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By Corrine Ardoin - Posted on 26 November 2008

This list compares the names given in records (source: microfilm and
certificates) located for my ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, and some
of her children. I am needing to verify if the latest record, the baptism
record that is listed first, is indeed her's. I have placed in bold
lettering the names that I think make the necessary connections. I would
appreciate feedback on this that would help me to determine whether or not I
have found her baptism. The family story has been handed down that
Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa was born in Spain of "royalty." Therefore, this
record is critical in possibly disclaiming that story, so I want to be as
sure as possible this is her baptism record before I add this to my family
history. I have extracted only the necessary information. In the baptism
record, even though it reads "infanta india," this is not necessarily
accurate, but it does raise further questions. (Every record in the film in
these early years, label the children as one of two things: ynfante/a
yndio/a or ynfante/a lavorio/a.) I also realize the name Gonzalez is so
common and was commonly given to Indian children at baptism, and the "s" and
"z" are used interchangeably, adding to the necessity of verifying each
piece of information I acquire. Thank-you!

Maria Pia Gonsales, infanta india, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 4
Mayo 1834; bautize 14 Mayo 1834 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija natural de Antonia Gonsales, padre no conocido;
abuelos maternos Justo Gonsales y Juana Aragones Vasquaz; padrinos Juana
Gonsales Sota.

Pioquinta Gonzalez, viuda de Cabral, 77 anos de edad, fallecio de "neumonia"
en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Mayo 1911; originaria de Huejuquilla, hija
de Ygnacio
Gonzalez y de Antonia Figueroa.

Maria Virginia del Refugio Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 8
Mayo 1852; bautize 9 Mayo 1852 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
villa de Huejuquilla; hija legitima de Don Benigno Cabral y Dona Pioquinta
Gonzales; abuelos paternos Don Toribio Cabral y Dona Josefa Limas; abuelos
maternos Dona Antonia Gonzales; padrinos el Presbitero Don Pascual Cabral y
Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Maria Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 22 Marzo 1855;
bautize 23 Marzo 1855 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la villa de
Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia Gonsalez; abuelos
paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos maternos Antonia Gonzalez;
padrinos el Presbitero Con Pascual Cabral y Dona Bernardina Cabral.

Jose Felis Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 19 Noviembre 1856;
bautize 23 Noviembre 1856 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
parroquia de Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Maria Pia
Gonsalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonia
Gonsalez; padrinos Don Luis Aguilar y Dona Prudencia Figueroa.

Jose Miguel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 25 Septiembre 1867;
bautize 29 Septiembre 1867 en la iglesia parroquial de San Jose de Analco en
la parroquia de San Jose de Analco; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
maternos Antonio
(Antonia?) Gonzalez; padrinos Victoria Ledesma.

Maria Isabel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 15 Julio 1871; bautize 30
Julio 1871 en El Sagrario Metropolitano en la parroquia de El Sagrario
Metropolitano; hija legitima de Domingo (Benigno?) Cabral y Pioquinta
Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Ursula Dimas (Limas?); abuelos
maternos Justo Gonzalez (?) y Antonia Gonzalez; padrinos Justo Raygoza y
Refugio Linares.

Maria Isabel Cabral casado Isaac Alatorre en Guadalajara, Jalisco 18 Junio
1890 en la iglesia de Belen, 18 anos de edad, hija legitima de Benigno
Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado Alberto Martin del Campo en Guadalajara, Jalisco 19
Septiembre 1896 en la parroquia de Santuario de Santa Maria de Guadalupe, 17
anos de edad; hija legitima de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Francisca Cabral, casado con Alberto Martin del Campo, 56 anos de edad,
fallecio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Octubre 1936; originaria de Guadalajara,
mestiza mexicana, hija de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.

Thank-you, again, and please excuse and incorrect Spanish. I'm trying to
practice writing it!
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

How do I access baptismal, marriage records, etc? tks bc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Verification of Baptism Record for
PioquintaGonzalez

