nuestroranchos with their family line. The line I was helping them with was the same branch as that last line that you gave me on your wife's paternal ancestry. The parents would be close to fifth cousins. I would have to pull his line and put it next to your wife's to see exactly how close the lines are.

A Merlo family member is involved in a famous story that is considerered the Spanish 'Romeo and Juliet'. Juan Merlo was born in Spain but his father's family Portuguese. His father was a big shot in the court in Castilla but his grandfather's family was close to the Portuguese royalty.

The ancestry doesn't stop there. I have many more names and stories that you will find interesting. It is all in my book that I haven't published yet.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Daniel Serna Valencia,

I mistakenly wrote "Jose Refugio Ochoa" when I meant to write "Maria Refugio Ochoa" as your wife's great great grandmother. She was the daughter of Jose María Ochoa Mojica

We know Juan Merlo's maternal grandparents but one source names his mother on one page and then a few pages later names her sister as his mother.
We know Martin Alfonso Merlo's ancestry as I had already studied this line many years ago when researching other possible ancestors.

Martin Alfonso Merlo.
Juan Merlo el Bravo and Guiomar Ulloa Yanez (born about 1430)
Juana Merlo Ulloa (b.1448) and Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero
Pedro Pantoja-Portocarreo(b. Abt 1468)and Catalina Rodriguez
juan Pantoja-Portocarrero (b.abt.1490) and Maria de la Pena
Catalina Pantoja Pena Ulloa (born about 1515) and Alonso De la Cueva Mendoza
Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (born about 1533) and Gonzalo nunez de Sotomayor
Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor( born about 1555) and Diego Ochoa de Garibay
Diego Ochoa Garibay y Nuñez Sotomayor and Juana Bejines Romero
Nicolas Ochoa Garibay y Bejines Romero and María Jiménez Palomino y Lupiana
José Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez Lupiana and María Ana Gutierrez de Robles y Esqueda
Bonifacio Ochoa Garibay y Gutierrez de Robles and Gertrudis de Coria Villaseñor
Leonardo Ambrosio Ochoa Garibay y Coria Villaseñor and María Josefa Jiménez M.
Francisco Tomas Ochoa Garibay y Jimenez and María Josepha Mojica
Jose María Ochoa Mojica, he had at least two wives
Maria Refugio Ochoa and Ramon Gutierrez
Jose María Gutierrez and María Soledad Castaneda
You wife's paternal grandparents
Your wife's parents
Your wife

Rick A. Ricci

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I have many Valencia and they are from Chilchota Michoacan and some from Cotija and my line moved to Jalisco. Also the Munguia line. My Gr-grandmother Maria Merced Munguia married to Longino Gutierrez. I have taken her back to Juan Carlos Munguia and Teresa Coria. I see you have them back one more generation. Can you share where you found that record? My files are on Rootsweb.com and my file name is Mexico.
Linda Castanon-Long
longsjourney@yahoo.com

Dear Daniel,
Here are two more lines.

7mo Bisabuelos: Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Coria Peralta Rincon

-8vo Bisabuelos: Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon and Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja)
-9no Bisabuelos: Capitan Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes y Patiño and Ines Nuñez Hidalgo del Rincon
-10mo Bisabuelo: Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes y Guesca and Maria Patiño de Herrera y Pereyra

-11mo Bisabuelo: Francisco de Villaseñor y Cervantes and Leonor de Guesca (Gasca) y Reus
-12vo Bisabuelo: Conquistador Juan Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco (born 1500) and Catalina Cervantes de Andrada Lara

13) Bisabuelos: Diego de Burgos Tovar (Villaseñor) (born prior 1455) and his second wife Guiomar Horosco y Sandoval (born prior 1481)

14) Bisabuelos: Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar (born between 1405-1420) Isabel de Villaseñor (Daughter of Alfonso Villaseñor)

15) Bisabuelos: comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

16) Bisabuelos: Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

17) Bisabuelos: Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

18) Bisabuelos: Elvira Osórez and Alfonso F. Villaseñor

19) Bisabuelo: Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago, d. 1383)

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-7mo Bisabuelos: Antonio Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor

-8vo Bisabuelos: Alonso Coria Lomelin and Ana Nuñez Hidalgo y Fernandez del Rincon
-9no Bisabuelos: Catalina Lomelin and Manuel Coria-Peralta

-10mo Bisabuelo: Luis Lomelin and Maria Olmo

Rick A. Ricci

hi daniel my name is stephanie martinez but my family members call me steph for short. i see that you are working on family members in your tree by last name of gutierrez and or maldonaldo. my grandfathers sister back then had married a charles gutierrez and her name was juaquina martinez. also, maldonaldos come through my line of family as follows for ex:Petra Maldonado (1862 - 1894)
2nd cousin 4x removed
Maria Diega Candelas
mother of Petra Maldonado
Maria Feliciana Martinez (1821 - )
mother of Maria Diega Candelas
Rafael Martinez (1801 - )
father of Maria Feliciana Martinez
Mamerto Martinez
son of Rafael Martinez
Serapio Martinez (1825 - )
son of Mamerto Martinez
José Maria Martinez (1849 - 1909)
son of Serapio Martinez
Cresencio Martinez (1893 - 1974)
son of José Maria Martinez
John Coronado Martinez (1931 - 1994)
son of Cresencio Martinez

rick ricci has been helping me alot and he is very knowledgable as well as george fulton and others.

