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By meef98367 - Posted on 23 January 2010

Arturo,

I finally was able to bring up that letter of 1591 from the Viceroy Luis de Velasco to the King, but it has eight pages. It is beautifully written and so legible after all those years, but I have trouble reading that Spanish. In which of the eight pages is the mention of his visit to the caravan of the Tlaxcalan families?

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Maria Cortes wrote " I count not open this file it gave me an error
message."

At first I had the same problem ...However, I found that you had to be
logged onto Nuestros Ranchos first - then the link works without any
problems.

-Angelina-

I tried to open it from within (logged) Nuestro Ranchos pages and still getting the error.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces [at] lists [dot] NuestrosRanchos [dot] com [mailto:research-bounces [at] lists [dot] NuestrosRanchos [dot] com] On Behalf Of Angelina Markle
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:36 AM
To: research [at] NuestrosRanchos [dot] com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalan Census 1591

Maria Cortes wrote " I count not open this file it gave me an error
message."

At first I had the same problem ...However, I found that you had to be
logged onto Nuestros Ranchos first - then the link works without any
problems.

-Angelina-

Gregory Schaaf, Ph.D., Director, Center for Indigenous Arts & Cultures, Santa Fe; Indians [at] nets [dot] com
Stanley Lucero and I are working on a Tlaxcalteca Chronology, Tlaxcalteca Biographical Profiles, and a Tlaxcalteca Bibliography for a free, non-profit educational website for school children. Please feel free to submit entries and we will let you know when the site gets posted.
Regarding the current discussion on Tlaxcalans in Zacatecas, here is one entry from the chronology:
June 6-9, 1591 – The Tlaxcalan Indians began their migrations northward from villages around Tlaxcala de Xicohhtencatl An estimated 1008 Tlaxcalan Indians from 400 families, organized by 5 captains began a trek northward. The Tlaxcalan Indians initially weree composed of four groups from their four hometowns, but then were re-organized into six groups to go to six destinations:
*On June 6, approximately 228 Tlaxcalan Indians from Lordship of San Francisco Ocotelulco [site of the largest Mercado [marketplace] in the region], organized by Captain Lucas, departed northward to the silver mines of the Kingdom of Nueba Galicia, Zacatecas, Mexico today. They founded the Tlaxcalilla barrio in the town of Pines. After the battle of San Andres Teul, the Tlascalan survivors emigrated to Chalchihuites and later also founded the towns of Nombre de Dios and Suchil, Mexico
*On June 7, approximately 245 Tlaxcalan Indians from St. Stephen Tizatlan, organized by Captain Buenaventura de Paz, departed northward to the Kingdom of Nueva Vizcaya, today Nuevo Leon [founded the towns of San Miguel de Aguayo and Bustamante, Mexico], Durango, and Coahuila, Mexico. On September 12, 1521 the Tlaxcalan Indians founded San Esteban de la Nueva Tlaxcala Tizatlan, near the Villa Creole in Saltillo in 1598, the town of Santa Maria de las Parras [today Parras de la Fuente], and in 1676 populated San Francisco Coahuila, San Juan del Carrizal, Cuatro Cienegas, San Buenaventura, Santa Rosa, San Bernardino of Candera and Arteaga, Mexico.
*On June 9, approximately 207 Tlaxcalan Indians from Kings Manor Quiahuiztlan, organized by Captain Lucas Tellez, departed northward to Kingdom of Nueva Galicia, now Jalisco, Mexico. They founded Villa de San Luis de Colotlan of New Quihuiztlan, Tlaxcala
*On June 9, approximately 228 Tlaxcalan Indians from the Lordship of Santiago, organized by Captain Tepeticpac Francisco Vasquez and Captain Joaquin Paredes, departed northward to San Miguel Mexquitic in the Kingdom of Nueva Galicia, now San Luis Potosi, Mexico [arrived November 2, 1591].
The four villages were within a five-mile radius on one another.
Today, over 1 million people live in the Mexican state of Tlaxcala, an area of over 1,500 square miles.
The total was 1008 Tlaxcalan Indians organized by 5 captains.
SOURCE: [Rosalva Delgadillo Torres, “La Migración Tlaxcalteca Del Siglo XVI.”]
PS. We are especially searching for people who are believed to be descendant from the Tlaxcaltecas and other "Mexican Indians" who once lived in Barrio de Analco in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Would there be someone who would volunteer to extract out (and perhaps even transliterate into modern Spanish) the census of the 400 Tlaxcalan families who migrated to the Gran Chichimeca?

I still can't open the link

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalan Census

Would there be someone who would volunteer to extract out (and perhaps even transliterate into modern Spanish) the census of the 400 Tlaxcalan families who migrated to the Gran Chichimeca?

