You are hereForums / Genealogy Research / Reyes / Tiscareño

Reyes / Tiscareño

warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/lafamilia/nuestrosranchos.com/sites/all/modules/mailhandler/mailhandler.module on line 123.

By Bill Figueroa - Posted on 01 May 2009

Daniel,

I am answering your question in this forum so that other members can participate and benefit with the information provided. I have done extensive research on this family, so here it is the basic info. in a nutshell:

Luis de los Reyes and Juana de Vargas were married 27 Dec 1636 in Aguascalientes. Juana used the surname Vargas for about 16 years, then all of a sudden she began using the surname Tiscareño. Apparently, she was child of Luis Tiscareño de Molina, born shortly before he married Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza in 1623. Luis Tiscareño appears as "soltero" shortly before he married Lorenza, not "viudo".

Luis de los Reyes and Juana de Vargas (aka Juana de Tiscareño) had at least 10 children born between 1638-1665, i.e. Juan, María, Luisa, Luis, Isabel, Josepha, Inés, Juana, Theresa and Antonio.

Luisa, born in 1643, married Antonio Dias de Lomas 9 Jul 1670 in Aguascalientes.

Bill Figueroa

--------------------------------------------

Hi Bill I found this while going through the baptisms for Aguas

En la Villa de Aguas. en 27 de septiembre de 1643....bauticé una niña...Luisa, española hija de Luís de los Reyes y Juana de Vargas, españoles......

Do you think these are the same Luis Reyes and Juana Tiscareño? Same time frame and place have you worked on this couple? Is Juana Tiscareño de molina the same as Juana de Vargas? Could ????? de Vargas be the possible first wife of Luis Tiscareño before marrying Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza? Then Juana could have used the mother's name? I was fixing the tree, did this couple had a Luisa Reyes ? I had Antonio Dias de Lomas as husband to both Luisa Reyes and Luisa Tiscareno? Am i correct? Who was Antonio Dias de Lomas' wife? Im confused, thanks in advance! -Daniel

Jaime and Daniel,

As Jaime mentioned in an earlier message, Juan de los Reyes Tiscareño was
described by the priest as being "mestiso". All other children of Luis de
los Reyes and Juana de Tiscareño were described as "españoles". Of their
ten children, this is the only one described as "mestiso" but I have my
suspicions that Juana de Vargas was an illegitimate child of Luis Tiscareño
and that her mother, probably a sister of María de la Jara, may have been
"india" or "mestisa". Here is a transcription of the baptism of Juan de los
Reyes:

Al margen: "Joan mestiso"

"En la Villa de Aguas Calientes en dos dias del mes de noviembre de mill y
seiscientos y treintaiocho años en la Parrochial cathechise y exorcise, puse
los olios Stos a un niño a quien en caso de necesidad Baptiso María de la
Jara y puso por nombre Juan, hijo legitimo de Luis de los Reyes y Juana de
Vargas fue su madrina de Baptismo y cathecqismo la susodicha y para que
conste en testimonio de verdad lo firme [firma] el Licdo Diego de Torres y
Ribera"

I believe a child of "castizo" and "español" was considered "español". The
baptismal record of Isabel de los Reyes reads as follows:

Al margen: "Isabel española"

"En dho dia mes y año Baptise y puse los Stos Olios en esta Yglesia
Parrochial de aguas calientes a Ysabel hija lejitima de Luis de los Reies y
Juana de Vargas vecinos de esta villa fueron Padrinos Gaspar de Palos y
Maria de Retamossa su esposa [f] Melchor Tostado"

María de la Jara was still alive in 1654. The baptismal record of Josepha
de los Reyes reads as follows:

Al margen: "Josepha esp"

"En dho dia mes y año (21 abril 1654) Baptise y puse los Stos Olios a
Josepha hija lejitima de Luis de los Reies y Juana de Tiscareño fue su
Madrina Maria de la Xara. [firma] Melchor Tostado"

I believe this is the first time Juana appears with the surname Tiscareño.
The godmother of the next child, Inés de los Reyes, was Lorenza Ruiz de
Esparza. So, my guess is that shortly before 1654 Luis Tiscareño
acknowledged Juana as a legitimate child. Luis Tiscareño died in 1660.

