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By Cortes - Posted on 16 November 2009

On LDS

I am looking for Deciderio Tinajero from San Felipe Guanajuato Mexico .....When I enter his hame....he does come up but his son (Jose Marciano Tianjero Alonso) also comes up and it gives me the son's info not Deciderio. I need Deciderio's info like his parents name. How can I pull that on LDS on

I'm lookin under Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900.

Maria:

I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.

What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.

If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.

Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.

He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:

Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro

There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Maria:

I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.

What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.

If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.

Follow maximianas line to see if she had an ancestor with the huerta last name or if she had a previous marriage before you rule her out.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Cortes
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:34:44
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.

He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:

Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro

There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Maria:

I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.

What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.

If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.

When I enter Huerta as a last name...I get so many but her name never comes up even if I do Huerta all over Mexico not just Guanajuato. I looked through 20 pages with Huerta as a last name...shouldn't she come up eventually?

for example I find a Antonio Huerta born in 1820 in San Felipe. I pull Antonio as the parent to see if she comes up as a child but nothing. I have tried like 15 different people as parents and nothing. I need help.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:41 AM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Follow maximianas line to see if she had an ancestor with the huerta last name or if she had a previous marriage before you rule her out.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Cortes
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:34:44
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.

He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:

Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro

There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo

Maria:

I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.

What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.

If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.

Maria:

My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).

Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.

You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

Ok...I will order the film...hope it has the info I need.

Thanks a bunch.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta

Maria:

My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).

Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.

You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order it.

Thanks

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta

Maria:

My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).

Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.

You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

Maria,

The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.

Saludos desde lago salado
Eduardo H Seoane

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:

> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

Thank you.

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta

Maria,

The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.

Saludos desde lago salado
Eduardo H Seoane

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:

> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

Maria,

Do you know who he Deciderio married?

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:

> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.

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