1). Your wife
2). Your wife's parents
3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
9). Maria Antonia Theresa de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos" Munguia Maciel
10). Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
11). Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

12). Matias Villaseñor Cervantes y Nuñez del Rincon and Antonia Rodriguez Antúñez de Borgia (Borja)
13). Capitan Francisco de Villaseñor Cervantes y Patiño and Ines Nuñez Hidalgo del Rincon
14). Juan de Villaseñor Cervantes y Guesca and Maria Patiño de Herrera y Pereyra

15). Francisco de Villaseñor y Cervantes and Leonor de Guesca (Gasca) y Reus
16). Conquistador Juan Villaseñor-Tovar y Orosco (born 1500) and Catalina Cervantes de Andrada Lara

17). Diego de Burgos Tovar (Villaseñor) (born prior 1455) and his second wife Guiomar Horosco y Sandoval (born prior 1481)

18). Diego de Villaseñor y Tovar (born between 1405-1420) Isabel de Villaseñor (Daughter of Alfonso Villaseñor)

19). comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

20). Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

21). Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

22). Elvira Osórez and Alfonso F. Villaseñor

23). Fernando Osórez maestro de Santiago, d. 1383)

1). Your wife
2). Your wife's parents
3). Your wife's paternal grandparents
4). Maria Soledad Castaneda & Jose Maria Gutierrez
5). Juan Jose Castaneda & Felicitas Chavez
6). Juan Jose Castaneda & Maria Josefa Mendez
7). Maria Felipa Munguia & Jose Manuel Cruz Castaneda
8). Miguel Munguia & Eufracia Rosalia Valdez
9). Maria Antonia "Teresa" de Coria y Villasenor & Juan "Carlos"Munguia Maciel
10). Antonio Feliz de Coria-Peralta & Antonia de Villasenor
11). Antonia Villaseñor and Antonio Feliz Coria Peralta Rincon

12). Antonio Feliz Coria- Peralta Rincon and Antonia Villaseñor

13). Alonso Coria Lomelin and Ana Nuñez Hidalgo y Fernandez del Rincon
14). Catalina Lomelin and Manuel Coria-Peralta

15). Luis Lomelin (Luciano Lomellini) and Maria Olmo

Rick A. Ricci

My wife and I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to compile such a treasure trove of genealogical info! We're still amazed at how, with your help, we've been able to find ancestors that tie us back to old country.

Thanks again and we look forward to your book!

Gracias Primo!

Daniel Serna Valencia

Daniel:

I do have several lines in Ameca, and near Acatlan de Juarez and Jocotepec, primarily in Zacoalco de Torres and Santa Catarina.

I did notice you mention Guachinango, Mascota, as well as the surname Curiel. I have lots of ancestors in these areas. The surnames that I have from Mascota, Guachinango, and/or Atenguillo are: Curiel, Peña, Diaz, Cazarez, Chavez, Topete, Macedo, Landeros, Lopez, Lozano, Gil, Sanchez, Castellon, Fregoso, Aguiar, Jimenez, Amaral. If you have any of these in your family tree, we are probably related.

As far as Curiel, the earliest document I found on a direct ancestor is the matrimonial dispensation of Domingo Curiel and Gertrudis Gil. They married around march 1758 in Mascota. They lived in San Pablo, near Atenguillo.

If any of these names sound familiar, let me know. I hope we can share and compare some data.

Saludos

Steve in NC

Hi Steve,

The earliest Curiels I have are the following:

Jose Serapio Curiel cc Maria Teodocia Encarnacion (my 5x gg-parents), they had the following children, that I've been able to find. (All were from Mascota, Rancho de Potrillos):

Jose de Jesus Curiel (b. 1830) cc Prudencia Hernandez
Serapio de Jesus Curiel (b. 1831) cc Maria Avalos, cc Francisca Mesa
Leonides Curiel (b. 1833) cc Maria Justa Pastora Mercado (my 4x gg-parents)

From Mascota, they moved to Cuale and from there they made their way to Talpa. Given the lack of records for Mascota in the 1700s, I've reached a brick wall with this line.

I do have at least a couple of lines of Fregoso, one mine and one is my wife's:

My Fregoso line:

Me
My Parents
My Grandparents
Otilio Rodriguez cc Maria del Carmen Portillo (2nd marriage)
Emgidio Rodriguez cc Sixta Ramos
Jose Benito de Jesus Ramos cc Paulina Robles
Pedro Ramos cc Guadalupe Lugarda Fregoso
Paulino Maria Fregoso cc Andrea Josefa Ocampo
Jose Antonio Fregoso cc Juana Quiteria Gomez Garcia
Sebastian Fregoso cc Maria de Arechiga
Juan Fregoso cc Angela Enrriquez Beltran
Domingo Fregoso cc Francisca Sanchez Conde
Leonardo Fregoso cc Bernardina Farfan

My wife's Fregoso line:

My wife
Her parents
Her grand-parents
Maria Maclovia Santillan cc Manuel Salazar
Jose Jesus Santillan cc Francisca Fregoso
Leonardo Martin Fregoso cc Manuela Casian
Felipe de Jesus Fregoso cc Maria Encarnacion Diaz
Maria Gertrudis Fregoso cc ??? She had Felipe out of wedlock (hijo natural)
Juan Angel Fregoso cc Antonia Rafaela Pacheco
Domingo Fregoso cc Beatriz de Hijar
Juan Fregoso cc Angela Enrriquez Beltran
Domingo Fregoso cc Francisca Sanchez Conde
Leonardo Fregoso cc Bernardina Farfan

I'm going to guess that your Fregoso ancestors intersect with one of both of ours. :-) Do they?

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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