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By Laura Gonzalez - Posted on 01 August 2013

First, the whining. I was taken on a few tangents last night that ate up about 3 hours of my time (been there?), till I figured out that there were TWO Jose (Josef) Antonio Castaneda's in Atolinga around the same time, and BOTH had sons named Julio. I was able to ascertain that Julio had not been married to two different women, they were just two different Julios. Grrr.......

Second whine. I found some people on ancestry.com with whom I share not so distant ancestors. None of them have answered my queries. Well, one did, and wasn't that friendly. :-/

Third whine and question. Finding baptisms and marriages are much easier on familysearch.org than deaths. Are they not indexed? Is there any other way besides seeing someone died on the marriage certificate and simply working your way back? It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Also, Texas death certificates. I found someone who might be my grandmother's paternal aunt, and a death date, but I filed a request for a cert and El Paso couldn't find anything. I found it on ancestry.com: Lacrament Acevedo. (Her name was Sacramento. I'm thinking this might be a mistake on their part.) Death: 15 Oct 1918 - El Paso. Why can't they find anything, if it's listed?

Thoughts? Advice?

Gracias,
Laura

Laura,

I don't have any insight, I just liked your whining, if that's what you call it, I heard them more as commentaries and that could be either one of us.

I do that in my mind to myself all the time. But of course I know it's not to myself, my ancestors are listening and along the way, they sometimes hinder me, but most of the time they show me the way, it's just that the way isn't always direct. Often the road to the discovery takes many twists and turns, they even make me look under rocks, they make me travel to other towns, find out what's happening elsewhere before they bring me back to where we'd started. They are funny that way.

Enjoy the mysteries!!
Alicia

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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A couple of questions and a bit of whining

First, the whining.  I was taken on a few tangents last night that ate up about 3 hours of my time (been there?), till I figured out that there were TWO Jose (Josef) Antonio Castaneda's in Atolinga around the same time, and BOTH had sons named Julio. I was able to ascertain that Julio had not been married to two different women, they were just two different Julios.  Grrr.......

Second whine.  I found some people on ancestry.com with whom I share not so distant ancestors.  None of them have answered my queries.  Well, one did, and wasn't that friendly. :-/

Third whine and question.  Finding baptisms and marriages are much easier on familysearch.org than deaths.  Are they not indexed?  Is there any other way besides seeing someone died on the marriage certificate and simply working your way back?  It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Also, Texas death certificates.  I found someone who might be my grandmother's paternal aunt, and a death date, but I filed a request for a cert and El Paso couldn't find anything. I found it on ancestry.com:  Lacrament Acevedo. (Her name was Sacramento. I'm thinking this might be a mistake on their part.) Death: 15 Oct 1918 - El Paso.  Why can't they find anything, if it's listed?

Thoughts?  Advice?

Gracias, Laura

Laura,
Among the members of my family, I've have found similar situations. The most extreme case is two couples, brides and grooms, with exactly the same names, living in the same village, within a 'similar' timeframe. This has led to many errors among many genealogists working in the area. One clue was the slight difference of about 20 years in the dates of the children's births and marriages, that appeared to correspond to two cohorts. Recently, as I was researching the marriage of a child of this couple, and I came across a marriage dispensation, and it became clear that we were dealing with two couples. It turns out that the namesakes were respectively related, with the older couple respectively the uncle and aunt of the younger couple. In most occasions we are not as lucky to find such document. However, clues can come from the names of godparents of baptisms and marriages, which often are close relatives. Never give up, keep looking for evidence, and when you think all is lost
, put it aside and come back later with new eyes. You will be surprised that new insights and clues can later be revealed.