> Hi:
> This list compares the names given in records (source: microfilm and
> certificates) located for my ancestor, Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa, and
> some
> of her children. I am needing to verify if the latest record, the baptism
> record that is listed first, is indeed her's. I have placed in bold
> lettering the names that I think make the necessary connections. I would
> appreciate feedback on this that would help me to determine whether or not
> I
> have found her baptism. The family story has been handed down that
> Pioquinta Gonzalez Figueroa was born in Spain of "royalty." Therefore,
> this
> record is critical in possibly disclaiming that story, so I want to be as
> sure as possible this is her baptism record before I add this to my family
> history. I have extracted only the necessary information. In the baptism
> record, even though it reads "infanta india," this is not necessarily
> accurate, but it does raise further questions. (Every record in the film
> in
> these early years, label the children as one of two things: ynfante/a
> yndio/a or ynfante/a lavorio/a.) I also realize the name Gonzalez is so
> common and was commonly given to Indian children at baptism, and the "s"
> and
> "z" are used interchangeably, adding to the necessity of verifying each
> piece of information I acquire. Thank-you!
>
> Maria Pia Gonsales, infanta india, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 4
> Mayo 1834; bautize 14 Mayo 1834 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en
> la
> villa de Huejuquilla; hija natural de Antonia Gonsales, padre no conocido;
> abuelos maternos Justo Gonsales y Juana Aragones Vasquaz; padrinos Juana
> Gonsales Sota.
>
> Pioquinta Gonzalez, viuda de Cabral, 77 anos de edad, fallecio de
> "neumonia"
> en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Mayo 1911; originaria de Huejuquilla, hija
> de Ygnacio
> Gonzalez y de Antonia Figueroa.
>
> Maria Virginia del Refugio Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 8
> Mayo 1852; bautize 9 Mayo 1852 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
> villa de Huejuquilla; hija legitima de Don Benigno Cabral y Dona Pioquinta
> Gonzales; abuelos paternos Don Toribio Cabral y Dona Josefa Limas; abuelos
> maternos Dona Antonia Gonzales; padrinos el Presbitero Don Pascual Cabral
> y
> Dona Bernardina Cabral.
>
> Jose Maria Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 22 Marzo 1855;
> bautize 23 Marzo 1855 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la villa de
> Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia Gonsalez; abuelos
> paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos maternos Antonia Gonzalez;
> padrinos el Presbitero Con Pascual Cabral y Dona Bernardina Cabral.
>
> Jose Felis Cabral, nacio en Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco 19 Noviembre
> 1856;
> bautize 23 Noviembre 1856 en la iglesia parroquial de San Diego en la
> parroquia de Huejuquilla; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Maria Pia
> Gonsalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
> maternos Antonia
> Gonsalez; padrinos Don Luis Aguilar y Dona Prudencia Figueroa.
>
> Jose Miguel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 25 Septiembre 1867;
> bautize 29 Septiembre 1867 en la iglesia parroquial de San Jose de Analco
> en
> la parroquia de San Jose de Analco; hijo legitimo de Benigno Cabral y Pia
> Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Urzula Limas; abuelos
> maternos Antonio
> (Antonia?) Gonzalez; padrinos Victoria Ledesma.
>
> Maria Isabel Cabral, nacio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 15 Julio 1871; bautize
> 30
> Julio 1871 en El Sagrario Metropolitano en la parroquia de El Sagrario
> Metropolitano; hija legitima de Domingo (Benigno?) Cabral y Pioquinta
> Gonzalez; abuelos paternos Toribio Cabral y Ursula Dimas (Limas?); abuelos
> maternos Justo Gonzalez (?) y Antonia Gonzalez; padrinos Justo Raygoza y
> Refugio Linares.
>
> Maria Isabel Cabral casado Isaac Alatorre en Guadalajara, Jalisco 18 Junio
> 1890 en la iglesia de Belen, 18 anos de edad, hija legitima de Benigno
> Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.
>
> Francisca Cabral, casado Alberto Martin del Campo en Guadalajara, Jalisco
> 19
> Septiembre 1896 en la parroquia de Santuario de Santa Maria de Guadalupe,
> 17
> anos de edad; hija legitima de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.
>
> Francisca Cabral, casado con Alberto Martin del Campo, 56 anos de edad,
> fallecio en Guadalajara, Jalisco 20 Octubre 1936; originaria de
> Guadalajara,
> mestiza mexicana, hija de Benigno Cabral y Pioquinta Gonzalez.
>
> Thank-you, again, and please excuse and incorrect Spanish. I'm trying to
> practice writing it!
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

Does anyone have any data on the Gabay family,

I am curious if there is a link between Martin Navarro De Gabay married to Petronila De Moctezuma

and Juan Navarro married to María Rodríguez Castaño de Sosa

Thanks, Phyls

Phylis,
   For some time I have wondered if there is any connection between these Navarro families given that both Juan Navarro (Nuevo Leon) and Martin Navarro (Aguascalientes) are my direct ancestors. Juan Navarro and Maria Rodriguez had a son named Martin who was born between 1574 and 1582. He married Maria de Rojo Ruelas. Thus, this Martin was too young to be Petronilla's husban. Could it be that Juan had a brother named Martin? The timeline would be a good fit. I have searched for evidence in support to this hypothesis with no success. After conducting searches of passengers to Indies with surname Navarro, I found that the surname was adopted by many unrelated individuals that originated in the Basque region of Navarra, most whom are simply identified as originals from Pamplona. In addition, Martin is a VERY common Basque name. Regardless, I would be extremely interested in such connection of these families.
   Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "phyls esparza"
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:53:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martin Navarro De Gabay/Juan Navarro

