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MAGDALENO: ¿Magdaleno de Mendoza? o ¿Mejia Magdaleno?

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By jrefugioghermosillo - Posted on 02 October 2014

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He descubierto algo muy interesante, ¿a lo mejor tendra alguien mas informacion sobre esta linea?

En mis lineas tengo a Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, radicados en Jalostotitlan. Desciendo de su hija Maria Alvarez, casada con Joseph Macias de Ayala en Aguascalientes en 1703.

Segun la genealogia dada en el siguiente blog, Diego Magdaleno es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y de Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I es hijo de Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) y de Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno nacio en Tordesillas en el 1554, hijo de Alonso Mejia y de Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Pasaron a Indias Geronimo e Isabel en el 1583, acompañados por su hija Francisca Mejia Magdaleno y su esposo Juan Salceda Andrade. Vivian en Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apellidos-arozena-santos-y-magdaleno/

Da la misma genealogia Guillermo Lohmann Villena en su “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=geronimo+mejia+magdaleno&source=bl&ots=Qdpy_g4K7e&sig=7Bi9zgYfm-aJaHUizH6kk5ZmDlE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TnEpVI3DF4e4ogTYg4G4BQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=geronimo%20mejia%20magdaleno&f=false

Se base esta genealogia en la Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre de un nieto de Geronimo Magdaleno, el Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda, hijo de Juan Salceda Andrade y de Francisca Mejia Magdaleno. Se realizo la Prueba en el año 1651 y en España, lejos de Valladolid, Michoacan:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

Tengo dudas sobre esta genealogia. En ni uno de los demas documentos encontrados en los PARES-AGIS, tratando de los Magdaleno en Valladolid durante aquella epoca, sale el apellido compuesto "Mejia Magdaleno"; lo que si sale es "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

Y mas, segun la confirmacion de oficio de Geronimo Magdaleno cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en 1602, dice que su padre es FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, que estaba casado con Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

Hay mas: al mirar los archivos de FamilySearch en Morelia entre los años 1594-1621, ni sale el nombre de Isabel de Soria como esposa de Geronimo Magdaleno, sino el de Maria Cecilia Patiño (hija del Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Ni salen los apellidos "Escudero" ni "Soria," como era normal dar a por lo menos una hija el apellido maternal para no perderlo.

Entonces, ¿es posible que hay dos Geronimo Magdaleno Regidores de Valladolid, Michoacan, con hijas nombradas Francisca casadas con Juan Salceda? Por lo citado, solo hay uno y es hijo de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza y casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño (tal vez con Isabel de Soria en 1o?), y que la genealogia de los Magdaleno dada en la Prueba de 1651 es falsa o por lo menos falta una generacion; que se equivocaron los testigos o mentieron.

Mira, de la Prueba de 1651, sale el arbol asi:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, ella 1560, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (paso a Indias en 1583, ya casada, ¿cuando su madre tenia 23 años?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (27-30 años en 1651:b. 1621-1624)

Y de mis investigaciones, mis fuentes siendo PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, y "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" por Heriberto Moreno Garcia, parece asi:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian en Valladolid, Mich; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño. En Mexico, 1590-1600 (aunque puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, hacia 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda (b. 1621-1624)

Falta una generacion en la genealogia de la Prueba de 1651, y que no es posible que Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno ya estaban casados en 1583, cuando solo tenia la madre de ella 23 años. Mas, su hijo Nicolas Salceda tenia 16 años cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en el 1658 (b. 1641-2).

Para orientarnos:

Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño bautizaron a:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Se ven sus nombres y los de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza con frecuencia en los bautismos y matrimonios en Morelia entre 1597 y 1611, como padrinos o testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade y Francisca Magdaleno bautizaron a Joseph, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

El Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado del partido de Juchitlan cuando fallecio 15 Jun 1624, en Valladolid, Mich. Era bachiller cuando bautiso a una nina llamada Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, sus padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. Por eso lo tengo como hijo de Francisco y de Elvira.

El Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado de Aguacana en Abr 1624 y en May 1625. Fue padrino de Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, su madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. Pueden ser hijos los dos de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza, o ella hermana de Elvira.

Busco documentacion (fuente primaria o por lo menos desde Mexico: bautismos, matrimonios, defunciones, IMes, dispensas) sobre ellos y sobre los siguientes:
- Geronimo Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria.
- Diego Magdaleno casado con Lorenza de Ovalle.
- Que Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y Lorenza de Ovalle.

