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Possible Family of Benito de Isla and Petronila de Moctezuma

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By The Genealogist - Posted on 26 May 2015

Hello,

I have recently discovered that I descend from a Benito de Isla whose many descendants spread throughout Nochistlan. I hit the brick wall there, and I do not know who Benito’s wife was. Normally I would assume that the traceable ancestry ends there. However, I have spotted miscellaneously placed postings that allude to a specific ancestry for Benito de Isla and his unnamed wife when they are all placed together. Unfortunately I have been unable to pinpoint the sources for most of these postings – this is where I need help.

But to start with:

PART 1: What is Provable:

From the primary sources that I have been able to access and see with my own eyes, I have mapped out the following:

Benito de Isla was the father of Magdalena de Lavezaris (wife of Francisco Gonzalez) and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). This same Benito de Isla also had a natural mestiza daughter named Maria de Isla.

There is another Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano and had a family in Aguascalientes. This Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) had a sister named Petronila de Isla.

PART 2: What I suspect (Part A): The Maria de Isla’s:

I think that the Maria de Isla (the mestiza) is possibly one and the same with the Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano. However, I have not seen this Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) ever mentioned as anything but “espanol;” the same goes for her children. Then again I have seen many examples within these Mexican colonial records were people who are more accurately and originally described as mixed race, appear later in life described as “espanol”. If these two Maria de Isla’s are the same person then Benito de Isla is also the father of Petronila de Isla.

I do not think the Maria de Isla (wife of Chritobal Martinez Lozano) is the same person as Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). There seem to be too many children born to both of these women to be same one.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part B): The Lavezaris Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Magdalena de Lavezaris. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I think that Benito de Isla is the son of a Bernardino de Isla and another Magdalena de Lavezaris who was the sister of Guido de Lavezaris, Governor-General of the Philippines.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part C): The Moctezuma Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Maria de Isla y Moctezuma. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I suspect the connection was matrilineal but have never seen a wife listed for Benito de Isla from my own research. (Benito de Isla possibly being the father of Petronila de Isla also comes into play here.)

I have spotted a few interesting postings that allude to Benito de Isla’s wife. However, they are un-sourced postings, I have been unable to make contact with the people who posted them, and have not been able to pinpoint any primary sources for the following:

From other’s Postings:

1. I have seen a forum (here at Nuestros Ranchos) where a Petronila de Isla is described as being the daughter of a Benito de Isla and a Juana Navarro. I have been unable to contact the person who posted this. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

2. I have seen a tree on Ancestry.com where Benito de Isla is married to a Juana Navarro. Here Juana Navarro dies 28 Dec 1651 in Teocaltiche. The death records in Teocaltiche do not go back that far. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

3. In another tree on Ancestry.com, Benito de Isla is married to a Juana “Navarro y Moctezuma.” Wonderful, if her name actually appears this way, but does anyone know where this information comes from?

4. I have seen forums of the couple Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma as having 4 children: Ana-Francisca, Maria, Christobal, and JUANA. Ana-Francisca, Maria, and Christobal are provable children via various dispensas. But where does the information of this couple also having a daughter named Juana come from? Does anyone know?

PART 3 Conclusions?:

All of this starts to lean in a certain direction. Let us assume that, outside of what is provable, what I suspect is true and what others have posted is also true; that all that is needed is to pinpoint a few more sources. Then the following is a possible reconstruction of the whole picture:

Benito de Isla (son of Bernardino de Isla and Magdalena de Lavezaris) married a Juana Navarro (daughter of Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma) and had as daughters Magdalena de Lavezaris (named after her paternal grandmother), Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (partially named after her maternal grandmother), Petronila de Isla (also partially named after her maternal grandmother), with the additional Maria de Isla (the Mestiza daughter born from another woman).

Chronologically it fits, though a little tight on Petronila de Moctezuma’s side if we assume she was born about 1552, allegedly had the said Juana by 1572, Juana having Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma by the time she was age 15 c. 1587, and both Madalena and Maria also starting to have children by about age 15, since most of their traceable children have their earliest estimated birth years in the late 1600’s early 1610’s. Keep in mind that 15 is a typical age for young girls to marry in this time period.

I would appreciate any opinions, corrections, or primary sources on these matters which may prove or refute the possible reconstruction of this tree.

