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By Visitor - Posted on 13 January 2014

I just been wondering what is know about Carlos Lomellin. I am a decedent of him through his son Lucas. I have research him and from other post that I have seen I know that he worked on the mines? I know that he came from Genoa Italy. Nobody seems to know who his parents were. Is this because Carlos is a dead end or because nobody has research the records in Italy? 

Yeah I definitely remember you...It was the Orange Family History Center if memory serves me right. You had data on Toribio Hernandez de Arellano & Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and a whole lot more. But I, like you also, have had my ups and downs, and ins and outs with genealogy. Sometimes this passion has to cede its place to other more pressing concerns of life, as with me over the past...oh say 3 years. But I too am rebounding and making a come back.

But in regards to our Lomelin/Lomelllini ancestry, when I downloaded the book "Genealogie delle famiglie nobili di Genova" written by Natale Battilana [download at http://books.google.com/books?id=wdA7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PR4&lpg=PR4&dq=Genealogie+delle+famiglie+nobili+di+Genova&source=bl&ots=ldr6vC2efb&sig=N6eLOfhH3VKlVpsE0ICuehQ-nug&hl=en&sa=X&ei=79HoUsXLK8TxoATUooFw&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Genealogie%20delle%20famiglie%20nobili%20di%20Genova&f=false], and opened the PDF file I located the entire Lomellini chapter from page 479 to pg. 528 of 576. I read the introductory heading regarding the history and origin of the family and it was basically what has been widely reported. Carlos Lomellini is by default a descendant of "Vasallo da Lumello, Console di Genova nell'anno 1197".

You were spot on concerning the precise lineage from Vassallo da Lumello all the way down to the Carlo Lomellini were are suspecting based on the records of "gli carte nobiliari" is OUR Carlo Lomellini.

Based on what I read and what you had already presented you hit the nail right on the head. I think for once we may have something here people. The legend of the slave trade, or the "slave" rumor, is indeed a persistent family legend. What a coincidence that in the most trustworthy sources available on the matter point almost directly to Carlos Lomellini, son of Vincenzo Lomellin & Porzia, "schiava, poi moglie" (slave, later wife). From what I have gathered the "1587" that all the kids of Vincenzo Lomellin & Porzia - Carlo, Catterina, Livia, Lavinia, Isabella, and Gironima - have over their names, means they were all alive that year when they were mentioned in some family document or record, probably a last will and testament. So Carlo Lomellini was already alive in 1587, as were all his sisters. And sisters mind you, not brothers named Luigi nor Giovanni-Battista Lomellini. I have been asking myself...D'ove stanno questi fratelli d'il nostro Carlo Lomellini?

So the lineage you gave a while back with all those wonderful sounding Italian Genoese names is most likely our ancestral lineage. I have already begun the task of inputting the names and family connections presented by the 45 "carte nobiliari". The lineage that leads directly to Carlo Lomellin follows this course once you first download the book:

Introduction: pg. 479-483/576
Carte 1: pg. 483/576
Carte 2: pg. 484/576
Carte 8: pg. 490/576
Carte 14: pg. 496/576
Carte 16: pg. 498/576
Carte 31: pg. 513/576
Carte 32: pg. 514/576
End: pg. 528/576

In summary, the two lines of descent from Vasallo da Lumello, Console di Genova, to Carlo Lomellini are as follows:

