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By gilbertarguelles - Posted on 06 July 2013

Armando,

I just went through the link you cited. Its helpful . I better get going getting test for my parents as they are both only children.
Thank you,
Gilbert Arguelles

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> 1. Re: $99 DNA test (Gilbert Arguelles)
> 2. Re: $99 DNA test (Armando)
>
>I ordered the Comprehensive Genome test and joined the project that was
>mentioned on the list.
>
>Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria through
>the
>test?
>
>Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it be
>a
>clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?
>
>
>Message: 2

>Hello Gilbert, in order to know if you, Joseph, and Gloria having
>autosomal
>markers in common they would also have to get a Family Finder test.
>Even if
>they get the test there is no guarantee they are going to show as
>matches
>even if they truly are related to you. Not all markers are passed down
>from
>all of your ancestors. If they do show as matches then they are
>possibly
>related to you. Having other people with some of the ancestors showing
>up
>as matches on the same segment of a specific chromosome will help raise
>the
>likelihood being related through the line that is in common in all of
>you/
>
>See the following article for an example.
>
>http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/
>
>Having your parents test could help prove which side of the family your
>matches are related to you. If you, one parent and a third person all
>have
>markers in common in a certain segment of a certain chromosome then it
>is
>that side of the family that you are likely related to the third
>person.
>It's a process of elimination with the help of known relatives and
>others
>with shared trees and all getting the Family Finder test that help show
>an
>extreme likelihood of being related.
>
>Saludos,
>Armando
>
>> Would I be able to verify that any connection to you or Gloria
>through the
>> test?
>>
>> Since both my parents are still living (86 & 90 years old) would it
>be a
>> clearer picture overall if I tested them too with the $99 tests?

Hello Pat,

Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.

I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on 5 more and
click on on Download to Excel (CSV Format) again but save this file like
the previous file but with the number 02 at the end. Do this until you have
all of your matches then copy and paste all of your matches from each file
into the first file.

There is a website that will do this for you at
http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/Default.aspx but you will have to
add the column headers which are -
NAME MATCHNAME CHROMOSOME START LOCATION END LOCATION
CENTIMORGANS MATCHING SNPS

Once you have all of your Chromosome Browser data into a single file make
22 tabs, one for each chromosome and add the column headers into each tab.
Now go back to the tab that has all of the matches and order them by
CENTIMORGANS. The first person is the one with the highest nunmber of cMs
that match with you which. CentiMorgans is how the DNA segment is measured.
Pay attention which chromosome that person matches you on. Now reorder
according to the chromosome column and copy and paste everyone from that
chromosome into the tab that corresponds to that chromosome.

Now within the tab of that chromosome reorder everyone by centiMorgans
again. If they are less than 5.5 cMs you can ignore them. That amount of
cMs is insignificant.
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#608

Do the previous for every chromosome that has matches with more than 5.5
cMs in common with you.

Now, just because multiple people match on the same chromosome doesn't mean
that they are all related to each other. You still have to pay attention to
the Start and End location. The likelihood that they share a common
ancestor through that line is higher if the segments are the same and are a
long block. 4th and more distant cousins share 5-50 cMs according to the
following site -
http://cryokidconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/09/dna-numbers-game.html

Once you have identified the people that match you the closest and the
people that match them look at their trees and look for a common ancestor.
If they don''t have a tree or you think more can be found with some more
investigation you can email them and see if they respond. Once you have
responses work from there. If there are no responses and you can't find
anyone in common you will just have to be patient. If in 4 months from now
you don't have new matches and you want to continue down this line I would
order a 23andme test and an Ancestry.com test.

I have a 7th cousin verified by documentation that shares 10.97 cMs with my
uncle. There are two other people that match on the same chromosome in the
same region with a significant block and they show to have ancestors in
Jalisco also. I have emailed them but I have not had a response. So we are
not able to verify at what point on our family trees we have an ancestor in
common. Once another person tests, shows that chromosome and region in
common with us with a significant block, and has a documented tree then the
likelihood that anyone else that matches us on that region is related
through that line is very high.

