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By HERJOE59 - Posted on 22 March 2016

CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

Jose,

Try looking in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. These last
names are very common there.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED
> ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED
> RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT
> SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH
> HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY
> SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

Jose,

Try looking in Nochistlan, Zacatecas and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. These last
names are very common there.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED
> ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED
> RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT
> SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH
> HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY
> SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

You wrote:

CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

My response:
Your request brought up many questions. Are you looking for general information on how to use the many resources available to study genealogy? If you are, there are many books out there that can help guide you. The answer to what to do if you have "used all of what family search has" is not a short answer.

If you are looking for specific information about your ancestors, you need to provide more information and identify what clues you may have.

The full names Juan Martin Torres and Anna Xacinta de Los Santos is information that you should have provided if you were looking for specific help. It also would help to identify all of their children and any information that you have on them, especially that the information that you are looking for is in the late 1700's.

Also Rafaela is also known as Maria Rafaela Robalcava.

Beside Alejandro Torres, did you know that they are the parents of Maria Angel Torres de Los Santos (Sntos) baptized on 2/Nov/1783 in La Chona? If it was me doing the research, I would look for descendants of the siblings also to see if I can gather more information.
What additional information do you have that can guide the research? That answer to what you do next is to revisit all the information that you do know and see where that information may lead you.

Here is what I have so far:

Alexandro Torre
mentioned in the record of Maria Petra Torre
Name Alexandro Torre
Gender Male
Wife Rafaela Rubalcava
Daughter Maria Petra Torre
Name Maria Petra Torre
Gender Female
Christening Date 01 May 1808
Christening Place La Encarnación, Encarnación de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthplace Media Luna
Father's Name Alexandro Torre
Mother's Name Rafaela Rubalcava
Paternal Grandfather's Name Martin De Torre
Paternal Grandmother's Name Anna De Santos
Maternal Grandfather's Name Ysidro Rubalcava
Maternal Grandmother's Name Petra Esqueda
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXHF-SXH : accessed 22 March 2016), Alexandro Torre in entry for Maria Petra Torre, 01 May 1808; citing Media Luna, reference v 3 p 258; FHL microfilm 1,155,173

Jn. Martin Torres
mentioned in the record of Maria Angel Torres Stos.
Name Jn. Martin Torres
Gender Male
Wife Anna Xasinta De Stos.
Daughter Maria Angel Torres Stos.
Name Maria Angel Torres Stos.
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Nov 1783
Christening Place LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jn. Martin Torres
Mother's Name Anna Xasinta De Stos.
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYTX-8P2 : accessed 22 March 2016), Jn. Martin Torres in entry for Maria Angel Torres Stos., 02 Nov 1783; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.

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Link :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX7P-Y?mode=g&i=131&wc=3JHV-BZ9%3A171936701%2C171936702%2C171936703%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

Here is a daughter of Alejandro and Rafaela:

Rafaela Rubalcava
mentioned in the record of Maria Petra Torre
Name Rafaela Rubalcava
Gender Female
Husband Alexandro Torre
Daughter Maria Petra Torre
Name Maria Petra Torre
Gender Female
Christening Date 01 May 1808
Christening Place La Encarnación, Encarnación de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthplace Media Luna
Father's Name Alexandro Torre
Mother's Name Rafaela Rubalcava
Paternal Grandfather's Name Martin De Torre
Paternal Grandmother's Name Anna De Santos
Maternal Grandfather's Name Ysidro Rubalcava
Maternal Grandmother's Name Petra Esqueda
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXHF-SXC : accessed 22 March 2016), Rafaela Rubalcava in entry for Maria Petra Torre, 01 May 1808; citing Media Luna, reference v 3 p 258; FHL microfilm 1,155,173.

They had previously named a daughter with the same name. Here is that record:

Maria Rafaela Robalcava
mentioned in the record of Maria Petra Torres Robalcava
Name Maria Rafaela Robalcava
Gender Female
Husband Alexandro De Torres
Daughter Maria Petra Torres Robalcava
Name Maria Petra Torres Robalcava
Gender Female
Christening Date 06 May 1798
Christening Place LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Alexandro De Torres
Mother's Name Maria Rafaela Robalcava
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1G5-TP6 : accessed 22 March 2016), Maria Rafaela Robalcava in entry for Maria Petra Torres Robalcava, 06 May 1798; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.

You may have more information, if you do,what is it? Who do you have as the immediate family of these people? Who are their children? What do you know about their children or siblings?

Good Luck
R.A.Ricci

This person might also be the same person as Juan Joseph Nicolas de San Martin de Torres born 21 sep 1753, parents are juan antonia de torres and juana gertrudis albares. I don't know anything about this fammily just from your information I attached many records of family but there was quite a lot many duplicates but they now need merging with the family.

Jn. Martin Torres
Mexico Baptisms
Name Jn. Martin Torres
Gender Male
Christening Date 18 Jul 1745
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Mother's Name Mathiana De Torres
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTVV-J2V : accessed 22 March 2016), Jn. Martin Torres, 18 Jul 1745; citing SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,410.