1 Vasallo da Lumello, Console di Genova - Born: 1150 - 1160 in Lombardia, Italia. - Residence: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1198 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
. 2 Ansaldo da Lumello - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1248 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..... 3 Simone da Lumello Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: 1253 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
........... +Giulia - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-
........ 4 Pietrino da Lumello - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1287 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.............. +Tomasina - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
............ 5 Leonello da Lumello (Lenello Lomellini) - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1343 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..................+Caterina Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............... 6 Napoleone Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................... 7 Niccolo Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Bef. 1430 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
......................... +Luchina Lercari Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1430 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Domenico Lercari
...................... 8 [2] Franca (Francesca) Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia ............................ +[1] Tobia Lomellini Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-Father: Tobia Lomellini Mother: Orietta
.......................... 9 [3] Giacomo Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: 1465 - 1469 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................ +[4] Battina Grillo - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1480 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Giorgio Grillo
............................. 10 [5] Tobia Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Bef. 1518 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................... +[6] Giorgietta Gentile - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia - Father: Stefano Gentile
................................. 11 [7] Giacomo Lomellini - Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.................................... 12 [8] Vincenzo Lomellini Born: ca. 1540 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
.......................................... +[9] Porzia "schiava, poi moglie" Born: ca. 1551
........................................ 13 [10] Carlo Lomellini Note: Carlo Lomellini (o en español, Carlos Lomelín); originario del reino italiano de Génova; pasó a Indias a los inicios del Siglo XVII, llegando a ser vecino de la feligresía de Nochistlán. Genearca de una vasta rama de la familia Lomelín (o Lomelí). Note 2: Él se casó con doña María de Benavides, española, hija legítima de N.N. (su identidad aun se ignora) y de doña Catalina Cortés, hija a su vez de don Gerónimo de Benavides y de doña Catalina Cortés. - Born: ca. 1584 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Residence: in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México Died: Unknown

........ 4 Oberto da Lumello- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Aft. 1292 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.............. +Angela- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Unknown
............ 5 Benedetto Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
.................. +Gioffredina- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia ............... 6 Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
..................... +Orietta- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-
................... 7 [1] Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia--
.........................+[2] Franca (Francesca) Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Father: Niccolo Lomellini Mother: Luchina Lercari
...................... 8 [3] Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: 1465 - 1469 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
............................ +[4] Battina Grillo- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Died: Aft. 1480 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Father: Giorgio Grillo
.......................... 9 [5] Tobia Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Bef. 1518 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia
................................ +[6] Giorgietta Gentile- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Married: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia-Father: Stefano Gentile
............................. 10 [7] Giacomo Lomellini- Born: in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia.
................................. 11 [8] Vincenzo Lomellini- Born: ca. 1540 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia- Died: Unknown
.......................................+[9] Porzia "schiava, poi moglie" - Born: ca. 1551--
.................................... 12 [10] Carlo Lomellini Note: Carlo Lomellini (o en español, Carlos Lomelín); originario del reino italiano de Génova; pasó a Indias a los inicios del Siglo XVII, llegando a ser vecino de la feligresía de Nochistlán. Genearca de una vasta rama de la familia Lomelín (o Lomelí). Note 2: Él se casó con doña María de Benavides, española, hija legítima de N.N. (su identidad aun se ignora) y de doña Catalina Cortés, hija a su vez de don Gerónimo de Benavides y de doña Catalina Cortés. Born: ca. 1584 in Genova, Repubblica di Genova, Italia Residence: in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México Died: Unknown

Based on your records, does this concur with what you have? What original documents or books have your referenced and cited? What are their titles, author, dates of publication? Do you possess copies of these records? Perhaps a random citation in a bibliography in one of those books helps unlock the mysteries even further.

What we further need to do is investigate in the archives of the Sagrarios de Guadalajara, Valladolid, y Ciudad de México to see if what documents exist that can irrefutably prove that this is the correct lineage of the Famiglia Nobile di Lomellini that became the vast Familia Lomelín de Nochistlán/Mexticacán and the rest of Los Altos de Jalisco. I'm still not 100% convinced that this is our EXACT lineage, we need proof undeniable. But it's the best we got and the furthest we have seriously gotten on this subject...so I'll take, for now.

Buona notte...Andiamo!

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Gracias portan interesante libro es genial también en estos documentos hablan de los Fregosi Fregoso o como Campofregoso y los Grimaldi que tenia entendido estaban emparentados pero solo pensé que era un mito o leyenda romántica .ahora y gracias a ustedes pues la duda podría despejarse claro que con la ayuda de un traductor hasta pronto.