Some matches will be due to IBS -
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#813

Another thing, it is best to get known relatives on both sides of the
family to also get the test in order to help show which side of the family
the match is on. If they match on one side of the family that is where the
common ancestor most likely exists although there could be matches on both
sides. If they don't match on one side it doesn't prove there isn't a
connection because not everyone inherits the same autosomal DNA. You still
have to get people from both sides of the family to continue trying to find
a match and also go through a process of elimination.

Y-DNA helps by showing that people with a high number of markers in common
(a lot more than 12/12) have a common ancestor. The Tip report calculates
that likelihood based on the markers. If it is shown that the likelihood is
in the past 5 generations then you can use that info along with the Family
Finder info.

The mtDNA info is less helpful in establishing when two people have a
common ancestor. However, if two people show to have a completely different
mtDNA then they don't share a common ancestor along that line. It is more a
process of elimination than a common ancestor tool. In some cases I am sure
that some people will be able to find a common ancestor if they both have
well documented trees and their mtDNA data matches.

I wrote a lot and there might be some errors since I did not have this
proofread. I hope this all makes sense and that it has been helpful.

Regards,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Pat Corbera
wrote:

>
> Hello Armando,
>
> Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when
> viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
>
> From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for
> known matches/relatives?
>
> It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I
> refer my questions to...
>
> I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from
> the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you
> will contact first?
>
> Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest
> block?
>
> I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder
> Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well
> versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in
> explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking
> with unknown relatives...
>
> I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the
> comparisons/charts that are featured are based on known family members that
> have taken the autosomal test. Please correct me if my thinking is not
> accurate.
>
> How does the YDNA and the mtDNA help with the FamilyFinder Autosomal
> testing in establish kinship?
>
> Thank you for sharing ...
> Patricia J Silva Corbera
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Armando"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:49:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> results to FTDNA
>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating on
> getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
> DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
> from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
> exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
> due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and distant
> the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
> will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo >wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> > Altos de
> > Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> > project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> > Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project.
> He
> > was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
> > Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.
> >
> > I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now and I
> > might purchase the family finder product for my family members being
> tested
> > since its on sale for $99!
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo
> >
> >
> >

Armando,

Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with locating others that share the same interest and desire to learn about their ancestors as well as locating/ linking with unknown cousins...

I will follow your outline and if I find that I'm having problems in understanding and setting up the data forms, I certainly will be back in touch.

I decided to order the FF Autosomal test for my grandson, Nicholas, who has been 37 marker YDNA tested. Nicholas is the biological son of my daughter, so if my thinking is correct, his mtDNA is the same as mine, and that he shares some of my chromosomes.

At this stage I'm not too sure how recombination will reflect in Nicholas' FF test results for my husband, Tino, who is the biological father of Nicholas' mother...

I'm hoping that both Tino and I will appear as matches on Nicholas' test results, and that he will appear on ours... Tino and I have both been FF tested.

For now, I need to get started setting up the steps as outlined in your posting...

I will keep you posted on my findings...

Armando, Once again thank you for taking the time to answer my question/s, and for sharing your knowledge ...

to be continued...

Sincerely,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:40:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Pat,

Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.

I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on 5 more and
click on on Download to Excel (CSV Format) again but save this file like
the previous file but with the number 02 at the end. Do this until you have
all of your matches then copy and paste all of your matches from each file
into the first file.

There is a website that will do this for you at
http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/Default.aspx but you will have to
add the column headers which are -
NAME MATCHNAME CHROMOSOME START LOCATION END LOCATION
CENTIMORGANS MATCHING SNPS

Once you have all of your Chromosome Browser data into a single file make
22 tabs, one for each chromosome and add the column headers into each tab.
Now go back to the tab that has all of the matches and order them by
CENTIMORGANS. The first person is the one with the highest nunmber of cMs
that match with you which. CentiMorgans is how the DNA segment is measured.
Pay attention which chromosome that person matches you on. Now reorder
according to the chromosome column and copy and paste everyone from that
chromosome into the tab that corresponds to that chromosome.

