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By PappyRod - Posted on 15 September 2013

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51967-43?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-NQH:n590463114

(1st record on the 2nd page)

Although I'm getting a little better reading these records, I'm still not where I would like to be.

I believe this links to the Baptism of Bartolo Luna (07Feb1668), sister to my 7th GGM - Cecelia Luna. Can anyone read the surname of the his mother - Lorenza _________? The father's name is also Bartolo.

I would also like to connect with anyone else who descends from this line.

Thanks in advance,
Roy

Roy,
Sólo dice Doña Lorenza pero, obviamente debe referirse a Lorenza Ortiz de Haro y Lopes, mujer de Bartolome/Bartolo de Luna. Esta Lorenza fue hermana de Hernando, Pedro, María, Juan y Joseph; todos hijos de Hernando de Haro y Cecilia Lopes.
Y en efecto, el bautizado, Bartolo/Bartolome de Luna fue hermano de Antonio, Thomas, Francisca, Nicolasa, Brigida y Cecilia (Lopes de Luna).
Los padrinos de bautiso de Bartolo fueron Francisco Berumen y Doña Juana de Vera/Vela.
Suerte en tus busquedas.
Luis
PD: excelente libro el de Arturo Ramos, Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> From: rvr_jr@msn.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:18:48 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bartolo Luna Baptism question...
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51967-43?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-NQH:n590463114
>
> (1st record on the 2nd page)
>
> Although I'm getting a little better reading these records, I'm still not where I would like to be.
>
> I believe this links to the Baptism of Bartolo Luna (07Feb1668), sister to my 7th GGM - Cecelia Luna. Can anyone read the surname of the his mother - Lorenza _________? The father's name is also Bartolo.
>
> I would also like to connect with anyone else who descends from this line.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Roy

Roy, the mothers name is Dona Lorensa, I also descend from this couple I descend from their son Thomas De Luna and His wife Ana Flores De La Torre, do you have more info. on Cecilia?
 
Anna Arellano Luna

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Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:18 PM
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15187-51967-43?cc=1804458&wc=M99V-NQH:n590463114

(1st record on the 2nd page)

Although I'm getting a little better reading these records, I'm still not where I would like to be.

I believe this links to the Baptism of Bartolo Luna (07Feb1668), sister to my 7th GGM - Cecelia Luna.  Can anyone read the surname of the his mother - Lorenza _________?  The father's name is also Bartolo.

I would also like to connect with anyone else who descends from this line.

Thanks in advance,
Roy

Hi cousins, I also descend from their daughter Cecilia Lopez de Luna. Anna, If you don't already have Arturo Ramos' Book "Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango", I highly recommend it. He dedicates a couple of pages to her specifically, and you can piece many parts of her tree using his book. Also, research her ancestor (Beatrice Lopez de Ayala) whose surname she chose to carry instead of Ortiz de San Pedro.

Please email me at rvr_jr@msn.com and I'll provide you my line back to Bartolome de Luna y Tapia and Lorenza de Haro.

This is great! I'm meeting two more new cousins in one day.

Saludos,
Roy

Thank you Luis...I got 'em all.
My copy of Arturo's book was recently received.
Roy

if want i could send you links to some marriage dispensations i found related the lopez de luna lineage. i personally descending from bartolo's sister isabel.

also bartolome's second wife was tomasa olague. tomasa was previously married to a man with the last name ayala. she had a son with that previous spouse , who i also descend from.

Anna,

Could you send me your line through Tomás de Luna y Tapia and Ana Flores de la Torre? I am also studying this line for sometime. You can send me an email at mendezdetorres@hotmail.com

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, RJ, Brasil

Roy,

I have this record, I have not linked it with anyone yet, but I believe it to be the same woman. In the baptismal records for Tlatenango, we find a Agustina baptized 18 May 1652 daughter of Martín Tello de Orozco and Lorenza Ortiz de Haro. I have been wondering if the two Lorenzas are the same person. Could Lorenza have fistly married Martín and then Bartolome de Luna y Tapia? I hope someone can contribute to this topic.

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Daniel, Roy y demás:
Pienso que es la misma persona, Lorenza Ortiz de Haro y Bocanegra.
Con Martín Tello de Orozco, hijo de Francisco Tello de Orosco y Ana de Carbajal y Figueroa, tuvo a Josepha , Cecilia, Sebastiana, María y Agustina. Posteriormente, con Bartolomé de Luna y Tapia tuvo a Antonio, Thomas, Francisca, Nicolasa, Bartolo y Brígida.
Lorenza, al primero de sus hijos, Josepha, lo tiene cuando su edad es 16 años; al último, Brígida, cuando recién cumple los 39 años.
Les deseo éxito en sus búsquedas.
Luis
PD: un saludo, Daniel, dondequiera que te encuentres.

> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 07:35:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bartolo Luna Baptism question...
>
>
> Roy,
>
> I have this record, I have not linked it with anyone yet, but I believe it to be the same woman. In the baptismal records for Tlatenango, we find a Agustina baptized 18 May 1652 daughter of Martín Tello de Orozco and Lorenza Ortiz de Haro. I have been wondering if the two Lorenzas are the same person. Could Lorenza have fistly married Martín and then Bartolome de Luna y Tapia? I hope someone can contribute to this topic.
>
> Saludos,
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>

Luis,
I have maintained two separate lines for Lorenza, even though the names indicate they are the same person. My concern has been the fact that she would have been 12 years old when first married to Martin Tello de Orozco, and delivered her first baby around her 13th birthday. I know it's not impossible, but...
Here is my timeline:

Lorenza de Haro, b: 17Oct1630 to Hernando de Haro y Miramontes con Cecilia Lopez.

Offspring of Martin Tello de Orozco:
1.Juan Bautista, b: Oct 1643, Baptised: 24 Oct 1643
2.Ana, b: Jun 1645
3.Jusepa, b: May 1647
4.Cicelia, b: Nov 1648
5.Sebastiana, b: Jan 1650
6.Maria, b: Mar 1651
7.Agustina, b: May 1652

Offspring of Bartholome de Luna y Tapia:
1.Antonio, b: Feb 1659
2.Tomas, b: Feb 1661
3.Francisca, b: Mar 1663
4.Nicolasa, b: abt 1664
5.Juan, b: abt 1666
6.Bartolo, b: Feb 1668
7.Brigida, b: Nov 1669
8.Cecelia, b: abt 1671

To be conclusive, we need to see the marriage record to Bartholome which would have referred to Lorenza as the widow of Martin Tello de Orozco. I've been looking, but haven't found it as of today. Since she seem to have been very fertile, it's very likely her marriage to Bartholome would have been sometime in 1658 - nine months prior to the birth of Antonio. (just my thought)

It would mean so many more primos if Lorenza was indeed first married to Martin Tello.

Let's go find it!
Saludos,
Roy

p.s. I just found Sponsor: Bartolome de Luna, unmarried Spaniard on 19 Feb 1657, per Arturo Ramos' book, pg.65.

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