Regards,

David

Hi Armando,

Thanks, I was unaware that the charts existed. There's a family center not far from my home - some day I need to make a visit!

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

On Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) & Francisco Gonzalez as Brothers.

Jaime Holcombe Isunza stated “A probable other son of Juan Lozano and Inés Martínez was Francisco González Martínez.” As seen on page 8 of:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Distribution%20%28Mary%20Lou%20Montagna%29.doc?dl=0

I had actually reached the same conclusion, within my own work. I had not mentioned it when I started this forum thread to maintain focus, but since it has come up, I will present it here. I feel that Christobal Martinez Lozano(I) and Francisco Gonzalez (husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris) were brothers for the following reasons:

1.)
Diego de Aguayo (son of Antonio de Aguayo and Elvira Gonzalez de Isla) and Gertrudis Lozano (daughter of Joseph Lozano and Petronila de Retamosa Mecias Valades Gonzalez de Gardea Tresalva) were married 12 Jan 1696 in Aguascalientes. They were related in the 4th degree, so this marriage required a dispensation which can be found here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-34074-16?cc=1874591&wc=SSKT-MNL:171935001,171974101,175781901

The dispensation does not actually map out the relation but says several times that the grandmother of the husband and the grandfather of the wife where first cousins. So with some detective work the following two dispensas prove that Elvira Gonzalez de Isla’s mother was Andrea Gonzalez de Isla (wife of Juan de la Cruz Bermejo) and that Andrea Gonzalez de Isla was the daughter of Magdalena de Lavezaris (wife of Francisco Gonzalez):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-46928-97?cc=1874591&wc=SSKT-L29:171935001,171974101,175991101

(this same record also appears at)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-80255-98?cc=1874591&wc=SSKB-HZ9:171935001,171974101,176001301

&:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-16858-96?cc=1874591&wc=SSK5-4WG:171935001,171974101,175887801

Also, the following dispensa proves that Joseph Lozano was the son (probably a natural son) of Christobal Martinez Lozano (II) who was the son of Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) (husband of Maria de Isla):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18404-43474-10?cc=1874591&wc=SSKR-82S:171935001,171974101,175973001

Don’t forget the dispensa of Diego de Aguayo and Gertrudis Lozano. They are related in the 4th degree. The dispensa does not give specifics but goes as far as to say that the grandmother of the husband (now proven to be Andrea Gonzalez de Islas) and the grandfather of the wife (now proven to be Christobal Martinez Lozano (II)) are first cousins. Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) and Francisco Gonzalez being brothers fits the bill.

Francisco Gonzalez --- 1o (brothers) --- Christobal Martinez Lozano (I)
Andrea Gonzalez de Islas --- 2o (1st cousins) --- Christobal Martinez Lozano (II)
Elvira Gonzalez de Islas --- 3o --- Joseph Lozano
Diego de Aguayo --- 4o --- Gertrudis Lozano

2.)
Add to that the fact that “a” Francisco Gonzalez appears as a Padrino to Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) and Maria de Isla’s daughter Leonor, in which he is named as the brother of Christobal Martinez Lozano. Found here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51575-11

3.)
Add to that the fact that at least one of Francisco Gonzalez’s (husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris) children used the name “Lozano.” In the will of Marcos Gonzalez Hidalgo dated 17 March 1670 in Aguascalientes, he names his wife as “Juana Gonzales Losano” and names his brother-in-laws as “mis cuñados Bernardino de Islas y Diego González de Islas…y mas el medio sito que trujo en dote la dicha mi mujer.” Bernardino [Gonzalez] de Islas and Diego Gonzalez de Islas are both known to be sons of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Lavezaris. So if Bernardino and Diego are Marcos’s brother-in-laws, they must be brothers of his wife Juana Gonzalez Lozano, who intern would also be a daughter of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Lavezaris.

4.)
Add to this what Manny Diez Hermosillo mentioned earlier about his Ines de Islas (wife of Christobal Mexia, daughter of Bernardino de Islas, granddaughter of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Lavezaris. This Ines de Isla appears as “Ynes Martinez Baca” in the baptism of her son Bernardino Mexia 25 June 1674 found here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-14833-43?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-N4K:n180819113

And as Manny Diez Hermosillo stated earlier: “This would imply that she was named for an ancestor, i.e., Ynes Martinez Baca y Gonzalez, who we know as the wife of Juan Lozano, and mother of Cristobal [Martinez] Lozano [I]. The obvious source would be Francisco Gonzalez Martinez, who could have taken his mother's surnames[.]”