Segun Moreno Garcia en "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza tenia un hermano, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, que tenia dos hijos, sin nombrar a la madre: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, los dos clerigos. Cita a "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," por Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Tendra un ejemplo alguien?

Gracias antemano,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I have Diego Magdaleno married to Mariana de Aguirre in my lines.

According to the genealogy given in this blog, Diego Magdaleno is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I is son of Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) and Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno was born in 1554 in Tordesillas, Castilla, son of Alonso Mejia and Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Geronimo and Isabel passed to Indies in 1583, accompanied by their daughter, Francisca Mejia Magdaleno and her husband Juan Salceda Andrade. They lived in Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apellidos-arozena-santos-y-magdaleno/

Guillermo Lohmann Villena gives the same genealogy in his “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=geronimo+mejia+magdaleno&source=bl&ots=Qdpy_g4K7e&sig=7Bi9zgYfm-aJaHUizH6kk5ZmDlE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TnEpVI3DF4e4ogTYg4G4BQ&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=geronimo%20mejia%20magdaleno&f=false

This genealogy is based on the Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre of a grandson of Geronimo Magdaleno, Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia, son of Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno. The Proof was conducted in Spain in 1651, and not in Valladolid Mich:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

I have doubts about this genealogy; in none of the other documents found at PARES AGIS, regarding the Magdaleno of Valladolid during this time period, is there mention of the compound surname "Mejia Magdaleno; instead, we find "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

And more, on the Confirmacion de Oficio of Geronimo Magdaleno, when he was named Regidor of Valladolid in 1602, it says his father was FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, who was married to Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

There's more: when looking through the archives of Morelia, Mich, for the years 1594-1621, Isabel de Soria does not appear as the wife of Geronimo Magdaleno, instead, we find Maria Cecilia de Patiño (daughter of Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Nor do the surnames "Escudero" or "Soria" appear in any of the Magdaleno lines in Valladolid, as it was the norm to give at least one heir a lost maternal surname.

Is it possible there were two Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno's, who both had daughters named Francisca married to Juan Salceda Andrade? According to what I've cited, there was only one, and hd was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, and he was married to Maria Cecilia Patiño (although possible with Isabel de Soria in 1o), and that the genealogy given in the Prueba of 1651 is wrong or at least skips a generation: the witnesses were wrong, or they lied.

Look, according to the Prueba of 1651, the tree looks like this:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo, Zamora)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (passed to Indies 1583, already married, when her mother was only 23?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

And from my research, my sources being PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, and "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" by Heriberto Moreno Garcia, it looks like this:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (el, ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patino. En Mexico hacia 1590 (puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, ca 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

The Prueba of 1651 skips a generation, and there's no way Juan Salceda and Francisca Magdaleno were married before 1583, when their son Nicolas Salcedo was only 16 when he was named Regidor in 1658 (b. 1641-2).

To establish a timeline and orient ourselves:

Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño baptized:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Their names, along with those of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, are seen frequently in the baptisms and marriages in Morelia between 1597 & 1611, as padrinos or testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno baptized Josepha, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza, was beneficiado of the partido de Juchitlan when he died 15 Jun 1624, in Valladolid. He was a bachiller when he baptized a child named Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, her padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. For this reason, I have him as a son of Francisco & Elvira.

Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza was beneficiado de Aguacana in Abr 1624 and May 1625. He was padrino for Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. They could be children of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, or she Elvira;s sister.

Does anybody have any documentation that would support the Mejia Magdaleno genealogy? Looking for documentation (preferably primary source: baptism, marriage or death - and from Mexico!), that shows:
Geronimo Magdaleno married to Isabel de Soria.
Diego Magdaleno married Lorenza de Ovalle.
That Diego Magdaleno, married to Mariana de Aguirre, is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle

According to Moreno Garcia in "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza had a brother, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, who had two sons: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, both were clerics. He cites "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," by Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Would anyone have access to a copy?

Thank you in advance,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.176//MEXICO,176,N.30
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: GERONIMO MADALENO
1602-7-18
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de regidor de Valladolid, en Michoacan a Gerónimo Madaleno. Resuelto

ES.41091.AGI/29.7.19//PATRONATO,293,N.24,R.34
NOMBRAMIENTO DE REGIDOR
1602-8-1 Valladolid
Real Provisión nombrando regidor de la ciudad de Valladolid de la provincia de Michoacán a Jerónimo Magdaleno, por fallecimiento de Juan Martínez de Berdusco. (Copia)

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.264//MEXICO,263,N.112
Inventario de bienes: Magdaleno de Mendoza, Jerónimo
1623-1-16 Valladolid
Autos del inventario de bienes de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza, vecino y regidor de la ciudad de Valladolid, provincia de Michoacán.
Actuados ante Fernando de Bocanegra, alcalde mayor de la ciudad de Valladolid, en Michoacán.