Hello and you're welcome of course Rick.

My last message was directed to you upon recalling when we had met...that WAS you! Was it Orange or L.A.? It has been a while. I bet we have both been working on some BIG projects haven't we? I read you are putting together a book...can't wait to read it. As for me...I have several in the works, and I still need to find more documents and time to put it all together. Like our Lomellini lineage.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez

Hello Steve,
Nice to hear from you. I really like the manner in which you presented the information on the birthplace of the lomellinis. I really liked the way you distinguished between Genoa and the republic of Genoa. Many historians and genealogists forget that the difference between the two is similar to Mexico D.F. And Mexico the country though the republic of Genoa was not nearly as big as Mexico. I have been guilty of this myself. Many different languages were spoken in what we now consider Italy. There were different languages spoken, like Spanish and tabarchino, in parts of the republic of Genoa. Italy was a bunch of city-states, they were separate kingdoms like Aragon, Pamplona, Leon, Castile in Spain before coming together. The republic of Genoa included communities outside the city of Genoa.
Getting my information was a long story in itself that would fill a book. A lot of the documents are from a private library and are not from a book. The major citation is my unpublished book since many of the documents that I reference are not published. These documents were in a private library for centuries in Italy. Theses documents are not completely original as now I see a lot of the same information in other documents and books like the one you recommended, "Genealogie delle famiglie nobili di Genova" by Nattale Battilana. I wonder if they had the same sources or if one was the source of the other. It took some convincing to get access to them. I do not have access to them right now because the owners of the documents are very protective of their documents and are not allowing access to them as they are in the process of scanning and organizing the documents.

Another reference that I cite is "Napoli e Islam: storie de musulman schiava e rinnegati in eta moderna" by Giuliana Boccadano.
This book provides the information on when Porzia is baptized and that she belongs to Vincenzo Lomellini. The book also clarifies that "Porzia musulmana convertita al cristianesimo." Porzia was not black but you did not have to be black to be a slave in the 1500's in Europe and around the Mediterranean. One of Carlos distant cousins, Francesco Lomellini, also white, was actually taken as a slave while he was traveling in Turkey. Traveling was not always safe in those times. I saw the movie Captain Phillips last night, so I guess i can say it isn't always safe to travel in today's world. The Lomellini family was deeply involved in trade where family members would travel with the shipment of goods and make sure transactions were completed as planned.

I was not sure where to begin when I began my Lomellini research so I started off with the persistent rumors about Carlos Lomellini ancestors being businessman involved with slaves. I discovered that many of the Lomellini of the 14th through 17 centuries were businessman that liked to corner the market and discourage competition. they later went into banking with many of the Genoese families that intermarried. Some of the Lomellini men really stood out. One of these impressive businessmen was Marco Lomellini who had his hand in many enterprises and much contact with the Lomellini's from Portugal to Italy even though he was often based in the middle of the two, Spain. I went after everything that I could find on Marco Lomellini, Looking for info on him led me to these documents that were kept in a Italian family library for centuries.

Even though I used the 1584 date to guide my research because so many people cite it as Carlos's birth year, I now believe that we need to change this date to reflect the data provided. I believe that 1584 date is given in the belief that he had to been born at least by this date for his voyage to the new world in the early 1600's.
Even though the dates you give for Vincenzo Lomellini, Porzia, and Carlo Lomellini are all possible given the information we have on these people, I believe that these dates should be adjusted with the new data concerning Porzia.
I believe a birth date c. 1530 for Vincenzo Lomellin, a birth date c. 1540 for Porzia, and a birthdate c.1570 for Carlo Lomellini would be more accurate. Vincenzo is the owner of Porzia in 1551 so I believe he must have been at least 21 by then. Porzia is not an infant when she is baptized. she is a convert and has already been a practicing Muslim. If she was too young when Vincenzo took her in as a slave, I believe it would have been even more awkward to marry your slave if you took care of her from infancy. Let's make her at least 11 years old when Vincenzo has her baptized in 1551. Then even though it is possible for Porzia to give birth to Carlo Lomellini in her 40's, it makes more sense to give him a birth date c. 1570 when she would most likely be in her 30's. what do you think of this reasoning?
All of the other data you have is consistent with my records.
Looking forward to your input,
R A Ricci