I think we can consider the matter of Francisco Gonzalez (husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris) and Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) (husband of Maria de Isla) as being brothers solved and closed.

Regards,

David

P.S.
(This also leads me to believe that Juan Lozano (husband of Josefa de Moscoso y Sandoval Cortez) was also a son of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Lavezaris. They have one child that uses the name “Lozano” why not another. Several children of Francisco Gonzalez marry the children of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortez, this Juan Lozano may be another one of them.)

P.P.S.
For those who are following this thread extra close and are referencing the primary sources mentioned, you may have noticed that, in addition to the 4th degree relationship constantly mentioned in the dispensa of Diego de Aguayo and Gertrudis Lozano, at only one point it also mentions that the mother of the of the husband (Elvira Gonzalez de Isla) and the father of the wife (Joseph Lozano) are first cousins. I feel that this was a slight error on the part of the compiler of the dispensa, who was probably working under the notion that Joseph Lozano’s mother was Mariana Gonzalez de la Cruz Bermejo Perez de Gardea, however, she was not his mother as shown in the previously mentioned dispensa but repeated here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18404-43474-10?cc=1874591&wc=SSKR-82S:171935001,171974101,175973001

Joseph Lozano was the son of Chritobal Martinez Lozano (II) and another woman (as of yet unknown).

Mariana Gonzalez de la Cruz Bermejo Perez de Gardea was the daughter of Alonso Martin Bermejo, Alcalde Ordinario de Aguascalientes, and Ysabel Perez de Gardea. Mariana was most likely the sister of Juan de la Cruz Bermejo (husband of Andrea Gonzalez de Isla) who had a daughter named Ysabel Perez de Gardea (most likely after her grandmother). The one reference in the dispensa of Diego de Aguayo and Gertrudis Lozano in which the mother of the of the husband (Elvira Gonzalez de Isla) and the father of the wife (Joseph Lozano) are first cousins, is probably meant in the following way:

Juan de la Cruz Bermejo --- 1o (siblings) --- Mariana (who is taken as the mother of Joseph Lozano though other evidence shows that she is not.)

Elvira Gonzalez de Isla --- 2o (supposed first cousins) --- Joseph Lozano
Diego de Aguayo --- 3o --- Gertrudis Lozano

P.P.P.S.
There are probably those who are wondering about Petronila de Retamosa Mecias Valades Gonzalez de Gardea Tresalva. Please do not comment about her here. Save that for the thread I will be creating for her at a later date.

Thanks for that information.

It wasn't clear from your post if you understand that the surname Mecias doesn't exist in Aguascalientes, Jalisco, or Zacatecas. The surname is Macias. Tresalba is not a surname either. It is a classification which means three quarters white. It comes from the term for horses with three white hooves.

Ha! Nicely done, David!

I had those dispensas and even that testamento in my tree, but hadn’t gotten around to researching them and connecting the dots; I just read the Marcos Gonzalez Hidalgo testamento, and it does say his cuñados are Bernardino and Diego Gonzalez de Yslas. This establishes a notarized link between the Gonzalez de Yslas and the surname “Lozano.” !GOL!

I also had Joseph Lozano, hijo natural of Cristobal Lozano de Yslas, in my tree, but I didn’t have his wife’s name. As it turns out, I had him and his wife in my tree, but from the marriage of another of their sons; once I merged the 2 Joseph Lozano’s, and placed Juana Gonzalez Lozano where she belongs, the tree came together nicely. It’s a workable template, we just need to find more documentation to support/refute it.

We also have to keep in mind that Maria de Yslas (m. Cristobal Lozano) might still be a daughter of Benito de la Ysla, in which case, the parentesco on the Diego Aguayo/Gertrudis Lozano dispensa could be through Maria de Yslas and Magdalena Lavezaris, rather than Cristobal Lozano and Francisco Gonzalez (or through both, if Cristobal and Francisco married siblings).

