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By Visitor - Posted on 17 January 2009

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines of
research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El
Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am hoping
other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far back as
Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco died
about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca
(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner
(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686. He
died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal (twins,
July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de
Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle. Gertrudis
was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in
Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The
couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in church
books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born
about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I
believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well as a
rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the Gutierres
family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May 1772.
They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan, and
again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to find
a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married Maria
Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage record
in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect marriage
around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)
Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for whom
I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about 1815
in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara May
1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully
eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can
turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly have
information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have
suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the
1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would
appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

Susan and Joe,
You will find many from this group who share your ancestors. I am one
of them. Your research will also take you to Jalostotitlan which is
where the majority of my ancestors are from. I am leaving to the
inauguration but will share my information when I return.
Bienvenidos!
Eloise Gomez Reyes

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan and Joe Cadena
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines
of
research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El
Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am
hoping
other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far
back as
Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco
died
about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca
(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were
espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner
(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686.
He
died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal
(twins,
July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de
Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle.
Gertrudis
was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in
Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The
couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in
church
books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born
about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I
believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well
as a
rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the
Gutierres
family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May
1772.
They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan,
and
again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to
find
a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married
Maria
Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage
record
in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect
marriage
around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)
Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for
whom
I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about
1815
in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara
May
1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully
eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can
turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly
have
information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have
suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the
1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would
appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

Hi Susan! We are related, here is what I have on Francisco

Francisco Gutiérrez y Rubio (your line ends here) b. abt 1610 Jalos

Miguel Gutiérrez y Rubio b. abt 1585 Jalos

Francisco Gutiérrez de la Vega y Rubio b. abt 1551 Spain or Mexico City married the famous
Ana González y Florida (I) eventually there would be other 5 Ana González y Floridas (her daughter,
several grandchildren etc. Common practice to be given surname of a famous ancestor or to honor them

Diego González de la Vega abt 1515 Spain and María Rubio (Both parents created compound surname)

Lomelini

Juana di Lomelini b. abt 1615 Nochistlán died 20 oct 1692 Nochistlán
her first marriage was to don Rodrigo de Carvajal y Ulloa. Child
of the Italian Carlo di Lomelini born in Genoa, Italy ca. 1584 and
María Benavídez she died 9 dec 1669 Nochistlán.

Miguel actually wasn't Gutiérrez y Rubio eventhough his father was named for the paternal line
the other children combined surnames to form Gutiérrez de Hermosillo.
Miguel Gutiérrez de HErmosillo married Ana de Alba y Flores. Miguel died
29 oct 1727 in Tepa.
Some helpful hints! Most of the Spanish Alteño families already have been researched and their genealogy has been perserved! So all we need to do is to connect smaller branches to the big
"Spanish Trunk" (joke). You can easily trace back to Europe, don't worry you have two lines right in
this email! I Hope this helps alot! Welcome to the group! I hope you can get to know all of us and be part of a huge family. -daniel Camino
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Hi Susan!

Welcome and good luck on your search for your family treasures.

Your introduction and David's response compelled me to share something I
recently received.

Can anyone verify the following information I received from my Tia in
Jalostotilan regarding the original families from Jalos:

Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) Florida & Ana Gonzalez Florida the
First (I*)

(*note there was a mother, daughter and a granddaughter with the same name
Ana Gonzalez Florida.) This marriage resulted in the following six families
& the following descendants:

Ana Gonzalez Florida II married Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Munoz, son of
Juan Gonzalez Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, resulting in the Gonzalez de
Hermosillo Family in the region.

Captain Miguel Gutierrez Rubio married Leonor de Hermosillo, daughter of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, who is Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo's sister resulting in the Gutierrez de Hermosillo Family in the
region.

Catalina Gutierrez Rubion (also appeared like Gonzalez de la Reguera)
married Francisco Munoz del la Bara, resulting in the Munoz de la Barba
Family in the region.

Diego Gonzalez Rubio (I) married Polonia de Torres, daughter of Nicolas
Ramirez and Polonia de Torres, two of the first residents of Aguascalientes,
resulting in the Gonzalez Rubio Family in the region.