It is true that Vassallo di Lumello is considered the origin of the Lomellini family. This is because Vasallo Lomellini 's descendants were the first to be surnamed Lomellini. Often when someone is considered the origin of a family it is because the line stops there but that is not the case here. Vassallo Lomellini' s father is well documented. Vassallo Lomellini was an illegitimate son of Rejnerius Vassallo. his mothers name is the one that I cannot find. Rejnerius Vassallo is the son of Auberto II di Vassalllo 3rd signore di Lavigno.

There does not seem to be much interaction between Auberto II other sons and grandchildren with Vassallo Lumello. . Auberto II Vassallo's other sons and grandchildren lived and left many descendants in Milan while Vassallo di Lumello's family lived and left descendants in Genoa. Auberto II Vassallo is the son of Vasallo Vasallo (many of descendants took his name)

Auberto II Vassallo 's ancestors are well documented for many generations. This Auberto ii descends from Prince Manfred III of Lombardy, Comte D'Orleans (c 770-836) (sometimes the numbering of the Manfreds is confusing because there was so many of them and different historians have numbered them differently) and Theodora nicknamed "daughter of Charlemagne". The descent from this wife of Manfred is clear though I am still working on whether she is daughter, granddaughter, or great granddaughter of Charlemagne. Both Manfred III (Manfred I) and Theodora are related as they both descend from Pepin II (aka Pepin of Herstal) (aka Pepin the middle), son of Ansegisel and Begga. There are also many other family relationships through Charlemagnes mother, and his wife Hildegarde. Theodora's nickname has caused much confusion with many genealogist because they take her nickname literally. Others state it is not a nickname and that she is Charlemagnes daughter but not Theodora but a sister of hers with a similar sounding name. Charlemagne had an aunt Theodora(Theodrada) daughter and grandaughter, and a great grandaughter of the same name. Many genealogists have argued over this point, one side arguing that she is a daughter with the other side arguing that she is a great granddaughter. After reading their arguments and taking into account dates I believe that she is one of the grandchildren that Charlemagne took in and raised as his own. I will continue doing research to clarify this contention.

Auberto ii grandfather, Auberto I Vecelli's nickname Is Vasallo which his descendants took as a surname. the nickname came from his position as vassal to his brother Bongiovanni II conte de Vercelli who took the surname Avogadro. I am still looking into why Bogiovanni did this. I am curious because I remember Avogadro from chemistry class. Many of Bogiovanni II Avogadro descendents took this last name. I am curious to find the connection between Bogiovanni Ii and Lorenzo Romano Amedo Carlo Avogadro, conte di Quarenga e Cerreto, the founder of atomic and molecular theory. Amedeo's father Filippo Avogadro( count, lawyer, and senator) and his mother Anna Maria Vercellone both likely descend from Bogiovanni's ancestors. Filippo Avogadro is said to be descended from a long line of lawyers from the noble house of Avogadro and Vercelli but I do not have the names.
R.A Ricci

Very interesting information. I enjoyed reading it. Thank you, Becky Lomeli Ruiz.

I am organizing various source documents I have located regarding Carlo Lomellini and his connection to Genoa, and the noble Lomellini family, their ventures throughout the Mediterranean, and their roles as Dogi della Repubblica di Genova, and translating and transcribing Italian records so I can share them with Nuestros Ranchos. Please look for them in a new thread I will start elsewhere en Español.

Gracias por tus preguntas e interés. Muchas cosas nuevas van a salir a la luz sobre varios apellidos genoveses como Lomellini, Fregoso, Doria, Spinola/Espínola, Bocanegra, Lavezzari, Isola, y muchos más, en los historiales y archivos de Génova, España y México.