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.182//MEXICO,182,N.59
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: JUAN DE SALCEDA ANDRADA
1623-9-25
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de alguacil mayor de Valladolid de Michoacán a Juan de Salceda Andrada. Resuelto

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.182//MEXICO,182,N.96
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: JERÓNIMO MAGDALENO DE MENDOZA
1625-8-13
Expediente de confirmación del oficio de regidor y depositario general de Valladolid Michoacán a Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza.
Resuelto

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.241//MEXICO,241,N.24
Informaciones: Pedro de Salceda y Andrade (hijo de Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza)
1649
Informaciones de oficio y parte: Pedro de Salceda y Andrade, bachiller, clérigo presbítero, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán. Con parecer de la Audiencia

ES.41091.AGI/23.15.188//INDIFERENTE,194,N.43
MÉRITOS: Pedro de Salceda
1651-3-4
Relación de méritos y servicios del bachiller Pedro de Salceda, clérigo presbítero, cura beneficiado de la iglesia de Pasquaro (provincia de Michoacán), hijo de Juan de Salcedo Andrade y de Francisca Magdalena de Mendoza.
Referencias:
-Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza, regidor de Valladolid de Michoacán.
-Juan de la Paraya, secretario de la Inquisición de Nueva España.
-Capitán Jerónimo de Salceda.
Observaciones:
Ampliada hasta 25 de noviembre de 1655.

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.188//MEXICO,188,N.25
1658-3-26
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de depositario general y regidor de Valladolid en Michoacán a Nicolás de Salceda. Resuelto

Hi Manny,

I too descend from this couple through their son Simon Magdaleno m. Josefa Guzman and daughter Andrea Alvarez and her second husband Francisco de Chavez.

I also have read the Magdaleno genealogy listed in the genealogias.wordpress.com blog and just like you have not found any supporting record or source that confirms the information in the blog. I did add Diego (I) and Lorenza de Ovalle as (unconfirmed) parents of Diego m. Mariana de Aguirre since some of the daughters of Diego and Mariana used the Ovalle surname.

Thanks
Austin Perez

Thanks, Austin,

I've left them in my tree unconfirmed, as well, and for the same reason.

I agree, Diego II is son of Diego I and Lorenza de Ovalle, for the reasons you mention. But is Diego I the son of Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza? Or his brother, as suggested in Moreno Garcia's book? In which case, Diego II took his orders (he could've left the Order - it'd have to be that way, since Mariana de Aguirre died a widow).

I still have Isabel de Soria, as well; perhaps Maria Cecilia Patino was Geronimo's 2nd wife. Until I learn otherwise, I'll have her tentatively as the mother of Francisca Magdaleno and Diego Magdaleno I.

This is my first line that I've researched in Valladolid/Morelias, and I'm impressed by the collection at FamilySearch. It helps that the Magdaleno's were so prominent, as well as active. I've found 20 instances of Francisco Magdaleno, acting as padrino or testigo, between 1595 and 1610, either with or without Elvira de Mendoza.

What I find uncanny is that the 1651 Prueba is wrong: we've all seen this before, in many dispensas - the memories of testigos can be fuzzy, and maybe these ones forgot a generation (if Francisco Magdaleno is even a Mejia Magdaleno, from Tordesillas). But for so many testigos to get it wrong? And on a Limpieza de Sangre, for joining such a prestigious order? Maybe the investigators "led" the testigos, showing them a diagram and asking them if they agreed? Who knows. Part of me thinks it was on purpose: perhaps his advocates doctored the limpieza, and said he descended from another branch of the family, to ensure Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda was accepted into the Order. Why? The only thing I can think of: Francisco Magdaleno or Elvira de Mendoza or Maria Cecilia Patino had Conversos in their lines, which would make Geronimo ineligible to join the Order. Pure conjecture, but it sounds cool!