Maria,

I just sent you the .pdf file to your e-mail address. It will take a while to load unless you have a fast connection. Plus your computer needs to be able to open .pdf files.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Maria Cortes
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Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalan Census

I still can't open the link

Got it thanks

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Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:34 PM
To: research [at] NuestrosRanchos [dot] com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalan Census

Maria,

I just sent you the .pdf file to your e-mail address. It will take a while to load unless you have a fast connection. Plus your computer needs to be able to open .pdf files.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Maria Cortes
To: research [at] NuestrosRanchos [dot] com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tlaxcalan Census

I still can't open the link

TRASLATION TO englisH down

COLECCION DE DOCUMENTOS PARA LA HISTORIA DE SAN LUIS POTOSI
CUENTA POR SUS NOMBRES (CENSO) DE LOS INDIOS DE TLAXCAL QUE VINIERO A POBLAR ENTRE LOS CHICHIMECAS

EN EL RIO DE SAN JUAN (HOY SAN JUAN DEL RIO QUERETARO)EL 6 DE JULIO DE 1591, AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA VILLABICENCIO, TENIENTE DE CAPITAN GENERAL PARA LAS NUEVAS POBLACIONNES DE CHICHIMECAS DEL EXCELENTISIMO SEÑOR DON LUIS DE VELASCO, CABALLERO DE LA ORDEN DE SANTIAGO, VIRREY, GOBERNADOR, CAPITAN GENERAL DE ESTA NUEVA ESPAÑA, PRESIDENTE DE LA REAL AUDIENCIA... ANTE MI EL NOTARIO, DIJO:
QUE EL GOBERNADOR, ALCALDES Y PRINCIPALES (CACIQUES) DE LA CIUDAD DE TLAXCALA OFRECIERON AL SEÑOR VIRREY 400 INDIOS CASADOS VECINOS Y ORIGINARIOS DE DICHA CIUDAD(TLAXCALA), PARA CON ELLOS HACER (FUNDAR) DICHAS POBLACIONES (LAS NUEVAS POBLACIONES DE LOS CHICHIMECAS), LOS CUALES SALIERON Y SE DIVIDIERON EN 4 "CUADRILLAS DE CARROS"? CON SUS MUJERES E HIJOS EN DICHA CIUDAD (SAN JUAN DEL RIO)DONDE HABIAN DE ENTREGARSE (PONERSE A LAS ORDENES)AL TENIENTE(AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA). ALGUNOS "JUSTOS RESPETOS"(RESPETADOS) NO SE ENTREGARON(PONERSE A LAS ORDENES).

POR QUE ES JUSTO, PARA QUE SE SEPA Y SE ENTIENDA, SE AVERIGÜE (INVESTIGUE)SI SE ENTREGARON LOS 400 INDIOS Y SI TODOS VIENEN EN EL CONTINGENTE...(PARA ESO) MANDÓ HACER LA CUENTA DE TODOS ELLOS POR SUS NOMBRES, CON SUS MUJERES E HIJOS, DE SUS BARRIOS, PARCIALIDADES (ORIGEN Y VECINDAD)Y A QUIE TRAÍN POR CAPITAN, PARA QUE EN TODO TIENPO CONSTE LA VERDAD. SE HIZO LA CUENTA DE LA MANERA SIGUIENTE:

.....
(ENSEGUIDA VIENE LA LISTA DE LOS NOMBRES DE LOS INDIOS Y EN QUE "CARRO"(CONTINGENTE) VENIAN...

ALGUIEN MAS QUE COLABORE?
_________________________________________________________________________________________
eN ESPAÑOL ARRIBA
(THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC TRALATION)

COLLECTION OF DOCUMENTS FOR THE HISTORY OF SAN LUIS POTOSI
ACCOUNT FOR THEIR NAMES (census) of the Indians of Tlaxcala that cometh to populate BETWEEN CHICHIMECAS

IN RIO DE SAN JUAN (TODAY SAN JUAN DEL RIO QUERETARO) ON 6 JULY 1591, AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA VILLABICENCIO, lieutenant OF captain-general for the "New Settlement of CHICHIMECAS OF HIS EXCELLENCY LUIS DE VELASCO, Knight of the Order of Santiago, Viceroy, Governor, CAPTAIN GENERAL OF THIS NEW SPAIN, PRESIDENT OF THE HEARING REAL... TO ME THE NOTARY, SAID:
THE GOVERNOR, MAYORS AND PRINCIPAL (Chief) of the city of Tlaxcala offer the Lord Viceroy 400 Indians MARRIED NEIGHBORS AND ORIGIN OF SAID CITY (ZONE), FOR THEM TO DO (FOUND) THESE Settlement (THE NEW Settlement OF CHICHIMECAS) and they came up and divided into 4 "CUADRILLAS WAGON? OF WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN IN SAID CITY (SAN JUAN DEL RIO) WHERE were to be released (himself at the orders) to Lieutenant (AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA). SOME "decent respect (respect) is not given (himself at the orders).

WHY IS JUST, TO BE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND, HE LEARN (searching) IF THE 400 GIVE INDIANS AND IF ALL COME IN THE QUOTA ... (With this intention) He (lieutenant VILLABICENCIO)mandates ACCOUNT FOR YOUR NAME ALL OF THEM WITH their wives and children, its neighborhoods, partial (ORIGIN AND NEIGHBORHOOD) AND QUIE Train by captain, allways EVIDENCED THROUGHOUT THE TRUTH. ACCOUNT WAS MADE AS FOLLOWS:

.....
(next COMES THE LIST OF NAMES AND THAT THE INDIANS "CART", come

Here is a slightly different English translation .... hope it makes sense
... original is below

Collection of documents of the history of San Luis Potosi.
Recorded by names (census) of the Tlaxcal Indians that came to settle with
the Chichimecas.

