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By meef98367 - Posted on 19 July 2011

Can someone please help me read the marriage record for Jph Cayetano Garcia to Anna Cleta Calzada that took place in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on October 5, 1791 (image 142).

I think it says he was from Santa Barbara (and Santa Maria?), and was the son of Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan. I also think it says he was the widower of someone named Ortiz?

Anna Cleta was from San Juan, and her parents were Matheo Calzada and Maria Barbara de la [?].

Alquien puede leer y decirme que dice este documento del matrimonio de Jph Cayetano Garcia con Anna Cleta Calzada, en Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, 5 Octubre, 1791 (image 142).

Thank you/gracias,

Emilie
Port Orchard, Washington State, EU

Hello Emilie,

I have typed what my old eyes see for you.

... Joseph Cayetano Garcia Español originario y vecino de esta feligresia en Santa Barbara Hijo lexitimo de Nicolas Garcia y de Maria de San Juan de Trillo y viudo de Thereza Ortis ha[ce] un año con Anna Cleta Calzada española originaria de San Juan y vecina de esta Feligresia ha[ce] quatro años hija lexitima de Matheo Calzada y de Maria Barbara de [So Mayor ?] ...

I think that the Sta. Maria in the margin refer to where the bride lives now. Hope this helps.

David from Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Emilie Garcia
>Sent: Jul 19, 2011 1:54 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help with Marriage Record for Jph. Cayetano Garcia
>
>
>
>Can someone please help me read the marriage record for Jph Cayetano Garcia to Anna Cleta Calzada that took place in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on October 5, 1791 (image 142).
>
>I think it says he was from Santa Barbara (and Santa Maria?), and was the son of Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan. I also think it says he was the widower of someone named Ortiz?
>
>Anna Cleta was from San Juan, and her parents were Matheo Calzada and Maria Barbara de la [?].
>
>Alquien puede leer y decirme que dice este documento del matrimonio de Jph Cayetano Garcia con Anna Cleta Calzada, en Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, 5 Octubre, 1791 (image 142).
>
>Thank you/gracias,
>
>Emilie
>Port Orchard, Washington State, EU
>
>

David---thank you so much. I appreciate it; now I can make more sense of it and now I know his widow's name and when she died.

Emilie

> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:50:57 -0700
> From: dpdelgado@jps.net
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help with Marriage Record for Jph. Cayetano Garcia
>
> Hello Emilie,
>
> I have typed what my old eyes see for you.
>
> ... Joseph Cayetano Garcia Español originario y vecino de esta feligresia en Santa Barbara Hijo lexitimo de Nicolas Garcia y de Maria de San Juan de Trillo y viudo de Thereza Ortis ha[ce] un año con Anna Cleta Calzada española originaria de San Juan y vecina de esta Feligresia ha[ce] quatro años hija lexitima de Matheo Calzada y de Maria Barbara de [So Mayor ?] ...
>
> I think that the Sta. Maria in the margin refer to where the bride lives now. Hope this helps.
>
> David from Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Emilie Garcia
> >Sent: Jul 19, 2011 1:54 AM
> >To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help with Marriage Record for Jph. Cayetano Garcia
> >
> >
> >
> >Can someone please help me read the marriage record for Jph Cayetano Garcia to Anna Cleta Calzada that took place in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on October 5, 1791 (image 142).
> >
> >I think it says he was from Santa Barbara (and Santa Maria?), and was the son of Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan. I also think it says he was the widower of someone named Ortiz?
> >
> >Anna Cleta was from San Juan, and her parents were Matheo Calzada and Maria Barbara de la [?].
> >
> >Alquien puede leer y decirme que dice este documento del matrimonio de Jph Cayetano Garcia con Anna Cleta Calzada, en Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, 5 Octubre, 1791 (image 142).
> >
> >Thank you/gracias,
> >
> >Emilie
> >Port Orchard, Washington State, EU
> >
> >

Hello Emilie,

You should look for the información matromonial to see if there is more info
there
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/waypoint/9405750

The marriage document says:

...Jph Cayetano Garcia español originario y vecino de esta feligresía en Sta
Barbara hijo legitimo de Nicolas Garcia y de Maria de San Juan de ¿Tello? y
viudo de Teresa de Ortiz ha un año con Anna Cleta Calzada española
originaria de San Juan y vecina de esta feligresía ha cuatro años hija
legitima de Mateo Calzada y de Maria Barbara de la ?...
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004723425.004723425_00142

Anna Cleta Calzada was born 03 Aug 1772 in San Juan but is described as
india in that document
https://familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004724542.004724542_00440

Cayetano Garcia and Teresa Ortiz were married 29 Jan 1769 in Lagos de Moreno
and it shows Cayetano as being originally from Aguascalientes and the son of
Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan Villalpando.
https://familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004724918.004724918_00030

I can't find anything on Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan Villalpando or
Trillo or Tello.