Now within the tab of that chromosome reorder everyone by centiMorgans
again. If they are less than 5.5 cMs you can ignore them. That amount of
cMs is insignificant.
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#608

Do the previous for every chromosome that has matches with more than 5.5
cMs in common with you.

Now, just because multiple people match on the same chromosome doesn't mean
that they are all related to each other. You still have to pay attention to
the Start and End location. The likelihood that they share a common
ancestor through that line is higher if the segments are the same and are a
long block. 4th and more distant cousins share 5-50 cMs according to the
following site -
http://cryokidconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/09/dna-numbers-game.html

Once you have identified the people that match you the closest and the
people that match them look at their trees and look for a common ancestor.
If they don''t have a tree or you think more can be found with some more
investigation you can email them and see if they respond. Once you have
responses work from there. If there are no responses and you can't find
anyone in common you will just have to be patient. If in 4 months from now
you don't have new matches and you want to continue down this line I would
order a 23andme test and an Ancestry.com test.

I have a 7th cousin verified by documentation that shares 10.97 cMs with my
uncle. There are two other people that match on the same chromosome in the
same region with a significant block and they show to have ancestors in
Jalisco also. I have emailed them but I have not had a response. So we are
not able to verify at what point on our family trees we have an ancestor in
common. Once another person tests, shows that chromosome and region in
common with us with a significant block, and has a documented tree then the
likelihood that anyone else that matches us on that region is related
through that line is very high.

Some matches will be due to IBS -
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#813

Another thing, it is best to get known relatives on both sides of the
family to also get the test in order to help show which side of the family
the match is on. If they match on one side of the family that is where the
common ancestor most likely exists although there could be matches on both
sides. If they don't match on one side it doesn't prove there isn't a
connection because not everyone inherits the same autosomal DNA. You still
have to get people from both sides of the family to continue trying to find
a match and also go through a process of elimination.

Y-DNA helps by showing that people with a high number of markers in common
(a lot more than 12/12) have a common ancestor. The Tip report calculates
that likelihood based on the markers. If it is shown that the likelihood is
in the past 5 generations then you can use that info along with the Family
Finder info.

The mtDNA info is less helpful in establishing when two people have a
common ancestor. However, if two people show to have a completely different
mtDNA then they don't share a common ancestor along that line. It is more a
process of elimination than a common ancestor tool. In some cases I am sure
that some people will be able to find a common ancestor if they both have
well documented trees and their mtDNA data matches.

I wrote a lot and there might be some errors since I did not have this
proofread. I hope this all makes sense and that it has been helpful.

Regards,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Pat Corbera
wrote:

>
> Hello Armando,
>
> Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when
> viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
>
> From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for
> known matches/relatives?
>
> It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I
> refer my questions to...
>
> I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from
> the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you
> will contact first?
>
> Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest
> block?
>
> I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder
> Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well
> versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in
> explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking
> with unknown relatives...
>
> I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the
> comparisons/charts that are featured are based on known family members that
> have taken the autosomal test. Please correct me if my thinking is not
> accurate.
>
> How does the YDNA and the mtDNA help with the FamilyFinder Autosomal
> testing in establish kinship?
>
> Thank you for sharing ...
> Patricia J Silva Corbera
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Armando"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:49:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> results to FTDNA
>
> Hello Juan,
>
> I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating on
> getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
> DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
> from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
> exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
> due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and distant
> the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
> will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo >wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> > Altos de
> > Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> > project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> > Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project.
> He
> > was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
> > Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.
> >
> > I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now and I
> > might purchase the family finder product for my family members being
> tested
> > since its on sale for $99!
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo
>

Hello Pat,

Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to find relatives on his father's side. Any autosomal
DNA that his mother has comes from you and Tino. When I mentioned getting
other relatives to test I inferred siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles,
grandparents, great-aunts, and great-uncles. The only reason descendants
should be tested is for the spouses side of the family when the spouse is
unable to test. If you have ordered the test and no longer think it is
necessary call and cancel it. Use your money towards more testing of
yourself or sponsor a test for someone else.