Steven Francisco Hernández López

Muchísimas gracias Paco, es muy amable de tu parte.I can't wait.

Sofia

A long time ago I worked on the family tree of Miguel Hidalgo. I found out that he descended from both Carlo Lomellini and Luis Lomellini. Through many sources I heard that Carlos and Luis were brothers. I would go on searching for their ancestors because I descend from Carlo Lomellini many times. I was concerned with Luis only as in how he would help me find the parents of my ancestor, Carlo, his so called brother.
The more I worked on this line, the more it became apparent that a long time ago historians and genealogist had stated that they were brothers and that this assumption had been handed down. Are they brothers? If they are not brother's, what could have contributed to them thinking that they were brothers? I believe that I have the answers to both questions. The third question I have is where did people get the date of birth, 1584 for Carlo Lomellini? I believe I have an answer to that question also. actually Steven Hernandez was the one that provided the answer to that question.
The lomellini family is not just any family. They believed in intermarriage with the other main families in genoa and kept many many records. One of the main reason for these records is that a lot of money was involved. the family had many major businesses in trade and banking. Some of the Lomellini wrote specific directions that property was not to be sold, but handed down generation by generation. Any one not following the directives of the will were disinherited and the next person in line would inherit. They were forced to keep genealogical tables as one of the conditions of these wills in order to comply with its demands. Both Carlo and Luis were part of the generations that had to be part of the genealogical tables or the inheritors were not complying. Compliance was mandatory if you wanted to keep your money. Both Carlo and Luis were known to belong to this illustrious family so their records have to be in the Italian genealogical tables. Including them was little effort. Not including them could and would lead to disaster if anyone found out and wanted to challenge you for not following the directives in the wills. The will specifically states that the inheritor LOSES his inheritance to the next person in line if the directives are NOT followed.

I looked all over for a Lomellini that had sons named Luis and Carlo. I rejected many possible because both brothers were not listed. Once I was able to separate the two, I just focused on Carlo since he was my ancestor. Any notes that I had made regarding Luis were put aside since he was not my ancestor. If you have been paying attention to the previous posts, you know that I believe that I have found Carlo's parents and they are Vincenzo Lomellini and Porzia. Due to Carlo's mother premarriage social status, I predicted that when we find records on Carlo in Mexico that they may only list his father Vincenzo. Once I made that statement and went back and looked at all the records that I had put aside, a light bulb turned on, and I think I now know why Carlo and Luis were thought to be brothers.
Like I stated before, my priority was finding Carlos parents and Luis was not that important to me if he was not Carlo's brother. A couple of years ago, thanks to Claudia Casillas and her dispensas, I found out that I too descend from Luis Lomellini . Many people in Los altos de Jalisco also descend from him, they just don't know it yet.
Now that I believe that they were not brothers, I went went back and found a Luciano (Luis in Italian) Lomellini that I had rejected because he did not have a brother named Carlo. His age and everything fit but since he did not have a brother named Carlos his notes were put aside. I believe that this Luciano is our Luis and the reason that people had believed they were brothers was that they both were identified as being sons of Vincenzo Lomellini. Luciano is the son of a different Vincenzo. Since Carlo most probably identified himself using only his fathers name than people most likely assumed that they descended from the same Vincenzo Lomellini.
Even though we have not identified records in Mexico identifying Carlos and Luis parents we know that at one time in the past they had to exist and if we keep looking they may turn up one day. I bet Carlo's will only name his father and Luis's will name both his parents.

Thanks to Claudia Casillas, without her I would not have found the record that I had been looking for since 1985. Thanks to Steven Hernandez for encouraging me to go back to my notes to provide sources. This led to the discovery of my notes on Luciano Lomellini.

