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By Patricia Burton - Posted on 15 March 2009

Sunday, Mar 15, 2009

Dear Victoriano-

I have two feelings about indices. First, that they are good and help you to find someone quickly, if they are indeed listed. Second, that they are bad because you might skip over someone needed for your family tree. Personally, I would check the film completely at least once, if it was very important because even if you don't find the person you want, you might find other relatives.

Recently, I came across a Cipriana GODINEZ, daughter of Juan GODINEZ and Estefania DE LA TORRE. I have been looking for her brother for at least 30 years. She was in an index of Toluquilla, Jalisco. I had found her parents listed in another index for being married in Toluquilla but with the wrong year...someone had extracted it incorrectly by 10 years. That was many years ago.

Cipriana herself had said at the time of her marriage, 2 Nov 1907, in Atotonilco el Alto, that she was from Toluquila. None of her other siblings said that and since she was the only one and not on my husband's direct line, I didn't bother to order the film. Some of the other siblings had sent me off on other goose chases which resulted in NO new information.

The nice thing about finding Cipriana born on 9 Oct 1884 in Toluquilla, and I have now ordered that film, is that it pushed her brother Juan GODINEZ down a couple of years to where he should more correctly be listed. I still haven't found Juan, who is on my husband's direct line, nor 2 other siblings but I feel I am getting closer. Eventually as more indexes become available, I will find these errant GODINEZ people.

I hope my answer helps you decide what to do. As you can see, there is no exact science to Family History and sometimes even after very diligent work, nothing comes of it and then sooner or later the answer we seek appears.

Best of luck to you in your search.

Sincerely,
Patrica Burton
San Diego

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, victorianonavarro wrote:

> From: victorianonavarro
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] IGI Indices.... Ancestors in Ocotlan, Jalisco...
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:21 PM
> Dear Patricia,
> Thanks for your message I don't really know for sure if
> I should be looking for VICTORIANO NAVARRO in Ocotlán.
> I found the names of his parents and grandparents in al old
> family tree prepared in 1935 by one of his grandsons.
> Recently I was able to confirm the names of his parents
> (MARIA ENCARNACIÓN SEPEDA & DOMINGO NAVARRO) by finding
> baptism records of his chidren from northen Coahuila. I
> still have to find out whether the names of his grandparets
> (FERNANDA SARAVIA & JOSÉ MARÍA NAVARRO and RAFAEL
> SEPEDA & ROSA SAUCEDO) are aso correct or not. I am
> trying to find a marriage or baptism record for Victoriano
> himself (hoping to find the names of his grandparents), then
> I would like to try to find the same for his parents, and
> only then I could make sure whether the records you mention
> do correspond or not to my ancestors. The only source of
> information regarding Victoriano's Ocotlán origin is a
> book regarding the Madero famiy genealogy written by Carlos
> B Madero, the youngest brother of President Fco. Madero. I
> wonder if he was actually from some other town in Jalisco.
> I know Victoriano was born about 1808, but I went to the
> IGI Indices of bapisms from Ocotlán around 1808 (found in
> this webpage) and I could not find his name. Do you or
> somebody else knows if these indices contain ALL the names
> included in the microfilms? Should I bother looking for his
> baptism record in these microfms if his name does not appear
> in the IGI indices?
> Thanks again fo the information.
> Warmest regards,
> Victoriano Navarro

Sorry Victoriano, this message is for Patricia Burton. She is right about the indexes, you can never assume they are 100% accurate. For anyone reading this, I am sorry about posting it within this article and pay close attention to the name variations. Many of you already know this but for those that do not or need a reminder, always check different variations in the spelling.

Patricia,
I do not know if you are aware of these other children of Juan and Estrefania. Chances are that these are all family of Cipriana. There are probably other family members that I did not find. It looks like the family was in Octolán first and then Toluquila and finally settled in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México. Some of my family is from Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México so we might end up being cousins. Here you go this might help you.

By the way Victoriano I might end up being related to you also since I also have Sepeda's (Zepeda, Cepeda) in Coahuila also.

Name: Vicente Godines De La Torre
Gender: Male
Christening date: 29 Jul 1902
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefania De La Torre
Batch number: I02248-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222145
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Manuel Godinez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 14 Jun 1906
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godinez
Mother name: Estefania Torres
Batch number: I02154-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222147
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Nicolas Godinez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 08 Oct 1893
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godinez
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I06361-2
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222137
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Cipriana Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 09 Oct 1884
Christening place: Toluquilla, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Toluquilla, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I04462-3
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 445248
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Gemela Francisca Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 06 Oct 1893
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I06361-2
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222137
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Martina Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 16 Feb 1883
Christening place: Octolán, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefania Alatorre
Batch number: I03736-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 280867
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Tomas Godriez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 12 Mar 1897
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godriez
Mother name: Estefama Alatorre
Batch number: I04903-3
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222140
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Dear Patricia and Eduardo,
Thanks for your commnents. You are right, sometimes just by browsing a microfilm you can find siblings or cousins of your ancestors, and get some interesting or new information that helps you sooner or later. I guess I'll put the Ocotlán micorfilm in my "to check" list after all.
By the way Eduardo, I noticed in your name list a "Gemela Francisca Godines". Was "Gemela" her name? Because it also means "Twin sister" in Spanish, and I've seen many batrism records from Mexico where they list twin siblings together.
Warmest regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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