Thanks again, and for your work, which I always reference to see if I'm going in the right direction!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

Here’s more on Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno - he was the beneficiado of Aguacana (or Guacana) and Churumucho, from at least 1624 to 1644. His name disappears from the records around then, so he might have passed away. And he would use the surname "Magdaleno de Liebana," so he’s probably a son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle:

Morelia > Diócesis de Michoacán > Gobierno 1624-1669 > image 14 of 1236.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19273-24149-43?cc=1883388&wc=MC8K-VW5:178285301,219800301,219800302

And as I mentioned, he was padrinos with Geronima de Mendoza for a child on 19 Feb 1607; he didn’t wear a title, so he hadn’t taken his vows yet, and was probably still a mozo. I place his birth in the early 1590s. If he is a son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle, that places their births around 1560-70, so Diego would be a brother of Geronimo Magdaleno and not his son, as the wordpress genealogy has him.

Heriberto Moreno quotes G. Ibarrola Arriaga in his “Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala”:

“En lo que es el mismo portal de Galeana, Jeronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza, en 1610, adquirio una casa que no tardo en convertirse en albergue de concurridas fiestas y alegres saraos (…) En contraste, un hermano suyo, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, pasaba por el altivo caballero que sentia hervir la sangre por conquistar tierras desconocidas. Asi se adentro en Tierra Caliente, donde establecio haciendas ganaderas que lo elevaron al hombre mas rico de la comarca. Para acrecentar el contrapeso a la vida boyante y aventurera de la familia, los descendientes de Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza salieron mas que monacales. Los dos hijos, Diego Magdaleno y Juan de Lievana, y tambien un nieto, Francisco Jimenez, acabaron de sacerdotes agustinos. Las otras dos nietas se enclaustraron en el convento de Santa Catalina y alla de llamaron Maria de la Encarnacion y Teresa de Jesus.”

Moreno doesn’t name the wife of Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza (I’m sure Ibarrola does), but we can assume that she is Lorenza de Ovalle, since she is supposedly the mother of Juan de Liebana (a cleric) and Diego Magdaleno (who would marry Mariana de Aguirre). I still haven’t seen “Juan de Liebana” in the Morelia records, perhaps he presided in a different parish, or perhaps he and Gonzalo Magdaleno de Liebana are the same person?

Do the timelines fit?

Thanks,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

Hi Manny

The early Patzcuaro records show a Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno, escribano publico, married to Maria Maldonado. I did not find any record that connects this Gonzalo Magdaleno to the Magdaleno's of Valladolid. Though, the baptism record for Gonzalo and Maria's daughter Marta is very interesting in that it lists the priest who performed tha baptism as fray Juan de Lievana "vicario que ala era del dicho convento [San Agustin]". Could this be the Juan de Lievana, son of Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza?

Hasto pronto.
Austin Perez

Hello Austin,

That must be him and it would explain why he doesn’t appear in the Valladolid/Morelia archives of that period - he was in Patzcuaro.

Here’s another: 8 Dec 1625, Patzcuaro, Padre Maestro Fray Juan de Liebana de la Orden de San Agustin, presiding over the marriage of Miguel de Urria(?) and Maria de la Cerna:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18745-47661-59?cc=1883388&wc=M99L-5P4

DIEGO MAGDALENO Y MARIANA DE AGUIRRE

Again, I’m trying to fix a timeline on this couple. The 1679 Jalostotitan Padron has them living with one other person, Alonso de Aguirre (does anyone know who he is?); none of their known children are listed, so, Diego & Mariana were either newlyweds, or the children had already moved out. I think the former, since it fits better into the timelines of their children, who would then all be born after 1679, placing the marriage of Diego & Mariana around 1678-79.

What’s your opinion in regards? (that is an open question to the community)

I was going through the early Jalostotitlan defunciones and came upon a couple of records regarding a Diego Magdaleno, living in San Juan in the late-1660s:

18 Jan 1668, Jalostotitlan: Angel/San Juan (…) murió un niño, hijo de Diego Magdaleno.

And 16 days later:

3 Feb 1668, Jalototitlan: Juana de la Trinidad, Española/San Juan (…) casada que era con Diego Magdaleno. No testo por aun estar con sus padres y no tener de que.

Both are on img31R:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-50786-12?cc=1874591&wc=SS22-FM9:171932801,171930902,172924101

The first doesn’t give the mother’s name, and the second doesn’t say how she died, but my guess is, Juana de la Trinidad & Diego Magdaleno were newlyweds, and she tragically miscarried their first child, and died in her parents’ home some 2 weeks later. Is it possible that this Diego Magdaleno is the same who married Mariana de Aguirre? The timelines & locations fit. This would place his possible birth age 10 years earlier than I thought.

