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By mercadoh - Posted on 01 August 2015

Are your children learning that a Spanish/Latino/creole army and navy ran the British out of most of what became the southern U.S. during the Revolutionary War? Check their U.S. history books! If the index doesn't list ”Galvez” and the “Siege of Pensacola” write your school board!

Any book that lists Lafayette but not Galvez is distorting history. IMO.

My family discover Florida in 1512. The Zambrano were nobleman and worked
with the Ponce the Leon. Hernando de soto with his army march and kill
cannibal tribes all over florida to the mississippi river. After California
was discovered they build the Spanish road. A road that connects all
spanish colonies from florida to texas to new mexico to California. They
never teach this in HIstory class or culture

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 12:10 PM, wrote:

>
>
>
> Are your children learning that a Spanish/Latino/creole army and navy ran
> the British out of most of what became the southern U.S. during the
> Revolutionary War? Check their U.S. history books! If the index doesn't
> list ”Galvez” and the “Siege of Pensacola” write your school board!
>
>
> Any book that lists Lafayette but not Galvez is distorting history. IMO.

(Normally I only discuss genealogy...so I apologize for my soap-boxing here. First and only time, I promise)

So true...despite american plurality, there is an overwhelming right-wing ultra-nationalist "patriotic" sentiment that desires to silence by threat and violence any dissenting voice of history. The government's laws make it easy to criminalize protest take away free speech and assembly. So much of this land's real history is unknown or willfully concealed, I believe, as part of a greater agenda of assimilation and racial division. Where is the history of the Native peoples, Spanish/Mexican settlers, Africans, women, and so many others, who with their blood built the foundations of this country?? Concealed...obliterated.

Everywhere you turn - school, books, television shows, movies, magazines, newspapers, popular culture, media feeds, etc. - we are purposefully left out of the history of "America". Bernardo de Gálvez aided the Thirteen Colonies in their quest for independence and led Spanish forces against Britain in the Revolutionary War, defeating the British at the Siege of Peñascola/Pensacola (1781) and reconquering Florida for Spain. He spent the last two years of his life as Viceroy of New Spain, succeeding his father Matías de Gálvez y Gallardo. The city of Galveston, Texas, was named for him. Under him New Orleans' "Spanish" quarter was rebuilt after flooding - the architecture of the French Quarter is really Spanish. You're right, although Gálvez contributed way more, Lafayette occupies more space in history books. It's because Lafayette was French and Gálvez was Spanish. French...good, Spanish...bad. Really!!

Perhaps it is shame over the fact that the U.S. was founded on military conquest, slavery, genocide, segregation, oppression, subjugation, and is actually a police-state, that so much fact is left out of american history books. They don't want to be reminded of the horror. I have actually heard people say they wish american history could be rewritten, and so they do. The truth of history cannot be erased, it can only be covered up and hidden, by shifting attention onto some fake political non-issue...like illegal immigration or Islamic terrorism. Merely distractions from corporate-sponsored power-hungry war-mongering politicians seeking to stoke the flames of patriotism in their favor.

I remember history books used to cover lots of interesting thought-provoking material. Now they are so one-sided, simply focused on "Standards". Future history books may altogether neglect to mention the Native American genocide and forced removal (ie. Tippencanoe, Trail of Tears, Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres, policy of extermination, just to name a few), African slavery and segregation, or Spanish-Mexican history and accomplishments. We have been bombarded by explicit and implicit shaming of our cultures, to the point where our people believe the lies, feel a certain shame for their own culture and identity. Many Hispanic families have succumbed and lost their roots in this fashion.

Hopefully people will wake up, take their head out of the sand (I mean "smart" phones), and look up at reality. You might notice that US history is not "OUR" history. We get no respect. That is why I actually seek out the truth of my real history, my real heritage, and my real language - Español. If corporate books, TV history shows, or movies do not convey our voices and perspectives, then we must be the instruments of education for our younger generation at risk of losing their heritage and identity. We are fighting an arduous up-hill war against a powerful adversary...David and Goliath ring a bell.

No pierdan su historia e identidad. Enséñenles español a sus hijos y aprendan más sobre sus propias raíces. No se dejen vencer. ¡Sí se puede! ¡He dicho!

OK done venting. Now back to genealogy...
SFHL

I have learned more history from my genealogy research than I ever learned as a student in a classroom. It is a shame that the history books and classes leave out so much information.

Rick A. Ricci

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm in high school and I never knew any of this and the teachers don't know
about Mexico at all. The only time Mexico ever was mentioned they told us
that Mexico was just Spanish people and Aztec people. I told my teacher
there was lots of tribes and even Aftrican Americans in Mexico and she said
that was silly, just Spanish People and Aztecs.

Danny C. Alonso

Danny,

Now it's your turn to teach your teachers a little something about Mexican
history. There are many wonderful books but one exceptional book in English
is the War for Mexico's West, by Professor and Historian, Ida Altman. It
can be purchased at Better World Books, Abe's Books, Amazon and Barnes and
Noble.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> I'm in high school and I never knew any of this and the teachers don't know
> about Mexico at all. The only time Mexico ever was mentioned they told us
> that Mexico was just Spanish people and Aztec people. I told my teacher
> there was lots of tribes and even Aftrican Americans in Mexico and she said
> that was silly, just Spanish People and Aztecs.
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Gracias prima Alicia!

I've been looking for a new book to read. I just bought it on Amazon.

On a different note, I've made some great finds on our common ancestors
(Duran line from Nochistlan) thanks to a post on NR in 2013:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/21881

For those of you hitting road blocks be sure to use dispensas which have
helped me immensely in the 1600s and 1700s.

http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht. I wasn't aware of
this post until last week. Thank you Katy Brecht!