María de la Jara Espinosa (daughter of Miguel de Espinosa and Leonor de
Estrada) may have been related to María de la Jara. Notice that she was
given "de la Xara" as part of her first name (nombre de pila) but preferred
to use María de Espinosa.

Incidentally, there are many clues in later records that confirm that Juana
de Vargas and Juana de Tiscareño were one and the same. Do you have any
doubts?

Bill Figueroa

Hola Antonio, revisé el acta de matrimonio de tus ancestros en San José de Gracia, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes en 30 de marzo de 1818.

El acta dice: ... José María Santillanes, indio soltero de veinte años de edad, originario y vecino de Santiago, hijo legítimo de Atanasio Santillanes, difunto, y de María Juliana Jiménez; con María Dionisia Reyes, india doncella de diez y siete años de edad, originaria de Paredes y vecina de Santiago también de ésta feligresía de cinco meses a esta parte, hija legítima de Cornelio Reyes, difunto, y María Asención Morales...

José Atanasio Santillán y María Juliana Jiménez casaron en Rincón de Romos el día 25 de noviembre de 1795. El acta menciona lo siguinete: ... José Atanasio Santillán, indio de ésta feligresía en la Hacienda de Santiago, hijo legítimo de Asencio Santillán y de Juana María Manriquez, difunta; con María Juliana Jiménez, india de ésta feligresía en Santiago, hija legítima de José Justo Jiménez y María Francisca de Lara...

Asencio Santillán y Juana Hilaria (María) Manrique casaron en Aguascalientes el día 14 de febrero de 1762. El acta dice: ... Asencio Santillán, mulato originario de Lagos y vecino de esta Villa en Garabatos, hijo natural de María Marta Santillán; con Juana Hilaria Manrique, mulata originaria y vecina de ésta Villa en dicho Garabato, hija legítima de Rafael Manriquez y de Gertrudis Efigenia Serrano...

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
¿Quieres ganar premios con Windows Live?
www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx

Bill,
I'm convinced! You have presented enough direct evidence to leave little doubt that Juana Tiscareño married to Luis de Reyes was the daughter of Luis de Tiscareño. Further, it is clear that this Juana is not the same Juana, daughter of Lorenza, because we know she died 'single'. The only one thing that surprises me is how 'forgiving' Lorenza was of the 'situation' to even become the madrina of Inés in1656, just shortly after Juana started using the Tiscareño surname (1654), perhaps because she Luis recognized her in public. In many regards, Lorenza's action must have served as a validation of Juana's status.
Great research work!

Jaime Alvarado

For Bill and Jaime: Do you have anymore info on Francisco Velasco spouse of Nicolasa Esparza? And also on the Flores de Robles since now im reading they are Flores de la Torre? Who was the patriarch of the Beltrán de la Cueva. -Daniel P.s sorry its not totally relevent and will make a new topic, but is does include about the Velascos who married the Tiscareños.

_________________________________________________________________
Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email.
http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008

Daniel,

As far as I know, the compounded surname Beltrán de la Cueva started with
Pedro de la Cueva and Elena Beltrán. Some of their children used the
surname Beltrán de la Cueva, although sometimes they used only De la Cueva.
Pedro and Elena baptized five children en Aguascalientes between 1679-1690.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Méndez del Camino"
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reyes / Tiscareño

For Bill and Jaime: Do you have anymore info on Francisco Velasco spouse of
Nicolasa Esparza? And also on the Flores de Robles since now im reading they
are Flores de la Torre? Who was the patriarch of the Beltrán de la
Cueva. -Daniel PS Sorry its not totally relevant and will make a new topic,
but is does include about the Velascos who married the Tiscareños.

Bill and Daniel,
In the burial record of Nicolasa Beltran de la Cueva -the names of her parents are listed as Pedro Beltran de la Cueva and Elena Beltran de la Cueva both from the town of Irapuato. Yet, in all the christenings of this couple children, they appears as Pedro de la Cueba and as Elena Beltran. Later, as Bill correctly mentioned, the Beltran de la Cueva appears. I wonder if they were indeed Beltran de la Cueva, maybe cousins and they were trying to hide the fact. I've tried to find more info on these couple, without success. However, there are records of the surname Beltran de la Cueba, Veltran de la Cueva, or Veltran de la Cueba in Guadalajara and in Guanjuato extending back to the mid 1600's.