I agree, about not wanting to “clutter” up this thread, but the “Ynes Martinez Baca” reference has been nagging me since I first saw it, and I’ve been waiting for an appropriate (and active) discussion to bring it up (looks like this was the one!). It just seems too random to be a notary’s mistake, you know what I mean? To appear, 2-4 generations later, and in an apparently unrelated family; “Ynes Martinez Baca” is not a name like “Magdalena Lavezaris” or “Catalina Cortes,” handed down, from generation to generation and in multiple branches, and appearing in various parishes, and “Martinez Baca” is not a common compound surname; there has to be a reason why a Mexia-Yslas in Nochistlan would be called thus, other than a notary’s error. Bernardino Mexia-(Gonzalez) Yslas was named for his maternal grandfather, Bernardino de Yslas, whose paternal grandmother could have been Ynes Martinez Baca, which may explain why Ynes de Yslas would use this name on this partida. It falls under the normal (and convoluted!) naming practices of that era. Of course, it would be nice to find at least one more document with Ynes de Yslas using the name, but none has appeared, yet.

Great work, David! And though it was off- subject, thanks for picking up that ball and scoring what may be a golazo for many of us!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

PS Please excuse the soccer analogies - I watched the Copa del Rey yesterday, and I am always super impressed by FC Barcelona’s tapestry-like teamwork.

While being thorough, I have spotted a conflict among Holcombe’s letters regarding my theories about the parentage of Francisco Gonzalez (husband of Magdalena de Lavezaris).

Holcombe’s letters as they appear here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Distribution%20(Mary%20Lou%20Montagna).doc?dl=0

On page 113 says:

“Bernardino’s parents come next on the Tree. Francisco González Martínez and Magdalena de Labesares. He came from Matabuena, Obispado de Segovia, in Spain, a son of Pedro Martínez and María González. Two brothers married in Aguascalientes.” This conflicts with what Holcombe says in his notes pg 8: “A probable other son of Juan Lozano and Inés Martínez was Francisco González Martínez.”

However, just because it appears in Holcombe’s letters does not mean it should be taken as the Alpha and Omega. I have spotted other minor errors in Holcombe’s letters unrelated to the topics in this forum. As such, Holcombe’s letters should invite new themes of inquiry rather than stand as the final authority on the topic at hand. So until I know of a primary resource that specifically states that Francisco Gonzalez’s parents are a Pedro Martinez and Maria Gonzalez, I am still inclined to believe that his parents are Juan Lozano and Inez Martinez Baca y Gonzalez, of which the evidence I have previously posted supports.

On another thorough note, I have a problem with Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) always appearing as Maria “Gonzalez de Isla” in forums and internet trees. I think the source of Maria appearing with “Gonzalez de Isla” originates with her appearing that way in the publications of Somos Primos in October of 1992 [Somos Primos, Volumes 1-10, (Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research, 1990 ), pg. 47.] (Holcombe references the same source in his letters pgs. 6-8. [there are some minor errors among Holcombe’s corrections to Somos Primos, but that is not important to this topic].)

As far as I have seen, the baptisms, marriage, info. mat.s, wills, and burials of her children only ever have her appearing as “Maria de Isla.” I think the actual source of “Gonzalez de Isla” comes from the marriage of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Lavezaris. Here, “Gonzlez de Isla” appears among their descendants for several generations, but nowhere have I seen this name appearing in this form among the descendants of Christobal Martinez Lozano and Maria de Isla.

If anybody has seen the contrary, please let me know. A stone I have left unturned here is that I have not seen the will of Christobal Martinez Lozano first hand. Does anyone know how Maria de Isla appears in this record? Does it name her parents? (In the Somos Primos publication Maria de Isla’s father is named as a “Blas de Isla.” I wonder if he is the same person as Benito de Isla, or a different person altogether. Where did the Somos Primos publication get that information?)

Opinions…evidence to prove or refute…please let me know…

Regards,

David

P.S. Has anyone seen where the information of Christobal Martinez Lozano (husband of Maria de Isla) having a natural son named Nicolas Lozano comes from. Does it come from his will perhaps?

Hola primos,

SEGOVIA & JAIME’S “CARTAS”

David, the Segovia origin for Francisco Gonzalez Martinez came to mind, after I left my last post, and I thought about editing it in, but I was in a rush and figured someone else would mention it. I’m glad you mentioned it.