One that I used before last week was :
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas

Happy Hunting.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Alicia Carrillo
wrote:

> Danny,
>
> Now it's your turn to teach your teachers a little something about Mexican
> history. There are many wonderful books but one exceptional book in English
> is the War for Mexico's West, by Professor and Historian, Ida Altman. It
> can be purchased at Better World Books, Abe's Books, Amazon and Barnes and
> Noble.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Danny Alonso
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
> >
> > I'm in high school and I never knew any of this and the teachers don't
> know
> > about Mexico at all. The only time Mexico ever was mentioned they told us
> > that Mexico was just Spanish people and Aztec people. I told my teacher
> > there was lots of tribes and even Aftrican Americans in Mexico and she
> said
> > that was silly, just Spanish People and Aztecs.
> >
> > Danny C. Alonso
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >

Attached is a bio on Professor Ida Altman from Wikipedia. I would be
interested in getting my hands on the professor's first published
article. Altman's
first article was published in 1976, "A Family and Region in the Northern
Fringe Lands: The Marqueses de Aguayo of Nuevo León and Coahuila", in the
now classic anthology on regional variation in colonial Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Altman

I hope you get as much from this book as we did as part of our first foray
into Mexico History as part of the Nuevo Mundo Historical and Genealogical
Society of Silicon Valley.

Let me know what your thoughts are once you receive it and have a time to
delve into it. Que lo disfrutes primo!

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Gracias prima Alicia!
>
> I've been looking for a new book to read. I just bought it on Amazon.
>
> On a different note, I've made some great finds on our common ancestors
> (Duran line from Nochistlan) thanks to a post on NR in 2013:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/21881
>
> For those of you hitting road blocks be sure to use dispensas which have
> helped me immensely in the 1600s and 1700s.
>
> http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht. I wasn't aware of
> this post until last week. Thank you Katy Brecht!
>
> One that I used before last week was :
> http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas
>
> Happy Hunting.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Juan Aguayo
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Alicia Carrillo
> wrote:
>
> > Danny,
> >
> > Now it's your turn to teach your teachers a little something about
> Mexican
> > history. There are many wonderful books but one exceptional book in
> English
> > is the War for Mexico's West, by Professor and Historian, Ida Altman. It
> > can be purchased at Better World Books, Abe's Books, Amazon and Barnes
> and
> > Noble.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Danny Alonso
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
> > >
> > > I'm in high school and I never knew any of this and the teachers don't
> > know
> > > about Mexico at all. The only time Mexico ever was mentioned they told
> us
> > > that Mexico was just Spanish people and Aztec people. I told my teacher
> > > there was lots of tribes and even Aftrican Americans in Mexico and she
> > said
> > > that was silly, just Spanish People and Aztecs.
> > >
> > > Danny C. Alonso
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
> > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >

Hello

I'll look for that book and I'll try to teach them but sometimes it's hard
after the teacher says they don't believe something and the students only
believe the teacher.

Danny C. Alonso

As an avid fan of history since a very early age, I have always been curious about the traditions and stories my parents, grandparents, and family would tell me. My father and mother were indeed my first teachers - teaching me Spanish, math, history, and so much more. Learning from them and then learning in american schools I quickly figured out that american schools are laboratories for assimilation, bullying, and native cultural self-loathing. I grew up with a different perspective...an educated perspective, one of an outsider looking in.

Danny, your experiences with "silly" teachers that don't know about Mexico at all, are very well known to me and my brothers who have also pursued higher-level education and graduate school. In many ways I am self-taught on many subjects (I am fluent in Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese...and English) and always looking for sources of authentic history - hidden history. Just like Rick Ricci said, I have learned more about Mexican history and my own family's history from my own genealogical research, than I have learned in schools.

Having bad teachers is what propelled me to become a good teacher myself. I teach high school Spanish levels 1, 2, and 3. Although I don't actually teach history I actually do, in my Spanish classes.

While I was pursuing my BA in History, I came across many books and their authors that many of you NR readers may enjoy.

- "Lies My Teacher Told Me", by James W. Loewen
- "Lies Across America", by James W. Loewen (and others by Mr. Loewen)
- "A People's History of the United States", by Howard Zinn
- "The Truth Must Be Told: How Spain and Hispanics helped build the United States", by Carlos B. Vega [GREAT BOOK!!]
- "Bernardo de Galvez (Latinos in American History)", by Russell Roberts
- "The holy war in Los Altos", by Jim Tuck (I did my BA thesis on the Cristero War)

- Also check out any books that talk about the covert privateers who undermined Tejas and led to it's conquest and annexation, the Alamo, and subsequently the Mexican War to fulfill Manifest Destiny.
- Any book about the 1898 explosion of the USS Maine, a deliberate act which led to the Spanish-American War and it acquisition of the former Spanish empire (Cuba, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.) [It was an inside job just like 9/11 and blamed on Spanish "terrorists" attacking the US].
- Any book about the life and beliefs of Cesar Chavez, the UFC farm labor/civil rights activist who protested against pesticide use.

And that is only the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more hidden history beneath the surface of the illusory waters of our present-day corporate mainstream society.

The truth wants to be known
SFHL

Danny,

As I tell the members of our Genealogical Society, It's up to us to learn
our history and tell our history. When you know your true history, you're
able to tell others about it and no one can brainwash you when you know the
truth. Once you learn it, you'll be doing what primo Paco Hernandez is
doing, learning it and teaching it with conviction. Not saying it doesn't
take time, it takes a lot of time and dedication, but slowly you'll get
there. It takes patience and perseverance.

Alicia

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello
>
> I'll look for that book and I'll try to teach them but sometimes it's hard
> after the teacher says they don't believe something and the students only
> believe the teacher.
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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