Possible sibling and parents

Joseph Alexandro Martin
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Name Joseph Alexandro Martin
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 18 Mar 1752
Event Place San Agustín, Ayotlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Manuel Martin
Mother's Name Maria Matiana
CITING THIS RECORD

México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8JK-431 : accessed 23 March 2016), Joseph Alexandro Martin, 18 Mar 1752; citing Baptism, San Agustín, Ayotlán, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 280,671.

You mentioned a marriage record in 1796. Where is the link to this record? Have you looked at the "informacion matrimonial" to see if there is more information there?

Here is an interesting record where Martin is used as a surname:

Rafaela Robalcaba
Gender Female
Husband Alexandro Martin
Son Jph. Patrisio De La Trinidad Martin Robalcaba
Name Jph. Patrisio De La Trinidad Martin Robalcaba
Gender Male
Christening Date 08 Apr 1800
Christening Place LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Alexandro Martin
Mother's Name Rafaela Robalcaba
CITING THIS RECORD

"Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYTX-ST1 : accessed 22 March 2016), Rafaela Robalcaba in entry for Jph. Patrisio De La Trinidad Martin Robalcaba, 08 Apr 1800; citing LA ENCARNACION,ENCARNACION DE DIAZ,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,155,172.

Image 546 of 660

Link:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX7Y-8?mode=g&i=545&wc=3JHV-BZ9%3A171936701%2C171936702%2C171936703%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

Research the padrinos who also has the surname Martin, Jph. Trinidad Martin and Juana Maria Martin

Dear Jose,

I used to write that I have been doing genealogy research for many years, then over twenty years, then over thirty years, now I say that my research encompasses over forty years. When I first started out, I did not have Internet or familysearch as a resource. The main resources were books and records that were on paper. As the years have gone by, The ability to access these records has become easier, first because of microfiche, then cd's, then the Internet, then the various stages of familysearch. The latest version of familysearch is supposed to be the best but I was able to access certain documents on earlier versions of familysearch that I cannot access now. But overall, the ability to research through such a powerful resource tool like familysearch makes the old fashioned work of checking out books and records seem like too much work.

Although I too make extensive use of familysearch, much of my research continues to be of the old fashioned kind. I read a lot. Researching genealogy without the internet is tremendous work. The beauty of modern day research is the ability to combine all forms of research, and to collaborate from great distances through the use of the Internet. Many people don't have the resources that I have. Many people have resources that I don't have. Through cooperation and collaboration, much more is accomplished by sharing information on the internet through sites like Nuestrosranchos. If you really have "used all of what familysearch has" then you need to go back to the old style research and physically go to where the records or books are located to access more information. But all research begins with the information that we do have to guide us in the right direction. Remember, the path that guides us is that information that is already confirmed. Gather all the information that you do have and look at it individually and collectively. Sometimes you have to put it aside and come back to it later to see the clues.

Good Luck,
R.A.Ricci.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM, JOSE TORRES wrote:

> CURRENTLY I USE FAMILY SEARCH TO FIND MY FAMILY MEMBERS , BUT I HAVE USED
> ALL OF WHAT FAIMLY SEARCH HAS. I FOUND WHERE ALEJANDRO TORRES MARRIED
> RAFEALA ROBALCABA IN 1796 AND IT SHOWS HIM BEING 19 AT THE TIME AND IT
> SHOWS HIS FATHER BEING MARTIN DE TORRES BUT THAT IS AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH
> HAS IN ENCARNACION DE DIAZ . ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GO TO GO FURTHER IMY
> SEARCH.....JOSE TORRES

Jph. Alexandro Martin de Thorres is the son of Juan Martin de Thorres, "difunto" at the time of marriage. A check of records of difuntos prior to this date may turn up more information.

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Jph. Alexandro De Torres
mentioned in the record of Jph. Alexandro De Torres and Maria Raphaela Rovalcaba
Name Jph. Alexandro De Torres
Spouse's Name Maria Raphaela Rovalcaba
Event Date 03 Aug 1796
Event Place La Encarnacion,Encarnacion De Diaz,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZJN-5N5 : accessed 23 March 2016), Jph. Alexandro De Torres and Maria Raphaela Rovalcaba, 03 Aug 1796; citing La Encarnacion,Encarnacion De Diaz,Jalisco,Mexico,

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Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Encarnación de Díaz La Encarnación Información matrimonial 1795-1799, 1844-1845

HAVING TROUBLE FINDING JUAN MARTIN DE TORRES'S FATHER. I SEE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE A JUAN FRANCISCO AS HIS FATHER,BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT JUAN FRANCISCO BAPTISM I FIND  THE BAPTISM IN THE  ESPANOLES  SECTION AND WHEN I LOOK AT JUAN MARTIN'S SON  MARRIAGE I SEE HIS SON ALEXANDRO IS LISTED AS YNDIO. ANY POSSIBILITY THEY MADE A MISTAKE ON ESPANOLES AND YNDIO. MY EMAIL IS HERJOE59@YAHOO.COM/THANK YOU

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