Regarding Holcombe’s “Cartas,” I had a similar conversation with another NR member, and we agreed, that though we think they’re indispensable for this work, one still needs to verify. I feel the same way about all published works. Plus, every once in a while, a document comes along that changes everything we thought we knew about someone. Case in point: the Gonzalez de Hermosillo of Los Altos, coming over from Guadalcanal, instead of descending from the conquistador in DF.

“Lozano” and “Ynes Martinez Baca” appearing in the Gonzalez de Isla line still makes the possibility worth looking into, that Francisco Gonzalez Martinez descends from that line. I’m researching every “Ynes” descendant, 3-4 generations, to see if the ancestral name appears again.

YNES GONZALEZ MARTINEZ

And speaking of Ynes, do any of you have this person as a daughter of Francisco Gonzalez Martinez & Magdalena de Lavezaris? While dredging the Nochistlan baptisms, I glimpsed the name “Ynes Gonzalez Martinez,” married to Juan Gonzalez Hidalgo, padrinos for Juan, son of Diego Gonzalez de Ysla and Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval 07 Apr 1648, Nochistlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-15730-19?cc=1804458&wc=MC7Z-TNY:147337401,147337402,147337403

And last night, as I was looking through my list of dispensas to play with, I came upon one annotated “good one”; not knowing why I had written that, it being months since I made the list, I opened it up, and received an easter egg:

21 Apr 1725 dispensa for Santiago de Cuevas and Michaela Gonzalez Bermejo; 4o grado por ser bisnietos de dos hermanas que fueron Ynes y Andrea Gonzalez [de Yslas]. Genealogy given (but not the names of mates):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-34726-33?cc=1874591&wc=M99L-K3C:1101474124

PARENTESCO:
Ynes Gonzalez-1-Andrea Gonzalez
Bernabe Gonzalez-2-Tomas Gonzalez
Ynes Gonzalez-3-Cristobal Gonzalez
Santiago de Cuevas-4-Micaela Gonzalez Bermejo

I’ll place my money on Juan Gonzalez Hidalgo being a brother of Marcos Gonzalez Hidalgo.

BENITO DE LA ISLA-LAVEZARIS

Returning to the focus of this thread. First of all, I’m also from the camp that believes Benito de la Isla was a nephew of Gobernador Guido de Lavezaris; besides the fact that Benito’s mother was a Lavezaris, there’s also a real cedula, found at PARES-AGIS, dated 23 Nov 1556, giving Guido de Lavezares (sic) permission to take a nephew and a doncella with him to Indies; though the record isn’t digitized, and his nephew nor the doncella are named in the index, we know that Benito de la Isla and Juana Bernal arrived with Guido the following year. I suspect Benito was still a youth, maybe in his early teens.

I’ve been reading up on the Lavezaris, in “La impresion y el comercio de libros en Sevilla S. XVI,” by Maria del Carmen Alvarez Marquez. I have the book, but you can read pertinent extracts here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=XbMy57T-03AC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

To find the entries about them, use the search engine: Lavezaris

The Lavezaris were booksellers, Guido de Lavezaris El Viejo from Genova, immigrates to Sevilla and sets up shop; marries sevillana Eugenia de Perea and they are the parents of Sebastian de Lavezaris, who married Catalina de Chavez, and in segundos, he married Luisa Bernal (there’s probably a link to the doncella, Juana Bernal, who arrived with Guido’s entourage).

In 1531, future-governor Guido de Lavezaris went to Mexico, contracted for 4 years to sell books. So, we know the family had a presence in the Americas as early as 1531. I don’t think he went alone.

At PARES-AGIS, there’s a record for Luis de Lavezaris, given permission to pass 04 Jul 1531; he’s son of Sebastian de Lavezaris and Catalina de Chavez. That’s the date given for Guido’s passage, so this may be his record, or it may be a sibling.

There are 3 real cedulas, dated 11 Mar 1531, giving permission to pass slaves to Indies to Guido de Labazares, Sebastian de Labazares, and Magdalena de Labazares. According to Alvarez Marquez, Sebastian de Lavezaris (father of Guido and Magdalena) probably died before 1508, so this is likely his son.

