Miramontes from Tlaltenango

Hello,

Good luck on your trip. I would also like to see the photos. I can't waitbtonsome day visit. I've never been there but it's also part of my ancestors.

Best,
Pauline

On Jun 28, 2012, at 5:21 PM, "Joseph Puentes" wrote:

> Great, ask if this rancho was once called Rio de Cuculiten or Rio de
> Coculiten and yes great question about if the border changed over time and
> it was in Jalisco but is now in Zacatecas. Thanks for taking pictures,
>
> Joseph
> He
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>
> Joseph Puentes
> Clean [at] h2opodcast [dot] com
> http://h2opodcast.com
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of eltobias2003 [at] hotmail [dot] com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 4:55 PM
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>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de Coculiten
>>
>> There is a rancho Coculiten due northeast of Momax that borders Jalisco,
> and my
>> ancestors were born there but baptized in Momax. I wonder if it's part of
> Coculiten,
>> Jalisco or the border changed over time or was not as defined, before? I
> will be in
>> Zacatecas in a few weeks and will try to take pictures for all of us.
> Thanks.

Hello Everyone,

From what I have been able to research Rancho de Coculiten belongs
to the town of Momax wich is Zacatecas. Although it is very close
and might even cross into the state of Jalisco. I looked at a map
of the Tlaltenango area from 1776 from the Archivo General de Indias
site. It is difficult to read but it looks like it shows Coculiten
north of Momax also. I have also read the 1650 census of Tlaltenango
that is available at this site and towards the end, it makes a
reference to the ranch of Lorenzo Miramontes being also known as
Coculiten. It describes the ranch location around the same area as
well.

Gustavo

Do you have a scan of the Tlaltenango 1776 map or do you know how I can get
a scan of it? I'd very much like to make it available to the group.

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean [at] h2opodcast [dot] com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of sr92809 [at] sbcglobal [dot] net
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 9:18 PM
> To: research [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de Coculiten
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> From what I have been able to research Rancho de Coculiten belongs to the
town of
> Momax wich is Zacatecas. Although it is very close and might even cross
into the state of
> Jalisco. I looked at a map of the Tlaltenango area from 1776 from the
Archivo General de
> Indias site. It is difficult to read but it looks like it shows Coculiten
north of Momax also. I
> have also read the 1650 census of Tlaltenango that is available at this
site and towards the
> end, it makes a reference to the ranch of Lorenzo Miramontes being also
known as
> Coculiten. It describes the ranch location around the same area as well.
>
> Gustavo
>
>

Joseph,
I don't have a scan of this map. Don't know if you can
copy the documents from the PARES website. The document
number is MP-Mexico,314 from the Archivo General de Indias.
It's a handrawn map and some of the place names are
kind of hard to read.

Gustavo

Navigating the PARES website is pretty involved (and confusing!), so I thought I would post a few items that I came across as I tried to locate "MP-Mexico,314". A couple of times the webpage timed out or gave me an error, but the following worked for me.

The summary to the "MP-Mexico, 3" archive is found here
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&txt_id_desc_ud=20806&fromagenda=N
-To view the contents of the archive, click on the button "Contiene"
-To sort by archive number, click on the column "SIGNATURA"

Items with an image will have an icon of a camera at the you're at the webpage of interest, you can either right-click and save a copy of the map or print it. Several Archive items that I note as examples are 294 & 314:

1. Mapa de la Villa de Xerez de la Frontera y curatos de su jurisdiccion, situada en 23 grados de Latitud Norte. MP-MEXICO,294. 1773-02-26
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&txt_accion_origen=2&txt_id_desc_ud=21153

2. Mapa del Pueblo del Taltenango y su distrito. MP-MEXICO,314. 1776
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&txt_accion_origen=2&txt_id_desc_ud=21175

I've loaded both maps to NR.
-1773 Jerez: http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/20760
-1776 Tlaltenango: http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/20761

There were materials for other areas, so it's definitely worth going thru the list of Archives.

Good luck!
Arturo

Thanks Arturo for putting the maps up on the website. I've never been
patient enough to navigate the website so I miss out on a lot.

If others find gold nuggets that might be interesting to the group save them
to your computer, send them to me and we'll go about uploading to the
website.

Thanks again,

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean [at] h2opodcast [dot] com
http://h2opodcast.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of agon123 [at] gmail [dot] com
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:54 AM
> To: research [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho de Coculiten
>
> Navigating the PARES website is pretty involved (and confusing!), so I
thought I would
> post a few items that I came across as I tried to locate "MP-Mexico,314".
A couple of
> times the webpage timed out or gave me an error, but the following worked
for me.
>
> The summary to the "MP-Mexico, 3" archive is found here
>
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&txt_id_
desc_ud=2
> 0806&fromagenda=N
> -To view the contents of the archive, click on the button "Contiene"
> -To sort by archive number, click on the column "SIGNATURA"
>
> Items with an image will have an icon of a camera at the you're at the
webpage of interest,
> you can either right-click and save a copy of the map or print it. Several
Archive items
> that I note as examples are 294 & 314:
>
> 1. Mapa de la Villa de Xerez de la Frontera y curatos de su jurisdiccion,
situada en 23
> grados de Latitud Norte. MP-MEXICO,294. 1773-02-26
>
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&txt_acc
ion_origen
> =2&txt_id_desc_ud=21153
>
> 2. Mapa del Pueblo del Taltenango y su distrito. MP-MEXICO,314. 1776
>
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=4&txt_acc
ion_origen
> =2&txt_id_desc_ud=21175
>
> I've loaded both maps to NR.
> -1773 Jerez: http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/20760
> -1776 Tlaltenango: http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/en/node/20761
>
> There were materials for other areas, so it's definitely worth going thru
the list of
> Archives.
>
> Good luck!
> Arturo