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By meef98367 - Posted on 12 November 2015

In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to a Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in San Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan? I think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I see his parents listed.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYB6-8?i=134&owc=collection%2F1874591%2Fwaypoints&wc=3J45-SPD%3A171932801%2C171930902%2C175158801&cc=1874591

Thank you in advance,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Hi Emile,
Yes, Jose Rosalino was previously married to Juana Micaela Vasquez. Juana Micaela was buried in San Miguel (San Miguel el Alto) which at the the time the town church was an affiliated church (ayuda de esta parroquia) of Jalostotitlan. Maria Francisca was from the ranch el Jerusalem, daughter of Antonio Diaz and Juliana Romo (both deceased at the time of the marriage).

Best regards,
Austin Perez

Emilie,

I'm not sure Im the only one, but your link doesn't bring me to an actual
record.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in
> Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to a
> Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in San
> Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan? I
> think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I see
> his parents listed.
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYB6-8?i=134&owc=collection%2F1874591%2Fwaypoints&wc=3J45-SPD%3A171932801%2C171930902%2C175158801&cc=1874591
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>

I am very computer illiterate, and old (77). Sorry.

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:45:10 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need translation help
>
> Emilie,
>
>
> I'm not sure Im the only one, but your link doesn't bring me to an actual
> record.
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> > In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in
> > Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to a
> > Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in San
> > Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan? I
> > think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I see
> > his parents listed.
> >
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYB6-8?i=134&owc=collection%2F1874591%2Fwaypoints&wc=3J45-SPD%3A171932801%2C171930902%2C175158801&cc=1874591
> >
> > Thank you in advance,
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
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Everything seems to have changed in Family Search. I used to be able to forward a link to a certain image, but I don't know how to do that now. I did see something on the bottom of the image that might be the correct link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-25601-34?cc=1874591 : accessed 14 November 2015), Jalostotitlán > Nuestra Señora de la Asunción > Matrimonios 1800-1816 > image 135 of 565; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:44:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need translation help
>
> I am very computer illiterate, and old (77). Sorry.
>
> Emilie
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:45:10 -0800
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need translation help
> >
> > Emilie,
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure Im the only one, but your link doesn't bring me to an actual
> > record.
> >
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Emilie Garcia
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in
> > > Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to a
> > > Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in San
> > > Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan? I
> > > think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I see
> > > his parents listed.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYB6-8?i=134&owc=collection%2F1874591%2Fwaypoints&wc=3J45-SPD%3A171932801%2C171930902%2C175158801&cc=1874591
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance,
> > >
> > > Emilie
> > > Port Orchard, WA
> > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
>

Emilie,

Yay, the second link worked! Yes, you are correct. The document does state
that his first wife was Juana Micaela Basquez who died three years before
the date of this marriage and was in fact buried in San Miguel Ayuda. It
states that both are from Jalostitlan - Jose Rosalino from La Maravilla and
Francisco from Jerusalen (I assume these were the names of the ranchos or
haciendas). It also states her parents as being Antonio Diaz and Ana Juliana
Romo. It is not uncommon for a widower not to have parents listed, you need
to find the record for his first marriage or maybe the informaciones
matrimoniales for that information.

-Angelina-
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Emilie Garcia
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in
> > > Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to
> > > a
> > > Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in
> > > San
> > > Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan?
> > > I
> > > think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I
> > > see
> > > his parents listed.

Glad it worked, Angelina,

I am so slow to pick up on the new things. I have been using FamilySearch since it went online, and I never knew all the things you can find on it. My adopted daughter was over here this afternoon, and she has only discovered FamilySearch recently but already she knows how to find things I never knew were there. She helped me find my marriage record from California on it, and it has the wrong date! Now I will have to contact Sacramento to tell them to change it to the correct date.

Thanks for the translation,

Emilie

> From: angelina@markleweb.com
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 15:28:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Need translation help (Emilie Garcia)
>
> Emilie,
>
> Yay, the second link worked! Yes, you are correct. The document does state
> that his first wife was Juana Micaela Basquez who died three years before
> the date of this marriage and was in fact buried in San Miguel Ayuda. It
> states that both are from Jalostitlan - Jose Rosalino from La Maravilla and
> Francisco from Jerusalen (I assume these were the names of the ranchos or
> haciendas). It also states her parents as being Antonio Diaz and Ana Juliana
> Romo. It is not uncommon for a widower not to have parents listed, you need
> to find the record for his first marriage or maybe the informaciones
> matrimoniales for that information.
>
> -Angelina-
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Emilie Garcia
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In the marriage of Jose Rosalino Gutierrez and Maria Francisca Diaz in
> > > > Jalostitlan on June 8, 1804, does it say that he was married before to
> > > > a
> > > > Juana Micaela Basquez and that she had died in 1801 and was buried in
> > > > San
> > > > Miguel Ayuda? Was he from Maravilla and Francisca from Jalostitlan?
> > > > I
> > > > think it lists her parents who are both deceased, but I don't think I
> > > > see
> > > > his parents listed.
>

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