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By abram101 - Posted on 16 February 2012

Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.

Armando

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:

> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!

Abram,

I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.

Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.

I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.

You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.

I hope this helps.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo Munoz

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:

> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>
> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.

-Juan

.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>> >
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:
>> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> >

Victoriano Ruiz and Maria Ysabel Alvarez are my direct line, GGGGGgrandparents and you're correct in that they had 9 children that I know of, but I still haven't found their marriage record.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!

Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children of
Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.

Armando

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:

> I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!

Hola Primo,

This is what I have in my transcription of the document.

Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20, Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011

Alicia

________________________________
From: Juan Aguayo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz Help!!

Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares
was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.

-Juan

.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Abram,
>
> I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
>
> Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has helped
> me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
>
> I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
>
> You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan Aguayo Munoz
>
>  On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
>
>> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
>> of
>> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
>>
>> Armando
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
>>
>> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
>> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>> >
>> > To post, send email to:
>> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>>  >
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:
>> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
>> >

Abram,

Another important note is to notice in this babtismal record is
that Ysabel's last name is listed as Alvares, yet her father is listed as
Macias. This family often interchanged their last name between Macias and
Albares. If you study this family and their children, you will notice that
some were babtised with the Macias last name, yet others with the Albares.
This was one of my road blocks for over a year until I finally figured it
out. Hopefully this helps you down the line sometime.

Juan

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Hola Primo,
>
> This is what I have in my transcription of the document.
>
> Film # 0226656, C606232, 1796-1799, Bautismos de Nochistlan, Volumen # 20,
> Image # 286, Page # 231, Item # 1,
> En Esta Parroquia de Nochistlan en 24 de Febrero de 1799, Yo el Bachiller
> Don Juan Nepomuceno Baes, Bautice a Josef Manuel Candelario, Español, del
> Monte de los Duranes de esta feligresia que nacio el dia dos del mismo mes
> a la hora de las dos de la mañana, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruis y de
> Ysabel Alvares y nieto legitimo por parte paterna de Josef Antonio Ruiz y
> de Felipa Gonsales y parte materna es nieto legitimo de Josef Maria Macias
> y de Maria de la O Duran: Fueron sus padrinos Ysidro Muños y Victoriana
> Ruis, todos vecinos del mismo puesto. transcribedd on 9/5/2011
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Ysabel Alba and Victoriano Ruiz
> Help!!
>
> Minor correction in my previous statement: Jose Maria Aquilino Ruiz
> Albares
> was BABTIZED on Jan 11, 1797 and after checking, yes his babtismal
> certificate only lists his parents. Look up Josef Manuel Caldelario Ruiz
> Albares, Feb. 24, 1799, which does include parents in grandparents.
>
> -Juan
>
> .
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
>
> > Abram,
> >
> > I agree with Armando. I have Victorian Ruiz Gonsales married to Maria
> > Ysabel Albares Duran, but I don't have their marriage record.
> >
> > Alicia Carrillo, do you have their marriage certificate? Alicia has
> helped
> > me with this line and we have since collaborated on this marriage.
> >
> > I know they were married before 1797 because one of their children, Jose
> > Maria Aquilino Ruiz Albares was born on Jan 11, 1797. Unfortunately this
> > babtismal certificate most likely only lists his parents names as
> > grandparents are listed starting around the middle of 1797 if I'm not
> > mistake for Nochistlan babtisms.
> >
> > You can look up the babtismal record up for Josef Manuel Candelario Ruiz
> > Albares, babtised Feb 24, 1799 which lists his parents and grandparents.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan Aguayo Munoz
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Armando wrote:
> >
> >> Are you sure she isn't María Isabel Alvarez? There are a lot of children
> >> of
> >> Victoriano Ruiz and María Isabel Alvarez that show up in the search.
> >>
> >> Armando
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> > I can not Find these two Individuals Marriage they are both from
> >> > Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico any Help!! PLease??>!!
> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >> >
> >> > To post, send email to:
> >> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
> >> >
> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> >> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com <
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/>
> >> >
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/>
> >>
> >
> >

Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com

Abram Flores,

Are you aflore2855?

----- Original Message -----

From: aflore2855@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 9:20:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

Abram Flores
You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com

There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.

Armando

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:

> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com

Here's the extraction for their marriage. This was extracted before the records were digitized and on-line, therefore does not reflect the image# and page number.

LDS Film # 0226729, Batch # M606268, 1807-1824, Matrimonios Iglesia Catolica,

El 9 de Mayo de 1821 en Nochistlan, Zac, se caso Jose Manuel Ruiz, español, del Monte de los Duranes, soltero, de edad de 20 años, hijo legitimo de Victoriano Ruiz y Maria Ysavel Alvares con Maria Francisca Muños, Españoles del mismo rancho, doncella de edad de 18 años, hija legitima de Antonio Muños y de Maria Rosalia Duran. Fueron sus padrinos, Juan Lopez y Ma de San Jose Sanchez, españoles, testigos, Anselmo Cantor, Yndio de este pueblo.
extracted on Dec 05, 2009

Alicia

________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] (no subject)

There are a lot of people on Ancestry.com that don't know what they are
doing. DO NOT trust what you find on that site. Always look for the actual
records! How did you find out you descend from Manuel Ruiz and Maria
Francisca Munoz? Was it also from Ancestry.com? If not, Have you searched
for the marriage of Manuel Ruiz and Maria Francisca Munoz? It is easy to
find and it has important info.

Armando

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM, wrote:

> Abram Flores
> You know im quite not sure i descend from his son Manuel Ruiz he married
> Maria Francisca Munoz but i don't know when they married i got the info
> about the parents from an individual in ancestry.com

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