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By Esther Jordan Lopez - Posted on 18 November 2009

Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.

Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.

--Esther Jordan Lopez

Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio
Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening
record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the original,
or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where I
can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the
dates of his christening.

Esther,

I hope I did not come across as getting after you; that was by no means my
intention; I wanted to just inform people that sources are very important
when doing genealogy or family history; (whichever you prefer) and
particular attention needs to be given to where the original information is
coming from. On a different note, one should always go and look at the film;
there is often additional information that can help in the investigation. So
please forgive me if I was mean in any way again, it was not my intention.
As far as the records for Portezuelo, Jalisco go, I will look into it later
today and post an answer either tonight or tomorrow morning. I work a late
schedule every Wednesday, sorry! What time period are you interested in?

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane

Thank you, Eduardo, and no I am not offended in any way.  I am rather grateful to get help
from you if at all possible. 

Here's my situation:  I got a birth record from Portezuelo for my
great, grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez.  Her parents were Rosendo Vaca and Anastacia Velasquez; her paternal grand parents were:  Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz; her maternal grand parents were Refugio Velasquez and Maria Linares; her padrinos:  Blas Luna and Vitola Vaca.  The baptism record 
from Pbro. Rafael Santana Ortiz, parroco de Ntra. Sra. de Gpe. y Sto. Toribio Romo en
Portezuelo, Jalisco. 

Maria Guadalupe Vaca Velasquez was born 14 March 1881.  I cannot seem to find anything for her parents, such as birth, or marriage records.  I guesstimate 1860's?  I do know that her father Rosendo Vaca was killed before his daughter was born, and that Anastacia remarried a Jose Cerda.  This last part is history given to me by my mother. 

I know you are a very busy person but I'm hoping to get some ideas on how to continue this research.  Thank you.   Esther Jordan Lopez, esther@enhanced.org

Esther,

I hope I did not come across as getting after you; that was by no means my
intention; I wanted to just inform people that sources are very important
when doing genealogy or family history; (whichever you prefer) and
particular attention needs to be given to where the original information is
coming from. On a different note, one should always go and look at the film;
there is often additional information that can help in the investigation. So
please forgive me if I was mean in any way again, it was not my intention.
As far as the records for Portezuelo, Jalisco go, I will look into it later
today and post an answer either tonight or tomorrow morning. I work a late
schedule every Wednesday, sorry! What time period are you interested in?

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane
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Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

IGI Individual Record

Mexico

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VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
DOLORES ORTIS
Family

Marriage:

23 MAR 1843
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602909
1836 - 1861
0281073
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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Thank you, Daniel. 
You are right about people traveling in my area.  My ancestors are from La Barca, Portezuelo, Jamay, Ocotlan, Guadalajara and I think surrounding areas.  I guess I should start by ordering the marriage record of Vicente Vaca and Dolores Ortiz.

Thanks again. 
 -Esther

Hi Esther, its Daniel Mendez! Well I found this (below) not

sure if you have it. We are dealing with Portozuelo,

this might be a bit of a task considering in Los Altos

there was much changes in borders, new cities being created

ownership of land changing. Well Portuzulo is near other

major towns in Los Altos; all whom were customed to travel

to those places and back.

 

I call: Tepatitlan, La Barca and Ayo el Chico (Ayotlan) and Ocotlan.

 

It will be common to see people from all this places travel back and

forth; even San Miguel el Alto a bit further north. Have you checked

this other places? I did find Vicente's and Dolores' Marriage.

 

IGI Individual Record

 
Mexico

Search Results  | Download | Print 

VICENTE VACA
Pedigree

 
Male
 
Family

Event(s):

Birth: 

Christening: 

Death: 

Burial: 

Marriages:

 
Spouse: 
DOLORES ORTIS 
Family

 
Marriage: 

23 MAR 1843  
La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records 
are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. 

Source Information:

Batch No.: 
Dates: 
Source Call No.: 
Type: 
Printout Call No.: 
Type: 

M602909 
1836 - 1861 
0281073  
Film 
NONE 
 

Sheet: 00
       
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Yup, the marriage should lead you into the late 1700s! Which is good

possible more matches in IGI as one gets older in their tree; especially

in Los Altos where most families if not all have been researched

-Daniel

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Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town (town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas, Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> From: esther@enhanced.org
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:44:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo
>
> Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy sometimes.
>
> Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.
>
> --Esther Jordan Lopez
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio
> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening
> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the
> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

Yes, I forgot Atotonilco, that was the other town in the vicinity. Most of the places I mention,

Esther, used to be part of Tepatitlan, but knowing the spaniards, borders changed, land

was sold, new places were created. Like La Barca used to be part of Tepa, if I am not

mistaken.

-Daniel Mendez

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Alessandro,
Hello, and thank you! This is great. You have given me new ideas to continue my research. I will begin to look into those areas you suggested.

May your life be full of joy! -Esther

Esther, I greet you and send you a big hug. I think I can give you some tips
about Portezuelo. First, i want to tell you that I visited several times
Portezuelo several years ago because I had a friend who was born next town
(town´s name is El Tarengo in ancient time and actually it is named Villa
Garcia de Marquez). On that time when I visited his family there with him we
were doing genealogical research for his family and I visited several places
arround. What I can tell you about Portezuelo is that indeed they have
principaly civil records, most of it´s church records are in La Barca
precisely. The usage of the people in that region in anceint times was the
following: the familyis went either to La Barca or to Atotonilco el Alto. In
those 2 places you will find the christening registers for most of the families
from Portezuelo. There are several town arround named: Milpillas, Margaritas,
Sta. Rita, El Tarengo and others that I do not recall now.

Hope this info helps you

Best regards

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> From: esther@enhanced.org
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:44:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Hidalgo yCostilla- Eduardo
>
> Hi, Eduardo, I apologize for not checking sources. I tend to get lazy
sometimes.
>
> Will you help me with a question about Portezuelo, Jalisco? I can only find
civil registry through FHC. Are there are sources you might know of that cover
Portezuelo? I know La Barca has some records from Portezuelo but I haven't seen
a whole lot. Do I need to actually visit Portezuelo to do my research. Any
ideas? Thank you, I appreciate any information you may give me.
>
> --Esther Jordan Lopez
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the actual christening record for Miguel Gregorio

> Antonio Ignacio Hidalgo y Costilla? I have been searching for his christening

> record but have come up empty handed. I am aware of the transcript of about
> 1829 that is found online but I would like to look at the copy of the
original,
> or if possible eventually the original. Does anyone have a copy or know where
I
> can find one? Unfortunately the Genealogical Society of Utah did not film the

> dates of his christening.
>
>
>

Eduardo,

Thank you! Yes, I believe I recently found a record for one of my Vaca relatives in La Barca. I will also look in Atotonilco el Alto and surrounding areas.

Thank you, and Daniel, and Alessandro! I have new ideas!

-Esther Jordan Lopez

Esther,

Daniel has helped you out with some really good information. You might also
want to check records in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco which is about the same
distance away from Portezuelo as La Barca. However, I would look in La Barca
first before anywhere else; especially for the Vaca side of the family.

Good luck!

Eduardo H Seoane

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