At first, I thought this Magdalena de Lavezares might be a daughter of Guido, but he was probably age 20 when he passed to Indies, so this is likely his sister, and future mother of Benito de la Isla. We don’t know if she was married at the time, do we? I doubt it. She and her other siblings probably returned to Sevilla with Guido, when his contract expired, because I’ve never seen anyone by that name during my research in DF - by the way, have any of you found any Lavezaris (in all of its various spellings) living in Mexico, who didn’t descend from Benito de la Isla? It’s such a rare surname, but at the same time, when hispanicized (as in the above “Juro a favor…”), it becomes a toponymic: de Bezares, La Rioja.

I think all of the Lavezaris returned to Spain, probably by 1540. At PARES, Archivo General de Simancas, Contaduria Mayor de Hacienda, there’s a document dated second-half of the 16th century:

“Juro a favor de Magdalena de Besares, Bartolomé de Isla, Sebastián Besares y Bernardina de Isla de 3.447 maravedís.”

Again, the document isn’t viewable, but I’d wager these are the heirs of Bernardino de la Isla - mother and siblings of Benito de la Isla, and all living in Spain.

I don' have the document regarding Cristobal Martin Lozano's hijo natural.

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

There have been errors in what Jaime Holcombe Isunza has deduced. It has happened more than once proven by records he hadn't known about out or skipped over for whatever reason. He did all of his work before the Internet and through the Archivo General de la Nación, and not LDS, as well as going to the churches themselves. All genealogists have made mistakes. I still haven't found a genealogist that hasn't made one. The primary records should always be searched for.

The reason I had brought up Jaime's letters is because they are what so many people base their information on, including the trees at Ancestry.com mentioned in the original post of this thread, and he does include information about primary records that weren't microfilmed. So at times the letters provide clues to primary records that need to be searched for elsewhere such as "Juana Navarro, wife of Benito de Isla, was buried in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651. The albaceas of her will were Antonio de Ruvalcaba and Miguel Martínez de Alarcón, vecinos de Teocaltiche. This information was extracted from an unmicrofilmed death record in Teocaltiche."

My inclusion of Jaime's letters was never meant for them to be used as the final authority on the topic at hand. On the contrary, it was meant so that his findings could be picked apart.

Well said, Armando. I consider Jaime's work an extremely useful roadmap, and indispensable, as I said.

This isn't a perfect science: besides losts or damaged documents, poor caligraphy and inconsistant orthography, there's the foggy memories of old testigos.

Quick question, and somewhat related to this thread: which Catalina Cortes is this?

Cathalina Cortes, cofrada del Santisimo Sacramento: Catalina Cortes, Espanola, died in Mexticacan 07 May 1652. Left no testament, but she did a memoria "before the judge, in which she declared a quantity of pesos owed her, and ordered some masses said. Buried in said church with open casket & vigil. Right image bottom:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-JD6:104053753

The wives of Juan de Sandoval and Mateo de Rubalcava died at later dates; could this be the wife of Geronimo de Benavides? She'd be around 100 years-old, according to my estimate.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I've been really following this post with a lot of interest since I
recently traced myself to Antonio Trillo and Mariana Villalpando and on
their marriage it says Mariana Villalpando is the daughter of Ysabel Lozano
Gardea and so I'm really interested in posts about the Lozano's and
learning where Ysabel Lozano Gardea fits in. I don't know much about these
families and don't have much to contribute, but, I located this document
recently looking up information on Nueva Galicia and I noticed it mentions
Magdelena Lavezares.

http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf

Danny C. Alonso

Hello, Danny,

My husband's 5th great-grandmother is Maria de San Juan Belasco Trillo. Her parents were Antonio Trillo and Mariana Villalpando. Maria married Nicolas Garcia, and my husband's name is Antonio Carlos Garcia. Thanks for the new info.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 00:53:34 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christobal Martinez Lozano (I) & Francisco Gonzalez as Brothers
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> I've been really following this post with a lot of interest since I
> recently traced myself to Antonio Trillo and Mariana Villalpando and on
> their marriage it says Mariana Villalpando is the daughter of Ysabel Lozano
> Gardea and so I'm really interested in posts about the Lozano's and
> learning where Ysabel Lozano Gardea fits in. I don't know much about these
> families and don't have much to contribute, but, I located this document
> recently looking up information on Nueva Galicia and I noticed it mentions
> Magdelena Lavezares.
>
> http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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