The records that we have on Luis and Carlos do not specify a birth date. The dates that we do have state that they were alive at a certain date and we know the dates of some their activities.from these dates we can come up with an approximate date, revising it as more information is accumulated. We have two dates showing that Carlo and Luciano were alive 1578 but looking at their parents ages they were most likely born in the late 1560's or 1570's with a possibility of 1580's. I believe that until we have more information, I feel comfortable giving Carlos a birth date c.1570 and Luis a birth date earlier than this, c.1550. This is not set in stone. People see a genealogical table and automatically assume that it is the birth year. Steven Hernandez pointed out that all of Vincenzo and Porzias children had the same date next to them. I believe that he correctly recognized that this date is of a record identifying them like a will and that they were all born prior to this date. They could have been quintuplets, and they could all of been born this year but most likely not. We must then look at their parents information and try to figure out the most likely date of birth. Sometimes when Two dates are given without identifying what the dates mean it is because two conflicting reports are given as two when they are born or he was born between those years. You have to look up other information to guide you on dates meaning if they are not specific.

Luciano Lomellini descends from two families that were in the upper class of the republic of Genoa.
Through his father, Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini he descends from Vassallo d Lumello, consul of Genoa.
Through his mother, Catarina Spinola, he descends from Guido Spinola, consul of Genoa

First the Lomellini line
1. Vassallo da Lumello, Consul de Genoa
2. Ansaldo Lomellini
3 Simone Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Giulia
4. Pietrino Lumbello (Lomellini ) + Tomasina
5. Leonello Lomellini + Catarina
6. Napoleone Lomellini + Teodora di Negro di Giorgio. [these are also Carlo's ancsetors] they are 4th cousins
7. Goffredo Lomellini. [Goffredos brother Niccolo is married to the half sister of the Calvos, Luchina Lercari] [another brother, Battista Lomellini has a grandaughter who marries a businessman that, along with Paulo di Negro, had a business transaction involving sugar with Christopher Colombus.]
8. Luciano Lomellini + Pometta Spinola
9. Goffredo Lomellini + I believe his 2nd wife Novella Cicala I don't believe he had children with his first wife, I will confirm
10. Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini + Catarina Spinola
11. Luciano Lomellini Spinola
This Luciano is a fourth cousin to Carlo Lomellini, whether he is or isn't Luis Lomellini is only speculation at this point, recognizing the fact that our Luis is most likely in the available genealogical tables and we are having the Luis 's try on the glass slipper. The fact that they both descend from a Vincenzo Lomellini adds a twist to the story that goes far in explaining why they thought they were brothers. Our Luis Lomellini also married his daughter to the upper class in Mexico.

Many of Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Negro descendants used the surname Lomellini. Some Female descendants married cousins that kept residences in Portugal. This line in Portugal used the surname Lomelino Some actually kept three residences, because some had a residence in Castilla. This is why records naming place of origin sometimes listed two different city-states. Marco Lomellini Lomellini descended from separate branches of Lomellini. Marco Lomellini Lomellini married Bianca Spinola so Luciano Lomellini Spinola was related to Marco Lomellini children thru both Marcos parents and his wife Bianca.
One of the branches was the main branch that settled in Portugal. Marco had business interests in Castilla, Portugal, and Genoa. Marcos had a residence in Lisbon, Portugal. Marco Lomellini was held in high regard by the Portuguese royal court. Some of their descendants married their Lomellino cousin from Portugal. Cosmo Lomellino and Giorgio Lomellino Portuguese/Genoese brothers (sons of Bartolommeo Lomellini(Lomellino) that had residences in Madeira, Portugal, married Lomellini cousins from Genoa that descended from Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Giorgio di Negro. They considered themselves from multiple city-states not just one. That is why Carlos Lomellini is listed in a record in Mexico as being from reinos de Castilla and Genoa. During Carlos lifetime, Genova was affiliated with Castile.
Many Lomellini records are written ' Gio Batta Lomellini '. but it is only an abbreviation For Giovanni Battista Lomellini They never called them Gio Batta.
Francesco Calvo, Marco Lomellini and Giovanni Battista Lomellino Lomellini ( son of Cosmo Lomellino) shared some business interests in Portugal. Francesco Calvo is related to the Lomellini. The Calvo children were angry when their widowed mother married Domenico Lercari. In these decades, the aristocratic widows were not supposed to remarry. Cattaneo Calvo never forgave her for remarrying and left her out of his will (except for a pittance which emphasized his displeasure). Their mother had least one child, Luchina Lercari, with her second husband, Domenico Lercari. Luchina Lercari married Niccolo Lomellini(see Lomellini line above) and are ancestors of Carlo Lomellini.