In El Rio de San Juan (today San Juan del rio Queretaro) on the 6th of July
of 1561, Agustin de Hinojosa Villabicencio, Lieutenant of Captain-General
for the new settlement of Chichimecas of his Excellency Luis de Velasco,
Knight of the Order of Santiago, Viceroy, Governor, Captain General of New
Spain, President of the Real Audencia… Before me the notary said: That the
governor, mayors and elders (chiefs) of the city of Tlaxcala offered Senor
Virrey 400 married Indians all original citizens of said city (Tlaxcala),
for the establishment of said settlement (the new Chichimeca settlement),
who left and were divided into 4 wagon groups with their women and children
in said city (San Juan del Rio) where they were supposed to deliver
themselves (submit to orders) to the Lieutenant (Agustin de Hinojosa). Some
respectfully did not deliver themselves (did not submit to orders).

Because it is just that it be known and understood, it must be determined
(investigate) if the 400 indians delivered themselves and if all are apart
of the contingent … (with that intent) he (lieutenant Agustin de Hinojosa)
mandates an account with names including women and children, neighborhood,
details (origin and neighborhood) and chief. In order for the truth to be
known for all time, the count was taken in the following manner:

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From:
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:03 AM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] TRASLATION TO englisH

> TRASLATION TO englisH down
> COLECCION DE DOCUMENTOS PARA LA HISTORIA DE SAN LUIS POTOSI
> CUENTA POR SUS NOMBRES (CENSO) DE LOS INDIOS DE TLAXCAL QUE VINIERO A
> POBLAR ENTRE LOS CHICHIMECAS
>
> EN EL RIO DE SAN JUAN (HOY SAN JUAN DEL RIO QUERETARO)EL 6 DE JULIO DE
> 1591, AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA VILLABICENCIO, TENIENTE DE CAPITAN GENERAL PARA
> LAS NUEVAS POBLACIONNES DE CHICHIMECAS DEL EXCELENTISIMO SEÑOR DON LUIS DE
> VELASCO, CABALLERO DE LA ORDEN DE SANTIAGO, VIRREY, GOBERNADOR, CAPITAN
> GENERAL DE ESTA NUEVA ESPAÑA, PRESIDENTE DE LA REAL AUDIENCIA... ANTE MI
> EL NOTARIO, DIJO:
> QUE EL GOBERNADOR, ALCALDES Y PRINCIPALES (CACIQUES) DE LA CIUDAD DE
> TLAXCALA OFRECIERON AL SEÑOR VIRREY 400 INDIOS CASADOS VECINOS Y
> ORIGINARIOS DE DICHA CIUDAD(TLAXCALA), PARA CON ELLOS HACER (FUNDAR)
> DICHAS POBLACIONES (LAS NUEVAS POBLACIONES DE LOS CHICHIMECAS), LOS CUALES
> SALIERON Y SE DIVIDIERON EN 4 "CUADRILLAS DE CARROS"? CON SUS MUJERES E
> HIJOS EN DICHA CIUDAD (SAN JUAN DEL RIO)DONDE HABIAN DE ENTREGARSE
> (PONERSE A LAS ORDENES)AL TENIENTE(AGUSTIN DE HINOJOSA). ALGUNOS "JUSTOS
> RESPETOS"(RESPETADOS) NO SE ENTREGARON(PONERSE A LAS ORDENES).
> POR QUE ES JUSTO, PARA QUE SE SEPA Y SE ENTIENDA, SE AVERIGÜE
> (INVESTIGUE)SI SE ENTREGARON LOS 400 INDIOS Y SI TODOS VIENEN EN EL
> CONTINGENTE...(PARA ESO) MANDÓ HACER LA CUENTA DE TODOS ELLOS POR SUS
> NOMBRES, CON SUS MUJERES E HIJOS, DE SUS BARRIOS, PARCIALIDADES (ORIGEN Y
> VECINDAD)Y A QUIE TRAÍN POR CAPITAN, PARA QUE EN TODO TIENPO CONSTE LA
> VERDAD. SE HIZO LA CUENTA DE LA MANERA SIGUIENTE:
>
>
> ..... (ENSEGUIDA VIENE LA LISTA DE LOS NOMBRES DE LOS INDIOS Y EN QUE
> "CARRO"(CONTINGENTE) VENIAN...
>
> ALGUIEN MAS QUE COLABORE?
> _________________________________________________________________________________________

Thank you Miguel for taking on the transciption of this very important document and thank you Angela for such a beautiful and clear translation.

Now we just need some additional volunteers to transcribe the list of names...

Please members, think of all that you get from this community and if you have some time to spare, please consider giving a bit of it back for the sake of the community.

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