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By HaciendaRomo - Posted on 24 February 2012

Ayuda por favor
My GGGGGGG grandfather Jeronimo Rosales b. 1689 married Josepha Romo de Vivar b. 1689, daughter of Francisco Romo de Vivar Rangel and Lorenza Ruis de Esparza

In researching (my GGGGGG) Jeronimo Rosales Romo de Vivar’s siblings I found a total of 13. Most born in Aguascalientes, Ags. -- some in Cienega de Mata Ojuelos, Jalisco
Three of the siblings had the same or similar names but born in different years. My question is – are some of the children I found belong to another set of parents with the exact names of Jeronimo Rosales and Josepha Romo de Vivar? So far the documents I have checked do not have the names of the grandparents so I can verify if they are the same parents

Here is what I have as children of
Jerónimo Rosales and Josepha Romo De Vivar (Married May 1st, 1709, Aguascalientes,)

*Francisco Eusebio b. 1710, Aguascalientes
Maria Sebastiana b. 1711 Aguascalientes
Lorenza b. 1713, Aguascalientes
*Francisco b. 1716, Aguascalientes
Josepha Eufracia Gertrudis b. 1718 Aguascalientes
Juan Joseph b. 1720 Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1723, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos Jalisco
Maria Sebastiana b 1727 Cienega de Mata
Joseph Ylario b. 1730 Cienega de Mata
*Joseph Gabriel b. 1729 Cienega de Mata
Ana Rosales b. 1732 San Antonio Aguascalientes
*Gabriel b. 1734 San Antonio, Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1736 Cienega de Mata

Thank you for any information you may have. In the mean time I will continue to check the church records.
Aurora De Anda Romo

Aurora,

All I can say is that it was not uncommon for siblings to have common
names - especially with the high childhood mortality rates of the times.

-Angelina-

Hi Aurora,

I can not answer your question if the duplicated names are of two different families. 

 

I found to be a common practice when I was researching my Madeira, Portugal ancestors, that when a child died, that same name was then given to another child with in the same family. 

 

This practice happened with one of my own siblings...  My parent's second born was a son named Manuel, born 1919, he died shortly after.  Their third child was also a son, but given a different first name, it wasn't until their fifth child was born, a son that he was given the name of Manuel.

This naming practice often would happen with the very next child of the same sex, but now always.

 

 

Pat Silva Corbera 

   

Thank you Pat,

I have come across using the same name of the deceased children. I had not seen it done for 3 children in the same family and the fact that some were born in another town gave me some doubts.
By the way, my grandmother was named Paula Silva b. 1880 in Calvillo, Ags. My G. grandparents Ireneo Silva and Merced Martinez married Oct 8, 1873, GGG Ysidro de Silva and Maria Antonia Ortiz married 1829.
Where are your Silva relatives from?

Aurora De Anda Romo

I've found in not unusual to name twins the same name. In one family I though he had a second family until I found his brother and wife as godparents to one of his children.  Without this one record I would have had a real problem seperating them. This was in Jerez, Zacatecas.
Linda in Everett

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From: "aderomo@msn.com"
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:34 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Siblings with same names

Thank you Pat,

I have come across using the same name of the deceased children. I had not seen it done for 3 children in the same family and the fact that some were born in another town gave me some doubts. By the way, my grandmother was named Paula Silva b. 1880 in Calvillo, Ags. My G. grandparents Ireneo Silva and Merced Martinez married Oct 8, 1873, GGG Ysidro de Silva and Maria Antonia Ortiz married 1829. Where are your Silva relatives from?

Aurora De Anda Romo

It was very common that if one child with a certain name died and then
another one was born, this other child will be name the same as the dead
child

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:34 PM, wrote:

> Thank you Pat,
>
> I have come across using the same name of the deceased children. I had not
> seen it done for 3 children in the same family and the fact that some were
> born in another town gave me some doubts. By the way, my grandmother was
> named Paula Silva b. 1880 in Calvillo, Ags. My G. grandparents Ireneo Silva
> and Merced Martinez married Oct 8, 1873, GGG Ysidro de Silva and Maria
> Antonia Ortiz married 1829. Where are your Silva relatives from?
>
> Aurora De Anda Romo

Hi Aurora,

 

Anything is possible, but I agree 3 children born with-in the same family dying and their names being passed to 3 more children, seems a little strange, but it may just be correct.

 

Large families, with many offspring dying.  Tino's paternal grandmother I understand had 10 children, with many dying.  By the time she migrated to the USA in 1927 there were only three that reached adulthood.

 

The only Silva, to date, that appears in Tino's ancestry is Simona da Silva married to Macario de Espitia... The only information we have for Simona is that she  was buried 17 Aug 1719 Aguascalientes.