Armando

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
>
> Can someone please help me read the marriage record for Jph Cayetano Garcia
> to Anna Cleta Calzada that took place in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on
> October 5, 1791 (image 142).
>
> I think it says he was from Santa Barbara (and Santa Maria?), and was the
> son of Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan. I also think it says he was
> the widower of someone named Ortiz?
>
> Anna Cleta was from San Juan, and her parents were Matheo Calzada and Maria
> Barbara de la [?].
>
> Alquien puede leer y decirme que dice este documento del matrimonio de Jph
> Cayetano Garcia con Anna Cleta Calzada, en Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, 5
> Octubre, 1791 (image 142).
>
> Thank you/gracias,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, Washington State, EU
>
>

Armando---thank you so much for doing that extra research for me. I feel I am hitting the jackpot here with everyone's help.

Emilie

> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:19:44 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help with Marriage Record for Jph. Cayetano Garcia
>
> Hello Emilie,
>
> You should look for the información matromonial to see if there is more info
> there
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/waypoint/9405750
>
> The marriage document says:
>
> ...Jph Cayetano Garcia español originario y vecino de esta feligresía en Sta
> Barbara hijo legitimo de Nicolas Garcia y de Maria de San Juan de ¿Tello? y
> viudo de Teresa de Ortiz ha un año con Anna Cleta Calzada española
> originaria de San Juan y vecina de esta feligresía ha cuatro años hija
> legitima de Mateo Calzada y de Maria Barbara de la ?...
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004723425.004723425_00142
>
> Anna Cleta Calzada was born 03 Aug 1772 in San Juan but is described as
> india in that document
> https://familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004724542.004724542_00440
>
> Cayetano Garcia and Teresa Ortiz were married 29 Jan 1769 in Lagos de Moreno
> and it shows Cayetano as being originally from Aguascalientes and the son of
> Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan Villalpando.
> https://familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.1.i/dgs%3A004724918.004724918_00030
>
> I can't find anything on Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan Villalpando or
> Trillo or Tello.
>
> Armando
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Emilie Garcia
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Can someone please help me read the marriage record for Jph Cayetano Garcia
> > to Anna Cleta Calzada that took place in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco on
> > October 5, 1791 (image 142).
> >
> > I think it says he was from Santa Barbara (and Santa Maria?), and was the
> > son of Nicolas Garcia and Maria de San Juan. I also think it says he was
> > the widower of someone named Ortiz?
> >
> > Anna Cleta was from San Juan, and her parents were Matheo Calzada and Maria
> > Barbara de la [?].
> >
> > Alquien puede leer y decirme que dice este documento del matrimonio de Jph
> > Cayetano Garcia con Anna Cleta Calzada, en Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, 5
> > Octubre, 1791 (image 142).
> >
> > Thank you/gracias,
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, Washington State, EU
> >
> >
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Hi Emilie,

Looking this other post I thinking the Indian couple Nicolas and Maria San Juan from Colotlan is not the same as the one parents of this Cayetano García. I do not know if you already found the file in the Marriage Information for Cayetano Garcia and Anacleta Calzada. There, the letter is more clear and comprehensible. It is in image 163 This is the direct link:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-26822-57%3Fcc%3D1874591%26wc%3D9405750

Jose Calletano Garcia Español Originario y Vecino de esta Villa de 46 años hijo legítimo de Nicolás García y de Maria San Juan de Trillo (ya difuntos) viudo de Teresa Ortiz

Anacleta Calzada española de 18 años de San Juan vecina de esta villa del Puesto de Santa María hija legítima de Matheo Calzada y Barbara Martin.

Buena Suerte and you are alright acaudalado means wealthy

Jorge Elías

Ups I placed the wrong link but already changed it in my previous comment

the correct one is this:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-26822-57%3Fcc%3D1874591%26wc%3D9405750

Jorge Elias

Calletano Garcia, según se ve en el informe matrimonial sabía escribir, pues firma su declaración Calletano Garcya. Algo muy poco común en la época. Era muy poca la gente que escribía a mediados del siglo XVIII. Definitivamente no puede ser hijo de la pareja de Colotlan, creo yo. Estudiar el documento completo, las declaraciones de la novia y los testigos sin duda le aportará datos nuevos muy interesantes.

Buena suerte,

Jorge Elias

Jorge,

I am so happy to receive your e-mail here. No, I had not found the Informacion Matrimonial, only the Matrimonio. The Matrimonios are in the index, but the Informacion is not.

God Bless You! You have shown me six pages of information, with so many interesting facts, such as that Calletano was literate, at least he could sign his name! and no, now I know for sure the couple from Colotlan are not my husband's ancestors.