Maria Gonzalez Munoa de Aceves married Juan de Aceves which resulted in the

Aceves Family in the region.

Captain Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (II) El Mozo, married Francisca Hurtado de
Mendoza y Olivares, daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza, which formed the Gutierrez de Mendoza Family which later resulted
in the

Gutierrez de Laris Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (I) married Maria Munoz in which 5 families
emerged:

Leonor de Hermosillo was born in 1588 married Captain Gutierrez Rubio, son
of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez Florida (I), the
Gutierrez de Hermosillo family.

Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo (born 1589) married Silvestre Camacho Riguleme
forming the Camacho Riguelme Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (II) (born 1591) married Ana Gonzalez Florida
(II) daughter of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez
Florida (I) forming the

Gonzalez de Hermosillo family.

Beatriz de Hermosillo (born 1593) married Juan de Aceves, forming the Aceves
Family (

Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo (born 1598) married Paula de Torres

daughter of Nicolas Ramirez & Polonia de Torres, of the original families
in Aguascalientes. This family had seven children. Only four had
descendents.

Garcia de Hermosillo (owners of Papalote in Jalos)

Gonzalez de Hermosillo (La familia Ramirez de Coca y el Saus de los Ramirez
who took the last name Ramirez (maternal grandfather Nicolas Ramirez) and
not Gonzaslez/Gonzalez

and the Aceves family through the grandson Juan Munoz de Aceves.

Toribio Hernandez de Arellano who married Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza,
neighbors of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, (born in 1540 or 1550)
had four daughters.

Isabel de Mendoza (born 1568) married Alvaro de Ornelas

resulting in the Ornelas y Mendoza Family.

They were married in Lagos on October 29, 1586.

Their children formed the Marquez de los Olivos Family &

and the Aguirre and Cervantes Family.

Ana Sanchez de Mendoza (born 1570) married Juan Becerra.

They had two children and through their grandchildren formed the Lopes de
Elizalde, Ramas de Ags, San Juan de los Lagos and Ayo el Chico, and Aceves y
Gutierrez de Hermosillo de Tepatitlan in the Cerro Gordo with many
descendants.

Marta Sanchez de Mendoza married Juan Sanchez de Lara

on May 26, 1587 in San Juan de los Lago

resulting in the Sanchez, Orozco and Ramos family names.

Maria Hurtado de Mendoza married Rodrigo de Olivares, neighbor of
Jalostotilan at the end of the sixteenth century and early seventeenth
century.

They had five children and only four had descendents which resulted in the

Ramirez de Mendoza, Padilla Davila, Gutierrez de Laris, Lomelin, Gomez,
Hurtado de Mendoza, Jimenez de Mendoza all of which had many children in the
region.

One of which is Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza who married Manuel Gomez and the
other sister married Juan Jimenez who had a daughter who married Nicolas
Jimenez. They formed the Gomez y Jimenez families with many descendants in
Jalostotitlan and the surround region.

With much appreciation to all of you for all of your wisdom and continued
guidance.

BTW can someone provide me with the details about the Sacramento meeting
next Saturday?

Thanks in advance!

Rosa

San Francisco, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Susan and
Joe Cadena
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines of

research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El

Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am hoping

other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far back as

Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco died

about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca

(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner

(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686. He

died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal (twins,

July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de

Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle. Gertrudis

was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in

Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The

couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in church

books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born

about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I

believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well as a

rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the Gutierres

family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May 1772.

They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan, and

again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to find

a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married Maria

Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage record

in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect marriage

around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)

Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for whom

I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about 1815

in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara May

1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully

eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can

turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly have

information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have

suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the

1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would

appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

Hello Rosa,

Thank you for your post responding to my search for Gutierres with info on
the family in the Jalostotitlan area. I think your tia gave you some pretty
accurate info - I have a Xerox copy of a couple pages excerpted from the
book "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" which gives the same info and a
bit more. I would be happy to scan what I have and e-mail to you privately.
(I assume that attachments are not accepted on the list.)
Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Rosa
Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:41 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hi Susan!

Welcome and good luck on your search for your family treasures.