Gracias,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

Hola Austin,

A few more pieces to add to the puzzle:

From around 1604-1607, Francisco Madaleno (how they spelt their name) was Mayordomo de la Fabrica y Hospital de la Catedral de Valladolid, and his name can be found on several documents throughout those years. Here’s his signature: IMG623R
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18784-19753-46?cc=1883388&wc=MC8J-ZNL:178285301,178658501,203271101

According to PARES-AGIS, Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno was named escribano publico of Patzcuaro 06 Apr 1588, replacing Juan Fernandez Magdaleno, who had resigned. Probably his brother. The documents aren’t digitized.

The ledger of the Cofradia del Rosario, 21 Aug 1593, has Francisco Madaleno, Elvira de Mendoza and their children paying their dues: Francisco is listed as FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ MADALENO, definitely linking him to Gonzalo and Juan: IMG612L
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18784-17892-92?cc=1883388&wc=MC8J-ZNL:178285301,178658501,203271101

So, it’s not MEJIA Madaleno, it’s FERNANDEZ Madaleno. Either Francisco and Gonzalo are brothers, or Gonzalo's his son. What year was Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno's child born?

The next image 613L has a Diego Madaleno and his wife, Ana Gutierrez de Osuana?:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18784-17893-93?cc=1883388&wc=MC8J-ZNL:178285301,178658501,203271101

Argh. “Diego Madaleno” is like “John Smith” in colonial Michoacan! Since they don’t mention “sus hijos,” they were probably a young couple.

I’ve also located Fray Diego Madaleno, the other son of Diego Madaleno de Mendoza and brother of Ldo. Juan de Liebana, who also became an Augustin. This is from 1607, he was Procurador of the Convento de San Agustin:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18870-66743-66?cc=1883388&wc=MC8J-ZPD:178285301,178658501,203276501

And here are the minutes from a cofradia election, with the signature of Geronimo Madaleno de Mendoza, IMG9R
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19301-29982-23?cc=1883388&wc=MC8F-BNT:178285301,178658501,181858001

TORRES DE TREMIÑO

According to her Bienes de Difuntos, Elvira de Mendoza was married first to Juan de Torres Tremiño; I’ve seen a Juan de Torres in early Valladolid archives, I wonder if he’s the same person? And there has to be a link with Alcaide Diego de Velasco.

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

I guess my eyes were tired when I looked at it, but img613L says Diego Madaleno and his wife Ana Gutierrez de Liebana, which makes her the obvious mother of Fray’s Juan de Lievana and Diego Madaleno, and more than likely, Ldo. Gonzalo Madaleno de Lievana.

Saludos

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

Hi Manny

Thanks for the information.

Regarding the family of Gonzalo Madaleno and Maria Maldonado, I found the following baptism records in the Patzcuaro records:

1. Marta baptism record dated 5 July 1599
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76319-32?cc=1883388&wc=MC84-DN5:178768101,178768102,178768103

2. Beatriz baptized 4 Nov.1606
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76166-33?cc=1883388&wc=MC84-DN5:178768101,178768102,178768103

3. Ana baptized Jan. 1610
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18621-76378-37?cc=1883388&wc=MC84-DN5:178768101,178768102,178768103

Austin Perez

You're welcome, Austin, and thank you. Those dates would make Gonzalo Fernandez Magdaleno a contemporary of Regidor Geronimo Madaleno, and if that cofradia ledger wasn't a notary's mistake, perhaps his brother.

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

I was reading through the Wikipedia entry for “Casta”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#Purity_of_Blood_and_the_Evolution_of_the_Sistema_de_Castas

“Spaniards became obsessed with lineage, particularly since evidence of lack of purity of blood had consequences for marriage, eligibility for office, entrance into the priesthood, and emigration to Spain's overseas territories. The necessity to produce genealogical records to prove one's pure ancestry gave rise to a trade in the creation of false genealogies.”
Martinez, Genealogical Fictions, p. 266-67.

Wow. So, the need for doctored genealogies was great enough to create a trade. In light of the fact that Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, I’d say Geronimo Magdaleno Sauceda’s Limpieza de Sangre is a forgery, and a very elaborate one, at that. Have any of you read it? It’s pages & pages of numerous testigos - clerics, knights, officials, and all of them giving the Mejia-Magdaleno Escudero pedigree. I wonder if the Sauceda y Andrade lines are doctored, as well?

This stresses the importance of verifying and verifying and verifying.

This also tells us that either Francisco Magdaleno or Elvira de Mendoza likely had Conversos in their lines, as did Maria Cecilia Patiño, since she is also excluded.

Food for thought.

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/jrefugioghermosillo

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