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By Visitor - Posted on 01 October 2008

Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?

En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.

Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.

Gracias de antemano.

P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.

Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),

Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".

My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution.

What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: viteliky
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION

Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.

Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?

En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.

Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.

Gracias de antemano.

P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.

Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).

By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?

Best regards.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: viteliky > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 AM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > > > Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.> > Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?> > En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana. > > Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.> > Gracias de antemano.> > P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
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Alessandro,

Thank you for the explanation.

The ancestors of my father that I think were Italian (not in Jalpa, but in Zacatecas, where my father was born) were Suriano and Lucio.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION

Emilie:

Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).

By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?

Best regards.

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> -----

Hello all.

I'm finally getting around to introducing myself and the beginnings of my family research:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/node/17213

It's very exciting to see how far some have been able to take their histories.  Although I'm just getting started in my research,  I hope that at some point, something I've found out will help someone else.

Happy hunting,
Rebecca

http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/node/17260

I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny" but you can find it directly at http://www.nuestrosranchos.com/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.

Hello Danny, there goes a big applause for your great job and presentation!
 
Leticia Leon

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My name is Mike Gordoa Jr. and I am seeking the family of my father, Miguel Gordoa Acosta.My father was born 29 September 1908 in the vicinity of the Hacienda Pasjae near Pedricenas, Durango (from baptismal record ). He was the son of Alfredo Gordoa and Juana Acosta.My grandmother, Juana Acosta, was born in la Punta, Aguascaliente and I have traced her genealogy back to her grandfather`s family in la Punta ( near Rincon de Romos, Agus. ).
What I know about my Grandfather Gordoa is that he was a mining engineer and was killed in a mining accident in the Cuencame area of Durango in the year 1910. His parents were Miguel Gordoa and Tomasa Mata.I have searched for answers via the FHC and Gordoa`s from Spain and Mexico who helped and encouraged me on my quest to find the family of my grandfather Gordoa.I have found no records of my grandfather`s death or the baptism of my two aunts,Tomasa and Emilia born in 1906 and 1910.My grandmother with her 3 children crossed into the USA at Eagle Pass, Texas on 23 December 1910.
The first Gordoa from Spain was Francisco Ignacio Gordoa who came to Oaxaca about 1740. He married a Peruivan lady named Justa Lorenza de Loaeza on 27 April 1753 in Jerez de Oaxaca.They had 7 children and the family story is well documented.Two sons migrated to central mexico and made their fortunes in agriculture and mining. I believe that my Grandfather belongs to the branch of Juan Francisco Gordoa who settled in Pinos, Zacatecas and married Mariana de Barrios. They had 12 children, 4 of which were priests, and one became the first mexican bishop of Guadalahara. His name was Doctor Don Jose Miguel Gordoa y Barrios.Juan Gordoa`s second marriage was to Maria Luiza Flores de Moyeda in Pinos on 4 october 1792. They had 4 children that I have baptismal records. One of their children, Jose Miguel Benito Gordoa was baptised in Pinos on 26 December 1797 and married Felipa Diaz de Leon ( no record ). They had at least 6 children that I know. I have baptismal records for all but tw
o.
One son, Juan Nepomuceno Gordoa was baptised in San Luis Potosi, SLP on 26 August 1829. He married Flavia Montes ( no records ). This information was told to me by a lady who is writing a book on the Gordoa Family. Juan N. and Flavia had 9 children that I have baptismal records. The first child was baptised in Lagos de Moreno in 7 September 1861. Her name was Maria Donaciana Gordoa Montes.
Her baptismal record said she lived in San Teresa, Jalisco.This was the last record of the Gordoa`s at the church in Lagos de Moreno.
I pickup the trail for the family of Juan N. again at a church in Leon, Guanajuato. The remainder of the 8 children were baptised there. Two of the sons were : Pedro Miguel de la Santisma Trinidad baptised 30 April 1863
Miguel Octaviano Merced de la Trinidad baptised 23 March 1865
Miguel Octaviano is the strongest candidate to be my long lost grandfather. He could have gone to college and married my grandmother before the eldest sister of my father was born in 1906 in Mexico.There is a Rancho San Jose de Gordoa which is part of the town of Santa Teresa. The lady writing the book told me that Juan N. lived there.This rancho is close to Lagos de Moreno, Jal. and Leon, Gto.
Many of our members are from this area or have family in this area.I need your help.I am at a deadend.Does anyone know of the Gordoa family of this area? If the ranch still belongs to the Gordoa family, I would be willing to make a trip there.I have been searching for my family roots for nearly 10 years.I have traced the family of Fracisco Ignacio Gordoa back to Zalduendo, Basque Province of Alava,Spain to the late 1500`s But I don1t know how I connect to the Gordoa family of Mexico. Thanks in advance for whatever help can be provided. I know this group represents a wealth of expertise and information. I have learned a great deal from all of you. I should have asked for your help long ago.I apologize if my plea is long winded but wanted to share what I know.

Mike Gordoa Jr.
Fort Worth, Texas

I have just started researching my father's family who settled in
Bakersfield, CA after coming here around the years 1915-1920. His mother was Ysabel
Munoz from Aguascalientes. The surnames connected to her are: Munoz, Esparza,
Soria, Naranjo, Canales, Martinez, Trevino, Renteria, Sepulveda and Garcia.
His father was Jesus Mora from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. For now, I am
concentrating on my Grandfather's family. The surnames connected to his family
are: Mora, Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Moran, Pedroza, Alba, Romo, Lopez, Cueva,
Villalobos, Delgado, Tiscareno, de Lizaldi (Elisalde?), Esparza and Gabay. I
have already found 2 distant relatives through this site who have been VERY
helpful. Thank you, Luis and Daniel!
I am currently going over the films from Encarnacion de Diaz for the years
1860-1890 trying to find the birth and marriage records for my paternal
grandparents, Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora. I have found Narciso's information,
but not Sabina's. Her birth year is anywhere from 1868 to 1871. There are
about 20 years between Sabina and her sister, Norberta and I have been unable to
find any other siblings. Also, Narciso's marriage records names "Higinia
Muniz". There is a child for them born in 1888 but the next child born in 1889
lists Sabina as the mother. So I am also searching for a death record for
Higinia. What is confusing is that Higinia's parents raised Sabina's father,
Jose Refugio Jaime.
I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
Thank you for providing this opportunity to help each other connect to our
roots.
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Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

Stuart,

Confirmations were oftentimes at the same time as baptisms but could also be every 3 or 4 years, depending on when the Bishop could make it to your parish. Sometimes the Confirmandi had to go to another parish rather than wait several years for the Bishop to visit the home parish.

It was not like it is here at a set age.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

________________________________
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: "KanakaLele@aol.com"
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 3:58:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction

Hello KanakaLele,

I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.

Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:

> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

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