The Spinola line
1. Guido Spinola, console of Genoa
2. Oberto Spinola + Siballade (Sybil) Volta (daughter of Ingo II Della Volta + Giulia) Ingo II was very rich and had monopolies like Lomellini
3. Oberto Spinola
4. Guglielmo Spinola
5. Andreolo Spinola
6. Ozone Spinola
7. Antonio Spinola + Cattarina Caramella
8. Niccolo Spinola + Cattarina Paternoster
9. Giovanni Battista Spinola + Margarita
10. Cattarina Spinola + Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini
11 Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1)

One thing that I needed to evaluate was to check on available information on the time frame when Luis and Luciano lived.
This was the concern I had with Carlo and Carlos Lomellini. With Carlo, I felt uncomfortable with the supposed date that most people have for Carlos birth year of 1584. Though possible, I found that he had most likely been born 10 to 15 years earlier. Once Steve Hernandez provided information (documents showing his wife as a widow) reinforcing my claim that he had been born much earlier, than my concern was erased. Another document that helps the reinforce the claim is the document that Steven provided stating an origin of both reino de Castillo and Genoa. I had predicted such a claim in a post on this nuestrosrancho site a couple of years ago because our Carlo Lomellini's family considered themselves from both places. They had great pride in being from both. Most people do not claim an origin from different locations. This Lomellini family did. However, further research has raised a red flag. The dates given for Carlo Lomellini(2) that had caused him to be put aside as a possible Carlo Lomelin are not birth dates. The dates given on the rest of his immediate family are not necessarily birth dates. This opens the possibility that Carlo Lomelini(2) lived at the same time as our Carlo Lomelin in Mexico, and he has a brother named Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2).
The concern I had with Luis and Luciano Lomellini is again the time frame. I believed that Luis would have been born even earlier than Carlos Lomellini and was concerned about others dating him to be the same age as Carlo Lomellini. I am relieved to find out that everything still seems to fit. Luis was at least a decade older than Carlo, maybe even 15 years older. The more documents that I look at, the more Luis and Luciano were alive at the same time.

The more I find on Luis Lomellini, the more he looks to be a Luciano Lomellini Spinola. I say a Luciano Lomellini Spinola because there is another possible Luis Lomeli which I will name Luciano Lomellini Spinola(2). If the the historians and genealogists that claim Carlo and Luis Lomellini's are brothers are correct than Luis Lomeli has to be Luciano Lomellini Spinola(2) as he is the only Luis with a brother Carlo Lomellini. I will soon post their line.

From my what I have compiled on Hidalgo's line

"D. Juan de Viilasenor y Patino, bautizado en el Sarario de la Catedral de Valladolid el 12 de Julio de 1598
Padrinos: sus tios D. Francisco y Da. Beatriz Patino"
Fue dueno de la hacienda la Lagunilla y condueno de la de Pomacuaro
Fue casado y velado segun el orden de la Santa Iglesia con
Dona Maria Lomelin y del Olmos
Originaria de Queretaro, hija legitima deli luster genoves D. Luis de Lomelin y de Maria del Olmo, personas de mucha distincion y nobleza y posedoras de various bienes de fortuna
Hubieron y procrearon entre otro hijos a
Pedro de Villasenor de Lomelin

I would greatly appreciate any information anyone may have on Luis Lomeli and his descendants. Any information may provide clues to identifying his place in the Lomellini family.

R A Ricci
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