Regards,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I
> follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with
> locating others that share the same interest and desire to learn about
> their ancestors as well as locating/ linking with unknown cousins...
>
> I will follow your outline and if I find that I'm having problems in
> understanding and setting up the data forms, I certainly will be back in
> touch.
>
> I decided to order the FF Autosomal test for my grandson, Nicholas, who
> has been 37 marker YDNA tested. Nicholas is the biological son of my
> daughter, so if my thinking is correct, his mtDNA is the same as mine, and
> that he shares some of my chromosomes.
>
> At this stage I'm not too sure how recombination will reflect in Nicholas'
> FF test results for my husband, Tino, who is the biological father of
> Nicholas' mother...
>
> I'm hoping that both Tino and I will appear as matches on Nicholas' test
> results, and that he will appear on ours... Tino and I have both been FF
> tested.
>
> For now, I need to get started setting up the steps as outlined in your
> posting...
>
> I will keep you posted on my findings...
>
> Armando, Once again thank you for taking the time to answer my
> question/s, and for sharing your knowledge ...
>
> to be continued...
>
> Sincerely,
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Armando"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:40:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> results to FTDNA
>
> Hello Pat,
>
> Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
> that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
> trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
> group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
> to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
> chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
> undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
> know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
> other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
> continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.
>
> I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
> going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
> Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
> the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on 5 more and
> click on on Download to Excel (CSV Format) again but save this file like
> the previous file but with the number 02 at the end. Do this until you have
> all of your matches then copy and paste all of your matches from each file
> into the first file.
>
> There is a website that will do this for you at
> http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/Default.aspx but you will have to
> add the column headers which are -
> NAME MATCHNAME CHROMOSOME START LOCATION END LOCATION
> CENTIMORGANS MATCHING SNPS
>
> Once you have all of your Chromosome Browser data into a single file make
> 22 tabs, one for each chromosome and add the column headers into each tab.
> Now go back to the tab that has all of the matches and order them by
> CENTIMORGANS. The first person is the one with the highest nunmber of cMs
> that match with you which. CentiMorgans is how the DNA segment is measured.
> Pay attention which chromosome that person matches you on. Now reorder
> according to the chromosome column and copy and paste everyone from that
> chromosome into the tab that corresponds to that chromosome.
>
> Now within the tab of that chromosome reorder everyone by centiMorgans
> again. If they are less than 5.5 cMs you can ignore them. That amount of
> cMs is insignificant.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#608
>
> Do the previous for every chromosome that has matches with more than 5.5
> cMs in common with you.
>
> Now, just because multiple people match on the same chromosome doesn't mean
> that they are all related to each other. You still have to pay attention to
> the Start and End location. The likelihood that they share a common
> ancestor through that line is higher if the segments are the same and are a
> long block. 4th and more distant cousins share 5-50 cMs according to the
> following site -
> http://cryokidconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/09/dna-numbers-game.html
>
> Once you have identified the people that match you the closest and the
> people that match them look at their trees and look for a common ancestor.
> If they don''t have a tree or you think more can be found with some more
> investigation you can email them and see if they respond. Once you have
> responses work from there. If there are no responses and you can't find
> anyone in common you will just have to be patient. If in 4 months from now
> you don't have new matches and you want to continue down this line I would
> order a 23andme test and an Ancestry.com test.
>
> I have a 7th cousin verified by documentation that shares 10.97 cMs with my
> uncle. There are two other people that match on the same chromosome in the
> same region with a significant block and they show to have ancestors in
> Jalisco also. I have emailed them but I have not had a response. So we are
> not able to verify at what point on our family trees we have an ancestor in
> common. Once another person tests, shows that chromosome and region in
> common with us with a significant block, and has a documented tree then the
> likelihood that anyone else that matches us on that region is related
> through that line is very high.
>
> Some matches will be due to IBS -
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#813
>
> Another thing, it is best to get known relatives on both sides of the
> family to also get the test in order to help show which side of the family
> the match is on. If they match on one side of the family that is where the
> common ancestor most likely exists although there could be matches on both
> sides. If they don't match on one side it doesn't prove there isn't a
> connection because not everyone inherits the same autosomal DNA. You still
> have to get people from both sides of the family to continue trying to find
> a match and also go through a process of elimination.
>
> Y-DNA helps by showing that people with a high number of markers in common
> (a lot more than 12/12) have a common ancestor. The Tip report calculates
> that likelihood based on the markers. If it is shown that the likelihood is
> in the past 5 generations then you can use that info along with the Family
> Finder info.
>
> The mtDNA info is less helpful in establishing when two people have a
> common ancestor. However, if two people show to have a completely different
> mtDNA then they don't share a common ancestor along that line. It is more a
> process of elimination than a common ancestor tool. In some cases I am sure
> that some people will be able to find a common ancestor if they both have
> well documented trees and their mtDNA data matches.
>
>
> I wrote a lot and there might be some errors since I did not have this
> proofread. I hope this all makes sense and that it has been helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Pat Corbera
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Armando,
> >
> > Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when
> > viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
> >
> > From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for
> > known matches/relatives?
> >
> > It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I
> > refer my questions to...
> >
> > I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from
> > the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches
> you
> > will contact first?
> >
> > Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest
> > block?
> >
> > I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder
> > Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well
> > versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in
> > explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking
> > with unknown relatives...
> >
> > I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the
> > comparisons/charts that are featured are based on known family members
> that
> > have taken the autosomal test. Please correct me if my thinking is not
> > accurate.
> >
> > How does the YDNA and the mtDNA help with the FamilyFinder Autosomal
> > testing in establish kinship?
> >
> > Thank you for sharing ...
> > Patricia J Silva Corbera
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Armando"
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:49:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> > results to FTDNA
> >
> > Hello Juan,
> >
> > I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating
> on
> > getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
> > DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
> > from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
> > exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
> > due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and
> distant
> > the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
> > will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo <
> jcaguayo@stanfordalumni.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> > > Altos de
> > > Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> > > project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> > > Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project.
> > He
> > > was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
> > > Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.
> > >
> > > I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now
> and I
> > > might purchase the family finder product for my family members being
> > tested
> > > since its on sale for $99!
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > > Juan Aguayo
> >