Good luck

Jaime Alvarado

Hi Laura,
 
I looked on family search for Sacramento Acevedo. Her death record is available. It's just spelled very very wrong. They transcribed it as Lenerarmentos Acevedo But, if you look at the certificate it's Sacramento. She was listed as being born 22 December 1875 in San José de los Marquez. Her parents are listed as Cruz Acevedo and Octaviana Galvan: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K3ZT-WS2
 
Christopher de Cuéllar
 

________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A couple of questions and a bit of whining

First, the whining.  I was taken on a few tangents last night that ate up about 3 hours of my time (been there?), till I figured out that there were TWO Jose (Josef) Antonio Castaneda's in Atolinga around the same time, and BOTH had sons named Julio. I was able to ascertain that Julio had not been married to two different women, they were just two different Julios.  Grrr.......

Second whine.  I found some people on ancestry.com with whom I share not so distant ancestors.  None of them have answered my queries.  Well, one did, and wasn't that friendly. :-/

Third whine and question.  Finding baptisms and marriages are much easier on familysearch.org than deaths.  Are they not indexed?  Is there any other way besides seeing someone died on the marriage certificate and simply working your way back?  It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Also, Texas death certificates.  I found someone who might be my grandmother's paternal aunt, and a death date, but I filed a request for a cert and El Paso couldn't find anything. I found it on ancestry.com:  Lacrament Acevedo. (Her name was Sacramento. I'm thinking this might be a mistake on their part.) Death: 15 Oct 1918 - El Paso.  Why can't they find anything, if it's listed?

Thoughts?  Advice?

Gracias,
Laura

I'm not sure how you were able to find that so quickly, I'm in awe. It doesn't look like my ancestor BUT I do think I found the death cert of my grandmother's grandmother. Yay!

Just no luck with Grandmother's father Bartolo Sanchez, or her older brother Manuel Sanchez. Always something to find, right?

Laura Gonzalez

Hi Laura,
I actually would have to whine with you about Ancestry.com. There is someone there with my parents and my grandparents.
I asked them how they were related to me and they avoided the question by saying other things. So I asked again, because
the other names they had are not related to my parents or grandparents and commented that they seem to be avoiding the question. They never answered me. So I tried to find out what you can do to stop people from stealing family info that is not even theirs. Apparently nothing.

Sofia

I have an Ancestry.com account that I has been very useful for tracking American ancesters and early immigrants from Eurpean countries. However, for the Mexican descendants, it's not as useful since they don't have many resources beyond the 1930 census. In terms of accuracy, I have found errors on other trees (great grandmother's parents) and have attempted to contact owners to make corrections, but as you've experienced they are not always responsive...although they often copy photos and documents from my tree. I've considered listing my tree as "private" to avoid this, yet I believe that the benefits of sharing the information outweigh the negative in the end.

You can "post a comment" on trees/documents to attempt to get the correct information out there to others. I know it's frustrating when incorrect information is out there, especially if others "copy" from them!

AJB

I have my records on Rootsweb.com a sister to Ancestry.com but a free site.  I appreciate when someone alerts me to errors so I can fix them and there have been many since every once in a while the Ancestry Familytree program I use compress's my files sometimes joining like names but different states in Mexico. Also errors like 1800 instead of 1700.. The file is too large for me to find them all so I pray for others to let me know abt them. I have no desire to hoard my files and hope they are of use to others.  My file is called Mexico and my trunk is my Father Chet (Aniceto) Castanon and Dolores Gutierrez my Mother.  I have over 1 hundred thousand names from Zacatecas, Jalisco, Michoacán and a few that immigrated from Aguascalientes.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: "becerracuse@verizon.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A couple of questions

I have an Ancestry.com account that I has been very useful for tracking American ancesters and early immigrants from Eurpean countries.  However, for the Mexican descendants, it's not as useful since they don't have many resources beyond the 1930 census.  In terms of accuracy, I have found errors on other trees (great grandmother's parents) and have attempted to contact owners to make corrections, but as you've experienced they are not always responsive...although they often copy photos and documents from my tree.  I've considered listing my tree as "private" to avoid this, yet I believe that the benefits of sharing the information outweigh the negative in the end. 

You can "post a comment" on trees/documents to attempt to get the correct information out there to others.  I know it's frustrating when incorrect information is out there, especially if others "copy" from them!

AJB

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