Your introduction and David's response compelled me to share something I
recently received.

Can anyone verify the following information I received from my Tia in
Jalostotilan regarding the original families from Jalos:

Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) Florida & Ana Gonzalez Florida the
First (I*)

(*note there was a mother, daughter and a granddaughter with the same name
Ana Gonzalez Florida.) This marriage resulted in the following six families
& the following descendants:

Ana Gonzalez Florida II married Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Munoz, son of
Juan Gonzalez Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, resulting in the Gonzalez de
Hermosillo Family in the region.

Captain Miguel Gutierrez Rubio married Leonor de Hermosillo, daughter of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, who is Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo's sister resulting in the Gutierrez de Hermosillo Family in the
region.

Catalina Gutierrez Rubion (also appeared like Gonzalez de la Reguera)
married Francisco Munoz del la Bara, resulting in the Munoz de la Barba
Family in the region.

Diego Gonzalez Rubio (I) married Polonia de Torres, daughter of Nicolas
Ramirez and Polonia de Torres, two of the first residents of Aguascalientes,
resulting in the Gonzalez Rubio Family in the region.

Maria Gonzalez Munoa de Aceves married Juan de Aceves which resulted in the

Aceves Family in the region.

Captain Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (II) El Mozo, married Francisca Hurtado de
Mendoza y Olivares, daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza, which formed the Gutierrez de Mendoza Family which later resulted
in the

Gutierrez de Laris Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (I) married Maria Munoz in which 5 families
emerged:

Leonor de Hermosillo was born in 1588 married Captain Gutierrez Rubio, son
of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez Florida (I), the
Gutierrez de Hermosillo family.

Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo (born 1589) married Silvestre Camacho Riguleme
forming the Camacho Riguelme Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (II) (born 1591) married Ana Gonzalez Florida
(II) daughter of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez
Florida (I) forming the

Gonzalez de Hermosillo family.

Beatriz de Hermosillo (born 1593) married Juan de Aceves, forming the Aceves
Family (

Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo (born 1598) married Paula de Torres

daughter of Nicolas Ramirez & Polonia de Torres, of the original families
in Aguascalientes. This family had seven children. Only four had
descendents.

Garcia de Hermosillo (owners of Papalote in Jalos)

Gonzalez de Hermosillo (La familia Ramirez de Coca y el Saus de los Ramirez
who took the last name Ramirez (maternal grandfather Nicolas Ramirez) and
not Gonzaslez/Gonzalez

and the Aceves family through the grandson Juan Munoz de Aceves.

Toribio Hernandez de Arellano who married Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza,
neighbors of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, (born in 1540 or 1550)
had four daughters.

Isabel de Mendoza (born 1568) married Alvaro de Ornelas

resulting in the Ornelas y Mendoza Family.

They were married in Lagos on October 29, 1586.

Their children formed the Marquez de los Olivos Family &

and the Aguirre and Cervantes Family.

Ana Sanchez de Mendoza (born 1570) married Juan Becerra.

They had two children and through their grandchildren formed the Lopes de
Elizalde, Ramas de Ags, San Juan de los Lagos and Ayo el Chico, and Aceves y
Gutierrez de Hermosillo de Tepatitlan in the Cerro Gordo with many
descendants.

Marta Sanchez de Mendoza married Juan Sanchez de Lara

on May 26, 1587 in San Juan de los Lago

resulting in the Sanchez, Orozco and Ramos family names.

Maria Hurtado de Mendoza married Rodrigo de Olivares, neighbor of
Jalostotilan at the end of the sixteenth century and early seventeenth
century.

They had five children and only four had descendents which resulted in the

Ramirez de Mendoza, Padilla Davila, Gutierrez de Laris, Lomelin, Gomez,
Hurtado de Mendoza, Jimenez de Mendoza all of which had many children in the
region.

One of which is Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza who married Manuel Gomez and the
other sister married Juan Jimenez who had a daughter who married Nicolas
Jimenez. They formed the Gomez y Jimenez families with many descendants in
Jalostotitlan and the surround region.

With much appreciation to all of you for all of your wisdom and continued
guidance.

BTW can someone provide me with the details about the Sacramento meeting
next Saturday?