Hello Armando,

I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his father's side...

I have researched my son-in-law's (Nicholas' father)paternal ancestry back to the 1600s from Scotland, so it will be very interesting to see his matches...

Does NR have a general fund, in which NR members may make donations of a given $ amount that can be used by individuals for one reason or another can not afford the expense of proceeding with various DNA testing?

Once again, thank you for sharing...
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:21:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Pat,

Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to find relatives on his father's side. Any autosomal
DNA that his mother has comes from you and Tino. When I mentioned getting
other relatives to test I inferred siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles,
grandparents, great-aunts, and great-uncles. The only reason descendants
should be tested is for the spouses side of the family when the spouse is
unable to test. If you have ordered the test and no longer think it is
necessary call and cancel it. Use your money towards more testing of
yourself or sponsor a test for someone else.

Regards,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I
> follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with
> locating others that share the same interest and desire to learn about
> their ancestors as well as locating/ linking with unknown cousins...
>
> I will follow your outline and if I find that I'm having problems in
> understanding and setting up the data forms, I certainly will be back in
> touch.
>
> I decided to order the FF Autosomal test for my grandson, Nicholas, who
> has been 37 marker YDNA tested. Nicholas is the biological son of my
> daughter, so if my thinking is correct, his mtDNA is the same as mine, and
> that he shares some of my chromosomes.
>
> At this stage I'm not too sure how recombination will reflect in Nicholas'
> FF test results for my husband, Tino, who is the biological father of
> Nicholas' mother...
>
> I'm hoping that both Tino and I will appear as matches on Nicholas' test
> results, and that he will appear on ours... Tino and I have both been FF
> tested.
>
> For now, I need to get started setting up the steps as outlined in your
> posting...
>
> I will keep you posted on my findings...
>
> Armando, Once again thank you for taking the time to answer my
> question/s, and for sharing your knowledge ...
>
> to be continued...
>
> Sincerely,
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Armando"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:40:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> results to FTDNA
>
> Hello Pat,
>
> Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
> that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
> trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
> group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
> to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
> chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
> undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
> know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
> other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
> continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.
>
> I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
> going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
> Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
> the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on 5 more and
> click on on Download to Excel (CSV Format) again but save this file like
> the previous file but with the number 02 at the end. Do this until you have
> all of your matches then copy and paste all of your matches from each file
> into the first file.
>
> There is a website that will do this for you at
> http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/Default.aspx but you will have to
> add the column headers which are -
> NAME MATCHNAME CHROMOSOME START LOCATION END LOCATION
> CENTIMORGANS MATCHING SNPS
>
> Once you have all of your Chromosome Browser data into a single file make
> 22 tabs, one for each chromosome and add the column headers into each tab.
> Now go back to the tab that has all of the matches and order them by
> CENTIMORGANS. The first person is the one with the highest nunmber of cMs
> that match with you which. CentiMorgans is how the DNA segment is measured.
> Pay attention which chromosome that person matches you on. Now reorder
> according to the chromosome column and copy and paste everyone from that
> chromosome into the tab that corresponds to that chromosome.
>
> Now within the tab of that chromosome reorder everyone by centiMorgans
> again. If they are less than 5.5 cMs you can ignore them. That amount of
> cMs is insignificant.
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#608
>
> Do the previous for every chromosome that has matches with more than 5.5
> cMs in common with you.
>
> Now, just because multiple people match on the same chromosome doesn't mean
> that they are all related to each other. You still have to pay attention to
> the Start and End location. The likelihood that they share a common
> ancestor through that line is higher if the segments are the same and are a
> long block. 4th and more distant cousins share 5-50 cMs according to the
> following site -
> http://cryokidconfessions.blogspot.com/2011/09/dna-numbers-game.html
>
> Once you have identified the people that match you the closest and the