Jaime Alvarado

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Figueroa"
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 9:11:37 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reyes / Tiscareño

Daniel,

As far as I know, the compounded surname Beltrán de la Cueva started with
Pedro de la Cueva and Elena Beltrán. Some of their children used the
surname Beltrán de la Cueva, although sometimes they used only De la Cueva.
Pedro and Elena baptized five children en Aguascalientes between 1679-1690.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Méndez del Camino"
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reyes / Tiscareño

For Bill and Jaime: Do you have anymore info on Francisco Velasco spouse of
Nicolasa Esparza? And also on the Flores de Robles since now im reading they
are Flores de la Torre? Who was the patriarch of the Beltrán de la
Cueva. -Daniel PS Sorry its not totally relevant and will make a new topic,
but is does include about the Velascos who married the Tiscareños.

The interesting part is Elena apparently uses the surnames Jaén (same as the Esparza do) and Gaytán where do these fit in. Pedro de la Cueva y Elena de Beltrán aka: Elena de Gaytán aka: Elena de Jaén -Daniel

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster.
http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008

Joge Luis Buen dia

te agradesco ti informacion muy valiosa y ademas confirmo un cambio el origen de mis antepasados, ahora seguire la linea que tu amablemente me pasaste.

Gracias y saludos

Antonio Santillan

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 10:03:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reyes / Tiscareño
>
>
> Hola Antonio, revisé el acta de matrimonio de tus ancestros en San José de Gracia, Rincón de Romos, Aguascalientes en 30 de marzo de 1818.
>
>
>
> El acta dice: ... José María Santillanes, indio soltero de veinte años de edad, originario y vecino de Santiago, hijo legítimo de Atanasio Santillanes, difunto, y de María Juliana Jiménez; con María Dionisia Reyes, india doncella de diez y siete años de edad, originaria de Paredes y vecina de Santiago también de ésta feligresía de cinco meses a esta parte, hija legítima de Cornelio Reyes, difunto, y María Asención Morales...
>
>
>
> José Atanasio Santillán y María Juliana Jiménez casaron en Rincón de Romos el día 25 de noviembre de 1795. El acta menciona lo siguinete: ... José Atanasio Santillán, indio de ésta feligresía en la Hacienda de Santiago, hijo legítimo de Asencio Santillán y de Juana María Manriquez, difunta; con María Juliana Jiménez, india de ésta feligresía en Santiago, hija legítima de José Justo Jiménez y María Francisca de Lara...
>
>
>
> Asencio Santillán y Juana Hilaria (María) Manrique casaron en Aguascalientes el día 14 de febrero de 1762. El acta dice: ... Asencio Santillán, mulato originario de Lagos y vecino de esta Villa en Garabatos, hijo natural de María Marta Santillán; con Juana Hilaria Manrique, mulata originaria y vecina de ésta Villa en dicho Garabato, hija legítima de Rafael Manriquez y de Gertrudis Efigenia Serrano...
>
>
>
> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> ¿Quieres ganar premios con Windows Live?
> www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx

Saludos a todos:

Algun pariente o linea de Asencio Santillán y Juana Hilaria (María) Manrique casaron en Aguascalientes el día 14 de febrero de 1762. El acta dice: ... Asencio Santillán, originario de Lagos y vecino de esta Villa en Garabatos, hijo natural de María Marta Santillán; con Juana Hilaria Manrique, originaria y vecina de ésta Villa en dicho Garabato, hija legítima de Rafael Manriquez y de Gertrudis Efigenia Serrano.

Sobre todo ligas o linea ancestral de Asencio y su mama María Marta Santillán ya que no viene nombre del padre por lo cual supongo que fue una madre soltera o algo parecido vecinos de Lagos.

Gracias de antemano

Antonio Santilan

_________________________________________________________________
Y tú, ¿ya actualizaste tu Perfil?
http://www.actualizatuperfil.com.mx/

.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Navigation

Who's online

There are currently 1 user and 5 guests online.

Online users

  • arturoramos

Languages