Another interesting fact I found in reading the declaraciones is that a witness Sevastian Gonzales was Anna Cleta's uncle and the grandfather of her daughter-in-law. Celletano and Anna Cleta had a son, Jose Maria Garcia who married Maria Gregoria Morones on June 10, 1818 in Encarnacion. Gregoria's mother was Ygnacia Gonzales, the daughter of Sevastian Gonzales!

Thank you again so much for the research you have done for me,

Muy agradecida,

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> From: eliasjorge4@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:46:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informe Matrimonial
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> Looking this other post I thinking the Indian couple Nicolas and Maria San Juan from Colotlan is not the same as the one parents of this Cayetano García. I do not know if you already found the file in the Marriage Information for Cayetano Garcia and Anacleta Calzada. There, the letter is more clear and comprehensible. It is in image 163 This is the direct link:
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/9MTW-1J3/p2
>
> Jose Calletano Garcia Español Originario y Vecino de esta Villa de 46 años hijo legítimo de Nicolás García y de Maria San Juan de Trillo (ya difuntos) viudo de Teresa Ortiz
>
> Anacleta Calzada española de 18 años de San Juan vecina de esta villa del Puesto de Santa María hija legítima de Matheo Calzada y Barbara Martin.
>
>
> Buena Suerte
>
>
> Jorge Elías
>

Emily, like you I am so grateful for the help and generosity of Ranchos members
to share and help each other.

Joseph and Arturo you set up a forum that has helped so many reclaim lost long
ancestors.
thank you
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Sat, July 23, 2011 10:57:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informe Matrimonial

Jorge,

I am so happy to receive your e-mail here.  No, I had not found the Informacion
Matrimonial, only the Matrimonio.  The Matrimonios are in the index, but the
Informacion is not.

God Bless You!  You have shown me six pages of information, with so many
interesting facts, such as that Calletano was literate, at least he could sign
his name!  and no, now I know for sure the couple from Colotlan are not my
husband's ancestors. 

Another interesting fact I found in reading the declaraciones is that a witness
Sevastian Gonzales was Anna Cleta's uncle and the grandfather of her
daughter-in-law.  Celletano and Anna Cleta had a son, Jose Maria Garcia who
married Maria Gregoria Morones on June 10, 1818 in Encarnacion.  Gregoria's
mother was Ygnacia Gonzales, the daughter of Sevastian Gonzales!

Thank you again so much for the research you have done for me,

Muy agradecida,

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> From: eliasjorge4@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:46:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informe Matrimonial
>
> Hi Emilie,
>
> Looking this other post I thinking the Indian couple Nicolas and Maria San Juan
>from Colotlan is not the same as the one parents of this Cayetano García. I do
>not know if you already found the file in the Marriage Information for Cayetano
>Garcia and Anacleta Calzada. There, the letter is more clear and comprehensible.
>It is in image 163 This is the direct link:
>
>https://familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/9MTW-1J3/p2
>2
>
> Jose Calletano Garcia Español Originario y Vecino de esta Villa de 46 años hijo
>legítimo de Nicolás García y de Maria San Juan de Trillo (ya difuntos) viudo de
>Teresa Ortiz
>
> Anacleta Calzada española de 18 años de San Juan vecina de esta villa del
>Puesto de Santa María hija legítima de Matheo Calzada y Barbara Martin.
>
>
> Buena Suerte
>
>
> Jorge Elías
>

Hello Emily,

Yesterday I found the marriage information for Cayetano García and Theresa Ortiz. More details to analyse.

https://familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18569-23976-37%3Fcc%3D1874591%26wc%3D11125796

Even though there are some inconsistencies, could be the same Cayetano that years later get married to Anacleta.

Datos a favor:

a) Obviously his name and the name of his wife Teresa Ortiz,
b) the names of his parents except the second name of his mother Villalpando instead of Trillo,
c) his age 25 years
d) his mother is "difunta"

Datos en contra

a) Here he said he is from la Villa de Aguas Calientes in the other file he said he is "originario de esta Villa" (Encarnación).
b) the last name of his mother does not match.
b) He did not sign.

I think these three references do not discard the possibility that both are the same person.

If this Cayetano is the same person that years later get married to Anacleta, he was born in la Villa de Aguascalientes and moved to Lagos at age of 16 and later he moved to Encarnación. These three towns are relatively close. The fact that his mother was already death when he was young, explain the other fact that it is not easy to find more brothers and sisters of him (but this is only my speculation) And explain too the variable use of his mother last name (speculation too).

Le deseo buena suerte en su investigación, a mi me es muy plasentero porder ayudar cuando me es posible.

Jorge Elias

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