> people that match them look at their trees and look for a common ancestor.
> If they don''t have a tree or you think more can be found with some more
> investigation you can email them and see if they respond. Once you have
> responses work from there. If there are no responses and you can't find
> anyone in common you will just have to be patient. If in 4 months from now
> you don't have new matches and you want to continue down this line I would
> order a 23andme test and an Ancestry.com test.
>
> I have a 7th cousin verified by documentation that shares 10.97 cMs with my
> uncle. There are two other people that match on the same chromosome in the
> same region with a significant block and they show to have ancestors in
> Jalisco also. I have emailed them but I have not had a response. So we are
> not able to verify at what point on our family trees we have an ancestor in
> common. Once another person tests, shows that chromosome and region in
> common with us with a significant block, and has a documented tree then the
> likelihood that anyone else that matches us on that region is related
> through that line is very high.
>
> Some matches will be due to IBS -
> http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=17#813
>
> Another thing, it is best to get known relatives on both sides of the
> family to also get the test in order to help show which side of the family
> the match is on. If they match on one side of the family that is where the
> common ancestor most likely exists although there could be matches on both
> sides. If they don't match on one side it doesn't prove there isn't a
> connection because not everyone inherits the same autosomal DNA. You still
> have to get people from both sides of the family to continue trying to find
> a match and also go through a process of elimination.
>
> Y-DNA helps by showing that people with a high number of markers in common
> (a lot more than 12/12) have a common ancestor. The Tip report calculates
> that likelihood based on the markers. If it is shown that the likelihood is
> in the past 5 generations then you can use that info along with the Family
> Finder info.
>
> The mtDNA info is less helpful in establishing when two people have a
> common ancestor. However, if two people show to have a completely different
> mtDNA then they don't share a common ancestor along that line. It is more a
> process of elimination than a common ancestor tool. In some cases I am sure
> that some people will be able to find a common ancestor if they both have
> well documented trees and their mtDNA data matches.
>
>
> I wrote a lot and there might be some errors since I did not have this
> proofread. I hope this all makes sense and that it has been helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Pat Corbera
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Armando,
> >
> > Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when
> > viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.
> >
> > From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for
> > known matches/relatives?
> >
> > It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I
> > refer my questions to...
> >
> > I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from
> > the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches
> you
> > will contact first?
> >
> > Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest
> > block?
> >
> > I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder
> > Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well
> > versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in
> > explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking
> > with unknown relatives...
> >
> > I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the
> > comparisons/charts that are featured are based on known family members
> that
> > have taken the autosomal test. Please correct me if my thinking is not
> > accurate.
> >
> > How does the YDNA and the mtDNA help with the FamilyFinder Autosomal
> > testing in establish kinship?
> >
> > Thank you for sharing ...
> > Patricia J Silva Corbera
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Armando"
> > To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:49:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
> > results to FTDNA
> >
> > Hello Juan,
> >
> > I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating
> on
> > getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
> > DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
> > from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
> > exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
> > due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and
> distant
> > the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
> > will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo <
> jcaguayo@stanfordalumni.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> > > Altos de
> > > Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> > > project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> > > Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project.
> > He
> > > was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
> > > Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.
> > >
> > > I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now
> and I
> > > might purchase the family finder product for my family members being
> > tested
> > > since its on sale for $99!
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > > Juan Aguayo
> >

Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.

I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one. Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong. The Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project does have a general fund. You. or any other NR
member, could also post that you are willing to pay for someone's test if
they unable to afford it and have them email you so that you could pay for
it and have the test sent to them. This would ensure the donation isn't
misused. Likewise, you could also let Ricardo Rodriguez, admin of Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project, know that you want any funds that you give the
project be used for specific purposes, if so desired.

Regards,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
>
> Hello Armando,
>
> I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing
> the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his
> father's side...
>
> I have researched my son-in-law's (Nicholas' father)paternal ancestry back
> to the 1600s from Scotland, so it will be very interesting to see his
> matches...
>
> Does NR have a general fund, in which NR members may make donations of a
> given $ amount that can be used by individuals for one reason or another
> can not afford the expense of proceeding with various DNA testing?
>
> Once again, thank you for sharing...
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>

Armando,

Thank you for the added information...

Today I updated Tino's current FF test result matches...it can be accessed by clicking on this link...

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/15188.

Tomorrow I'll start the download to Excel of the matches, using your instructions of creating a file of 5 matches, with file name ending with ie. 1 and moving to the next 5, changing the file ending to 2 etc. until all matches have been downloaded to Excel, then copy and paste to the file ending in 1...I'm pretty sure I can do this...if not I will re-read your instructions...

I accessed Family Tree DNA tools, and tried to download the zip file for FF, but it kept timing out after 15 minutes... it then dropped off...I will try it again later this evening...

Once again, many thanks for all your help, and also to Saul Navarro and Juan Aguayo for so freely sharing their research material with me...

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:24:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.

I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one. Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong. The Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project does have a general fund. You. or any other NR
member, could also post that you are willing to pay for someone's test if
they unable to afford it and have them email you so that you could pay for
it and have the test sent to them. This would ensure the donation isn't
misused. Likewise, you could also let Ricardo Rodriguez, admin of Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project, know that you want any funds that you give the
project be used for specific purposes, if so desired.

Regards,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
>
> Hello Armando,
>
> I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing
> the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his
> father's side...
>
> I have researched my son-in-law's (Nicholas' father)paternal ancestry back
> to the 1600s from Scotland, so it will be very interesting to see his
> matches...
>
> Does NR have a general fund, in which NR members may make donations of a
> given $ amount that can be used by individuals for one reason or another
> can not afford the expense of proceeding with various DNA testing?
>
> Once again, thank you for sharing...
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>

> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.com] On Behalf Of Armando
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
results to
> FTDNA
>
> Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.
>
> I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one.
> Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct. There is no general fund. But if enough people wanted one
it can be arranged.