Thanks in advance!

Rosa

San Francisco, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Susan and
Joe Cadena
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines of

research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El

Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am hoping

other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far back as

Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco died

about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca

(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner

(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686. He

died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal (twins,

July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de

Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle. Gertrudis

was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in

Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The

couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in church

books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born

about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I

believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well as a

rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the Gutierres

family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May 1772.

They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan, and

again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to find

a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married Maria

Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage record

in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect marriage

around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)

Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for whom

I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about 1815

in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara May

1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully

eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can

turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly have

information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have

suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the

1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would

appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

Hi Daniel,
I am such a novice at genealogy research how were you able to obtain the
lineage information from the 1600s and 1500s to link back to Spain? Thanks!
-Esperanza

On 1/17/09 9:46 PM, "Daniel M�ndez del Camino"
wrote:

>
> Hi Susan! We are related, here is what I have on Francisco
>
> Francisco Gutiérrez y Rubio (your line ends here) b. abt 1610 Jalos
>
> Miguel Gutiérrez y Rubio b. abt 1585 Jalos
>
> Francisco Gutiérrez de la Vega y Rubio b. abt 1551 Spain or Mexico City
> married the famous
> Ana González y Florida (I) eventually there would be other 5 Ana González y
> Floridas (her daughter,
> several grandchildren etc. Common practice to be given surname of a famous
> ancestor or to honor them
>
> Diego González de la Vega abt 1515 Spain and María Rubio (Both parents created
> compound surname)
>
>
> Lomelini
>
> Juana di Lomelini b. abt 1615 Nochistlán died 20 oct 1692 Nochistlán
> her first marriage was to don Rodrigo de Carvajal y Ulloa. Child
> of the Italian Carlo di Lomelini born in Genoa, Italy ca. 1584 and
> María Benavídez she died 9 dec 1669 Nochistlán.
>
> Miguel actually wasn't Gutiérrez y Rubio eventhough his father was named for
> the paternal line
> the other children combined surnames to form Gutiérrez de Hermosillo.
> Miguel Gutiérrez de HErmosillo married Ana de Alba y Flores. Miguel died
> 29 oct 1727 in Tepa.
> Some helpful hints! Most of the Spanish Alteño families already have been
> researched and their genealogy has been perserved! So all we need to do is to
> connect smaller branches to the big
> "Spanish Trunk" (joke). You can easily trace back to Europe, don't worry you
> have two lines right in
> this email! I Hope this helps alot! Welcome to the group! I hope you can get
> to know all of us and be part of a huge family. -daniel Camino
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail.
>
http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_11200>
8

Hello Daniel,

Thank you so much for the info! It appears you may have enabled me to make the giant leap across the ocean to Spain. Do you mind my asking what your sources are? I've been working almost exclusively with church records, at times with the help of a Spanish speaking (professional) researcher. But I know there are books dealing with Nueva Galicia as well. However, I don't know what sources such works are based on.

What line of Gutierres Rubio are you connected with?

I am curious if there are any records corresponding to passenger lists for the Spanish who came to Mexico - does anyone know?

Thank you again and I appreciate the warm welcome to the list.
Susan Cadena

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Daniel M?ndez del Camino
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47 PM
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hi Susan! We are related, here is what I have on Francisco

Francisco Gutirrez y Rubio (your line ends here) b. abt 1610 Jalos

Miguel Gutirrez y Rubio b. abt 1585 Jalos

Francisco Gutirrez de la Vega y Rubio b. abt 1551 Spain or Mexico City married the famous
Ana Gonzlez y Florida (I) eventually there would be other 5 Ana Gonzlez y Floridas (her daughter,
several grandchildren etc. Common practice to be given surname of a famous ancestor or to honor them