 

My Silva ancestors were from the island of Madeira, Portugal, dating back to the mid 1600s.  My maternal grandparents, my mother and her brother migrated in 1906 to Massachusetts.  Our original surame is "daSilva Se'." By the time I was born it was shortened to Silva...

 

Pat Silva Corbera

Tracy CA

 

 

 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: aderomo@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 12:34:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Siblings with same names

Thank you Pat,

I have come across using the same name of the deceased children. I had not seen it done for 3 children in the same family and the fact that some were born in another town gave me some doubts.
 By the way, my grandmother was named Paula Silva b. 1880 in Calvillo, Ags. My G. grandparents Ireneo Silva and Merced Martinez married Oct 8, 1873, GGG Ysidro de Silva and Maria Antonia Ortiz married 1829.
Where are your Silva relatives from?

Aurora De Anda Romo

I have seen some examples in Coahuila in the late 1800's-early 1900's where 2 or 3 siblings have the same name, with the older one still alive and well when the next one was born. Sometimes they have the same father but different mothers. Sometimes but not always they have a different first or middle name.
Evaristo Madero had 3 daughters called Bárbara with 2 wives, they all survived childhood.

Victoriano Navarro

I too have seen families with 2 children living at the same time with the same exact name. In one case, one was much older than the other, so perhaps they named the younger one after him to honor him? Also, there is the possibility that they knew two different godfathers with the same name so two sons were named the same but after different god-fathers?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:19:59 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Siblings with same name
>
> I have seen some examples in Coahuila in the late 1800's-early 1900's where 2 or 3 siblings have the same name, with the older one still alive and well when the next one was born. Sometimes they have the same father but different mothers. Sometimes but not always they have a different first or middle name.
> Evaristo Madero had 3 daughters called Bárbara with 2 wives, they all survived childhood.
>
> Victoriano Navarro

Hi Aurora,

Are Jerónimo Rosales Romo and María de los Dolores de la Torre (married 3 Feb 1744 in Aguascalientes) your 7G grandparents? [Matrimonios 1736-1746, Image 269/362 Foja 265b]. The link to their marriage record is as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11592-123717-90?cc=1410092&wc=6810684

I have not found any other Jerónimo de Rosales married to a Josepha Romo de Vivar in Aguascalientes, so the children you've found plus Jerónimo Rosales Romo (14 siblings) are correct.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Ayuda por favor
My GGGGGGG grandfather Jeronimo Rosales b. 1689 married Josepha Romo de Vivar b. 1689, daughter of Francisco Romo de Vivar Rangel and Lorenza Ruis de Esparza

In researching (my GGGGGG) Jeronimo Rosales Romo de Vivar’s siblings I found a total of 13. Most born in Aguascalientes, Ags. -- some in Cienega de Mata Ojuelos, Jalisco
Three of the siblings had the same or similar names but born in different years. My question is – are some of the children I found belong to another set of parents with the exact names of Jeronimo Rosales and Josepha Romo de Vivar? So far the documents I have checked do not have the names of the grandparents so I can verify if they are the same parents.

Here is what I have as children of
Jerónimo Rosales and Josepha Romo De Vivar (Married May 1st, 1709, Aguascalientes,)

*Francisco Eusebio b. 1710, Aguascalientes
Maria Sebastiana b. 1711 Aguascalientes
Lorenza b. 1713, Aguascalientes
*Francisco b. 1716, Aguascalientes
Josepha Eufracia Gertrudis b. 1718 Aguascalientes
Juan Joseph b. 1720 Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1723, Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos Jalisco
Maria Sebastiana b 1727 Cienega de Mata
Joseph Ylario b. 1730 Cienega de Mata
*Joseph Gabriel b. 1729 Cienega de Mata
Ana Rosales b. 1732 San Antonio Aguascalientes
*Gabriel b. 1734 San Antonio, Aguascalientes
*Cristóbal b. 1736 Cienega de Mata

Thank you for any information you may have. In the mean time I will continue to check the church records.
Aurora De Anda Romo

Hi Bill,
Thank you for checking this out.
I also could not find any other couple by that name in that same period. Jeronimo Rosales Romo and Maria de La Torre are my 7G grandparents. Jeronimo being the child of Jeronimo Rosales Garcia and Josepha Romo de Vivar.
I have found Romo de Vivar's in my Olivares and De Anda family trees. Also my maternal grandmother was a Romo Rodriguez and my husband is a Romo. I have traced them all back to Diego Romo de Vivar and Catalina Perez of Spain.
I have found it quite interesting how many of my family lines have crossed at some time or another throughout the centuries.
Again thank you,
Aurora De Anda Romo

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