There are other occasional needs for money but we've gone without needing to
ask for $ for over 10 years now I'd kind of like to keep it that way. Then
again if Arturo tells me that there is a need to update the website and
funds are needed, well that could change the whole picture. For now no
solicitations for money will part of the NR group

Yes if someone wants to pay for a specific persons DNA testing then I would
prefer that it be taken to email between the two parties.

Joseph

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Hello Armando,

Update Subject: FF matches...

The task of downloading all of the matches that appeared on Tino's FF test results proved to be overwhelming for me...

I decided instead to use the FF Chromosome Browser filter "Distant Relatives."

The filter produced 19 matches, a number that was more workable for me.

Using the Chromosome Browser I proceeded to view each of the 19 names, five at a time, selecting and deselecting, using the "view this data in a table," format looking for cMs that were 5.5 or more...I copied and pasted the individual's name and relationship as well as the line/s information that was over 5.5 cMs to a main listing sheet with headings of Chromosome - Start Location - End Location -cM - matching SNPs ...

I continued to follow the above procedure until all 19 "distant relative" matches were viewed and copied..

I will contact the individuals with the highest cM match and longest block first and continue down the listing until all have been contacted...

Once again thank you for all your help...

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Corbera"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:42:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Armando,

Thank you for the added information...

Today I updated Tino's current FF test result matches...it can be accessed by clicking on this link...

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/15188.

Tomorrow I'll start the download to Excel of the matches, using your instructions of creating a file of 5 matches, with file name ending with ie. 1 and moving to the next 5, changing the file ending to 2 etc. until all matches have been downloaded to Excel, then copy and paste to the file ending in 1...I'm pretty sure I can do this...if not I will re-read your instructions...

I accessed Family Tree DNA tools, and tried to download the zip file for FF, but it kept timing out after 15 minutes... it then dropped off...I will try it again later this evening...

Once again, many thanks for all your help, and also to Saul Navarro and Juan Aguayo for so freely sharing their research material with me...

Pat Silva Corbera

Hello Pat,

The list of Speculative matches also has people with more than 5.5 cMs. You
should add them also.

You should also have your matches separated by the chromosome they match
you on. Do this by making separate tabs in the spreadsheet for each
chromosome 1-22. It makes triangulation much easier.

Once you have the matches separated by chromosome then you need to look at
the range. If two people are in a completely different range then they
aren't related to the tester through the same line. If they are in the same
range the likelihood that they are related through the same line is very
great. If you are able to identify three people, counting the tester, that
match in the same range and two people have a well documented tree then the
third person is highly likely to be related through that line.

So then when you are able to correspond with matches you can concentrate on
that chromosome and region as to what you have in common and try and
identify through triangulation which line it is.

In a couple of months there might be some more matches due to the sale and
also Gedmatch should be accepting new uploads so that will be another tool
that we will be able to use for finding matches on specific chromosome
regions which could help identify certain lines.

Armando

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
> Hello Armando,
>
> Update Subject: FF matches...
>
> The task of downloading all of the matches that appeared on Tino's FF test
> results proved to be overwhelming for me...
>
> I decided instead to use the FF Chromosome Browser filter "Distant
> Relatives."
>
> The filter produced 19 matches, a number that was more workable for me.
>
> Using the Chromosome Browser I proceeded to view each of the 19 names,
> five at a time, selecting and deselecting, using the "view this data in a
> table," format looking for cMs that were 5.5 or more...I copied and pasted
> the individual's name and relationship as well as the line/s information
> that was over 5.5 cMs to a main listing sheet with headings of Chromosome -
> Start Location - End Location -cM - matching SNPs ...
>
> I continued to follow the above procedure until all 19 "distant relative"
> matches were viewed and copied..
>
> I will contact the individuals with the highest cM match and longest block
> first and continue down the listing until all have been contacted...
>
> Once again thank you for all your help...
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
>
>

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