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By lorenzocarrillo94 - Posted on 06 April 2011

I have been trying to research my mothers side of the family and can't find anymore info than I already know. Ok, my great grandfather's name. Was librado lorta. His whole name was librado lorta tena , but when he became a citizen , he was obligated to change "tena" to his middle name. He was born in namiquipa, chihuahua on 8-17-13. He had 2 older siblings : Salvador and Ana(Anita) . I have checked through all of ancestry and family search and can't find anything other than the 2 border crossing records from 1925 and 1932. He was crossed over by his 2 tias Maria Concepcion tena and Enriqueta tena ( Vargas was her married name) and i have nothing in them either. My grandfather died in 2006 before I got into the whole genealogy thing. But my grandmother ( his wife) is still alive and I talk to her almost every day. She says he never really knew his parents. " family legend" has it his parents nameswere "santana"(father). And "refugia" (mother). His mother died in child birth around 1916 and his father died of hypothermia around 1920. He was orphaned by the age of 7 and was out on his own. He and his sister Anita immigrated to the us in the 20s but I can only find records of him crossing. It's too weird. I need some tips on new place to search or just a new approach plan. Thanks, Lorenzo.

Hi Lorenzo,
I know how frustrating it can be; but don't give up.  I've only been researching for about three years, so I'm still a novice compared to many site members.  I totally empathize; my dad was also born in 1913 and I can't find anything on him or my mother except border crossings.  Yet, I've researched his side of the family back into the 1600's (by way of gr-grandparents and their siblings); but ironically, I still can't find my parents baptismal or marriage records!  I believe it could be because in the world of genealogy it's still too recent, and people from that era are still living.  Welcome and good luck!  Alice Blake  

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com wrote:

From: lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Big trouble in little namiquipa
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 5:34 PM

I have been trying to research my mothers side of the family and can't find anymore info than I already know. Ok, my great grandfather's name. Was librado lorta. His whole name was librado lorta tena , but when he became a citizen , he was obligated to change "tena" to his middle name. He was born in namiquipa, chihuahua on 8-17-13. He had 2 older siblings : Salvador and Ana(Anita) . I have checked through all of ancestry and family search and can't find anything other than the 2 border crossing records from 1925 and 1932. He was crossed over by his 2 tias Maria Concepcion tena and Enriqueta tena ( Vargas was her married name) and i have nothing in them either. My grandfather died in 2006 before I got into the whole genealogy thing. But my grandmother ( his wife) is still alive and I talk to her almost every day. She says he never really knew his parents. " family legend" has it his parents nameswere "santana"(father). And "refugia" (mother). His mother
died in child birth ar
ound 1916 and his father died of hypothermia around 1920. He was orphaned by the age of 7 and was out on his own. He and his sister Anita immigrated to the us in the 20s but I can only find records of him crossing. It's too weird. I need some tips on new place to search or just a new approach plan. Thanks, Lorenzo. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Lorenzo,
Here's something you may or may not have: Since your *grandfather was
orphaned *this could be a possibility: Liberato Figueroa Marquez, *b. 17
Aug 1913*, Chinipas, Chihuahua, and he *died 14 March 2006* in Ciudad
Obregon, Cajeme Sonora, Mexico. He was married to Rafaela Villegas Jimenez
(1921-2005). They had at least one child: Elena Figueroa Villegas
(1942-1993). If you think it merits checking into a contact email is
suval36@hotmail.com. Could he possibly have been adopted by Figueroa
Marquez?

Good luck to you.
Esther Jordan Lopez

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, wrote:

> I have been trying to research my mothers side of the family and can't find
> anymore info than I already know. Ok, my great grandfather's name. Was
> librado lorta. His whole name was librado lorta tena , but when he became a
> citizen , he was obligated to change "tena" to his middle name. He was born
> in namiquipa, chihuahua on 8-17-13. He had 2 older siblings : Salvador and
> Ana(Anita) . I have checked through all of ancestry and family search and
> can't find anything other than the 2 border crossing records from 1925 and
> 1932. He was crossed over by his 2 tias Maria Concepcion tena and Enriqueta
> tena ( Vargas was her married name) and i have nothing in them either. My
> grandfather died in 2006 before I got into the whole genealogy thing. But my
> grandmother ( his wife) is still alive and I talk to her almost every day.
> She says he never really knew his parents. " family legend" has it his
> parents nameswere "santana"(father). And "refugia" (mother). His mother died
> in child birth ar
> ound 1916 and his father died of hypothermia around 1920. He was orphaned
> by the age of 7 and was out on his own. He and his sister Anita immigrated
> to the us in the 20s but I can only find records of him crossing. It's too
> weird. I need some tips on new place to search or just a new approach plan.
> Thanks, Lorenzo. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>
> To post, send email to:
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The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) shows Librado T. Lorta b. 8-17-1913, died 1-24-2006 in California. You can send for a copy of his Social Secutiry Application (Form SS-5) which asks for his parents names. They should be on this form if he knew their names. The cost is $27. Not cheap, but if everything else is a dead end it may be your only hope.

Lorenzo Carrillo
Yes Donna, we have sent for it and are awaiting information. I heard it can take up to a month?? I'll be patient anyways. But thanks for the tip :) very appreciated. Thanks , Lorenzo

Lorenzo Carrillo

Sorry Esther but thanks for your efforts . He died Jan-24-2006 in Sacramento ,ca and had 13 children with rosa Ramirez .close though! Thanks, Lorenzo:)

Hi Lorenzo!

This morning I did a little research on your grandfather, Librado Lorta Tena. On Ancestry.com I found the border crossings from Mexico to El Paso that you mentioned. On bottom of the actual document was the name of Maria Concepcion Tena. I also found several public records in Texas & California and his Social Security death with this same name. You seem to already have some of this info, but if you do not, let me know. Another place I looked was http://genealogy.az.gov (its free). I am originally from Arizona and have used this site for several years and have uncovered lots of info in the death and birth certificates. Many of our ancestors who settled in western U.S. states passed through Arizona and may have worked there, married and had children there before settling in other states, especially California. At this site I did find some Tena's, some working in the mines in Jerome and Morenci, Arizona. Many who crossed the border from Mexico to Texas ended up in Arizona since the mining companies heavily recruited Mexicans to come work for them. When the mine in Jerome closed in 1952 most people moved away to other Arizona mining towns, but many moved to California. There are two Jose Tena's that were from Namiquipa, Chihuahua, including one of the wives. These may be some of your relatives. You may want to add Jose (males) and Maria (females) to your name when you cannot find it with just one first name. This may help uncover people who's names will just not come up in your search. Your family should be proud that you want to know whose shoulders you stand on! Future generations in your family will be grateful that you took the time to preserve something so valuable.
Best regards, Gerry Marentes, Plano, Texas

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