Hello Susan, when dealing with Los Altos, I use familysearch and several books, Sagrada Mitra .... (long name and Retoños de España. Ive used some films but films for me are in Aguas and Zacatecas.
Your family (mine too) have been researched extensively by Mariano González Leal. Ill say my lines of Gtz. Rubio in a later email, I need to leave! I have several. -Daniel Camino
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Hi Esperanza, Ive only used some books, films and moslty family search, yourll be surprised what you find on familysearch. Several of us in the group descend from the Gutiérrez y Rubio family. -Daniel
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Hi Susan again...if you want access to permits of voage from Spain to Americas you can use PARES a website. -Daniel
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Susan,
I would love to see what you have about our familia. Thanks in advance!
Will you be joining the group next Saturday?
Rosa
Gonzalez.Rosa@comcast.net

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From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Susan and
Joe Cadena
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:41 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hello Rosa,

Thank you for your post responding to my search for Gutierres with info on
the family in the Jalostotitlan area. I think your tia gave you some pretty
accurate info - I have a Xerox copy of a couple pages excerpted from the
book "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" which gives the same info and a
bit more. I would be happy to scan what I have and e-mail to you privately.
(I assume that attachments are not accepted on the list.)
Susan

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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Rosa
Gonzalez
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:41 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hi Susan!

Welcome and good luck on your search for your family treasures.

Your introduction and David's response compelled me to share something I
recently received.

Can anyone verify the following information I received from my Tia in
Jalostotilan regarding the original families from Jalos:

Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) Florida & Ana Gonzalez Florida the
First (I*)

(*note there was a mother, daughter and a granddaughter with the same name
Ana Gonzalez Florida.) This marriage resulted in the following six families
& the following descendants:

Ana Gonzalez Florida II married Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Munoz, son of
Juan Gonzalez Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, resulting in the Gonzalez de
Hermosillo Family in the region.

Captain Miguel Gutierrez Rubio married Leonor de Hermosillo, daughter of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Munoz, who is Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo's sister resulting in the Gutierrez de Hermosillo Family in the
region.

Catalina Gutierrez Rubion (also appeared like Gonzalez de la Reguera)
married Francisco Munoz del la Bara, resulting in the Munoz de la Barba
Family in the region.

Diego Gonzalez Rubio (I) married Polonia de Torres, daughter of Nicolas
Ramirez and Polonia de Torres, two of the first residents of Aguascalientes,
resulting in the Gonzalez Rubio Family in the region.

Maria Gonzalez Munoa de Aceves married Juan de Aceves which resulted in the

Aceves Family in the region.

Captain Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (II) El Mozo, married Francisca Hurtado de
Mendoza y Olivares, daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza, which formed the Gutierrez de Mendoza Family which later resulted
in the

Gutierrez de Laris Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (I) married Maria Munoz in which 5 families
emerged:

Leonor de Hermosillo was born in 1588 married Captain Gutierrez Rubio, son
of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez Florida (I), the
Gutierrez de Hermosillo family.

Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo (born 1589) married Silvestre Camacho Riguleme
forming the Camacho Riguelme Family.

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (II) (born 1591) married Ana Gonzalez Florida
(II) daughter of Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (El Viejo) and Ana Gonzalez
Florida (I) forming the

Gonzalez de Hermosillo family.

Beatriz de Hermosillo (born 1593) married Juan de Aceves, forming the Aceves
Family (

Diego Alonso del Pedroso y Hermosillo (born 1598) married Paula de Torres

daughter of Nicolas Ramirez & Polonia de Torres, of the original families
in Aguascalientes. This family had seven children. Only four had
descendents.

Garcia de Hermosillo (owners of Papalote in Jalos)

Gonzalez de Hermosillo (La familia Ramirez de Coca y el Saus de los Ramirez
who took the last name Ramirez (maternal grandfather Nicolas Ramirez) and
not Gonzaslez/Gonzalez

and the Aceves family through the grandson Juan Munoz de Aceves.

Toribio Hernandez de Arellano who married Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza,
neighbors of the Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, (born in 1540 or 1550)
had four daughters.

Isabel de Mendoza (born 1568) married Alvaro de Ornelas

resulting in the Ornelas y Mendoza Family.

They were married in Lagos on October 29, 1586.

Their children formed the Marquez de los Olivos Family &

and the Aguirre and Cervantes Family.

Ana Sanchez de Mendoza (born 1570) married Juan Becerra.