Does anyone have any data on the Gabay family,

I am curious if there is a link between Martin Navarro De Gabay married to Petronila De Moctezuma

and Juan Navarro married to María Rodríguez Castaño de Sosa

Thanks, Phyls
 

Juan Navarro(m. Maria Rodriguez) was born abt 1555 in San Martin.
My understanding is that his father was a conquisador with Cortes. San Martin was abandoned during the Chichemeca wars.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from alvaradj@comcast.net: --------------

> Phylis, For some time I have wondered if there is any connection between these Navarro families given that both Juan Navarro (Nuevo Leon) and Martin Navarro (Aguascalientes) are my direct ancestors. Juan Navarro and Maria Rodriguez had a son named Martin who was born between 1574 and 1582. He married Maria de Rojo Ruelas. Thus, this Martin was too young to be Petronilla's husban. Could it be that Juan had a brother named Martin? The timeline would be a good fit. I have searched for evidence in support to this hypothesis with no success. After conducting searches of passengers to Indies with surname Navarro, I found that the surname was adopted by many unrelated individuals that originated in the Basque region of Navarra, most whom are simply identified as originals from Pamplona. In addition, Martin is a VERY common Basque name. Regardless, I would
> be extremely interested in such connection of these families.
> Jaime
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "phyls esparza"
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:53:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martin Navarro De Gabay/Juan Navarro
>
> Does anyone have any data on the Gabay family,
>
> I am curious if there is a link between Martin Navarro De Gabay married to
> Petronila De Moctezuma
>
> and Juan Navarro married to María Rodríguez Castaño de Sosa
>
> Thanks, Phyls
>

I found these on a microfilm. The microfilms are available through the Latter Day Saints Family History Library Catalog.

Corrine,
Your email mentioned finding something on microfilm. What did you find?
Thanks in advance,
Rosa:Enriquez-Romo Familia in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Corrine
Ardoin
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:39 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Accessing Baptismal & Marriage Records

I found these on a microfilm. The microfilms are available through the
Latter Day Saints Family History Library Catalog.

This brings up a good point for us to consider when we post messages. We
need to do what I did below and give a snip of context so anyone that
reads the message in the middle of the discussion will have a "chance"
to understand what the discussion was about. Sorry Rosa I can't quite
remember myself right now. Also notice that I changed the subject of the
email so it will accurately reflect the topic under discussion. When the
subject gets changed as they often do when a discussion goes on for a
little bit it is needful to change the subject line so the search engine
that Arturo built for us will work if we later need to search for this
particular message or group of messages.

Rosa you can go to www.familysearch.org to find out what films you can
order that are for Jalostotitlan and also you can find where your
closest Family History Center is located.

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Rosa Gonzalez wrote:
> Corrine,
> Your email mentioned finding something on microfilm. What did you find?
> Thanks in advance,
> Rosa:Enriquez-Romo Familia in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Corrine
> Ardoin
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Accessing Baptismal & Marriage Records
>
>
> I found these on a microfilm. The microfilms are available through the
> Latter Day Saints Family History Library Catalog.
>

Joseph,
Thanks for the clarification and all that you do for all us researching our
familias:) I wish I had more time in my life to check in with all of you
more often. Every time I read about one of you finding a link for someone
and offering to assist make me beam with hope that someday, I'll find an
answer to my great abuelito Rosario Enriquez. Please let me know if I can
help any of you with San Francisco area pictures or document retrieval.
Rosa

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:27 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Snip Of Context: WasRe: Accessing Baptismal &
Marriage Records

This brings up a good point for us to consider when we post messages. We
need to do what I did below and give a snip of context so anyone that
reads the message in the middle of the discussion will have a "chance"
to understand what the discussion was about. Sorry Rosa I can't quite
remember myself right now. Also notice that I changed the subject of the
email so it will accurately reflect the topic under discussion. When the
subject gets changed as they often do when a discussion goes on for a
little bit it is needful to change the subject line so the search engine
that Arturo built for us will work if we later need to search for this
particular message or group of messages.

Rosa you can go to www.familysearch.org to find out what films you can
order that are for Jalostotitlan and also you can find where your
closest Family History Center is located.

joseph

=====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://NuestrosRanchos.com (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Rosa Gonzalez wrote:
> Corrine,
> Your email mentioned finding something on microfilm. What did you find?
> Thanks in advance,
> Rosa:Enriquez-Romo Familia in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Corrine
> Ardoin
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Accessing Baptismal & Marriage Records
>
>
> I found these on a microfilm. The microfilms are available through the
> Latter Day Saints Family History Library Catalog.
>

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