They had two children and through their grandchildren formed the Lopes de
Elizalde, Ramas de Ags, San Juan de los Lagos and Ayo el Chico, and Aceves y
Gutierrez de Hermosillo de Tepatitlan in the Cerro Gordo with many
descendants.

Marta Sanchez de Mendoza married Juan Sanchez de Lara

on May 26, 1587 in San Juan de los Lago

resulting in the Sanchez, Orozco and Ramos family names.

Maria Hurtado de Mendoza married Rodrigo de Olivares, neighbor of
Jalostotilan at the end of the sixteenth century and early seventeenth
century.

They had five children and only four had descendents which resulted in the

Ramirez de Mendoza, Padilla Davila, Gutierrez de Laris, Lomelin, Gomez,
Hurtado de Mendoza, Jimenez de Mendoza all of which had many children in the
region.

One of which is Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza who married Manuel Gomez and the
other sister married Juan Jimenez who had a daughter who married Nicolas
Jimenez. They formed the Gomez y Jimenez families with many descendants in
Jalostotitlan and the surround region.

With much appreciation to all of you for all of your wisdom and continued
guidance.

BTW can someone provide me with the details about the Sacramento meeting
next Saturday?

Thanks in advance!

Rosa

San Francisco, CA

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From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Susan and
Joe Cadena
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction - Gutierres in Jalisco

Hello,

I just joined the list last week. Gutierres is one of my two main lines of

research, in Jalisco:

Gutierres (also found as Gutierres Rubio) in Tepatitlan, at Hacienda El

Salto. Many of the following details are as yet unconfirmed, and I am hoping

other members may have suggestions for sources: I have gotten as far back as

Francisco Gutierres Rubio who was married to Juana Lomelin. Francisco died

about 1691/2. His children were born between 1652 and 1658: Francisca

(1652), Lazaro (1654), Leonor (1656) and Miguel (1658). They were espanoles.

Miguel Gutierres Rubio is the direct ancestor. He was possibly the owner

(dueno) of Hacienda El Salto. He married Ana Flores de Alba about 1686. He

died Oct 1727. His children were Luisa (Apr 1687), Ana and Cristobal (twins,

July 1689), Francisco Xavier (Aug 1681) and Miguel (1697/8).

Miguel Gutierres was again the direct ancestor. He married Gertrudis de

Rovalcaba y Agundiz, after which he lived at Hacienda La Calle. Gertrudis

was born Mar 1711 at Zapotlanejo; she was from Hacienda El Tempisque in

Tepatitlan at the time of her marriage (24 Jun 1728 at Tepatitlan). The

couple had at least 10 children, and I have found the birth entry in church

books for all but one - the direct ancestor, Jose Miguel Gutierres born

about 1738. At this point the family was at Santa Clara near Ocotlan. I

believe there was a Santa Clara de Zula northeast of Ocotlan, as well as a

rancho named Santa Clara in Ocotlan. I do not know which one the Gutierres

family lived at.

Jose Miguel Gutierres married Francisca Xaviera Flores at Ocotlan May 1772.

They had at least 9 children, all born at Rancho Santa Clara, Ocotlan, and

again the direct ancestor is the only one for whom I've been unable to find

a birth record: Jose Antonio Gutierres, born about 1785. He married Maria

Josefa Ybanez of Santa Anita, but I've been unable to find a marriage record

in Ocotlan or Santa Anita. First child was born 1811, so I suspect marriage

around 1809-10. The children were all born in Santa Anita or (nearby?)

Rancho de la Calera. Here too the direct ancestor is the only one for whom

I've been unable to find a birth record: Reymundo Gutierres born about 1815

in Santa Anita. He married Maria Francisca Romana Cadena in Guadalajara May

1840. (I'll continue with the Cadena line in a separate e-mail.)

The direct ancestors I'm really seeking above seem to be successfully

eluding me thus far. Are there any sources besides the Church that I can

turn to? Does anyone know of the ranchos I've mentioned and possibly have

information about them from this period? And finally, does anyone have

suggestions for how I can go further back in time in Jalisco - into the

1600's - and eventually make the leap from Jalisco to Spain? I would

appreciate any help - thank you in advance.

Susan Cadena

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