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By Claudia_Reynoso - Posted on 28 July 2008

Irene (prima):
I looked at our lineages carefully and this is how you and I are related:

My 3rd great-grandfather, JOSE ANICETO REYNOSO, was the brother of your 2nd great-grandfather, JOSE GREGORIO REYNOSO. Their parents were TORIBIO REYNOSO and MARIA NORBERTA ROMERO.

Can you help me decipher the Reynoso-Renteria name swap? I am still struggling with this. A few Reynosos are recorded are Renterias in official records.

What do you know?

Claudia,
 
My mother used to speak of an adoption further back on our lines.  She said the surname used was Renteria but because the direct line ancestor was raised by the Reynoso family he took on their name out of gratitude, thankfulness and respect for this family.  This information was passed down.  I don't go along with this story.  As you check the ages of the Renteria and Reynoso men when they died they were older men.  As I looked at the children, they would have been teenagers.  I found one direct line that would have been around 14 years old at the time of death of his father.  When you stop and think about it, why are there so many in the family that can be found by both names?  I believe that Renteria was the surname of a great grandmother somewhere down the line and as you find so often that name was carried on.  With my own grandfather Francisco Reynoso, I have found him listed as Reynoso and Renteria on different documents.  I have found
that to be true on his father, grandfather and so on.  Someday I hope we will be able to solve the mystery.
 
I still keep searching for those records that go back to the 1600s.  I believe we will find our answers there.  Also since the Reynoso and the Renteria men were military there should be information that could help us on possibly enlistment records or other military records.  Possibly wills, probate records.  Marriage information records are also good if we can locate them further back in time.
 
My grandfather used to tell me that the records for the family could be found in Jalisco. 
 
I have been able to piece the family records together from padrones, civil records, and of course catholic church records.  I have been able to extend my Serrano line by searching through land records.  They are in script, a great deal of abbreviations amd are hard to read.  One can usually pick out the information needed or have someone help you that knows the language better and can understand the old writing.  
 
Sorry I could not be more help Claudia. 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Claudia_Reynoso
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:12:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] for Irene Sweet (confirmed Prima)

Irene (prima):
I looked at our lineages carefully and this is how you and I are related:

My 3rd great-grandfather, JOSE ANICETO REYNOSO, was the brother of your 2nd great-grandfather, JOSE GREGORIO REYNOSO.  Their parents were TORIBIO REYNOSO and MARIA NORBERTA ROMERO.

Can you help me decipher the Reynoso-Renteria name swap?  I am still struggling with this.  A few Reynosos are recorded are Renterias in official records. 

What do you know?

I can help with this, I have worked extensively on the families and currently doing so for Los Altos, The two Reynoso brothers married the Rentería sisters, this event is by far the most important for the Reynosos in Los Altos. I see it as a door way into marrying other prominant Spaniard families. The marriage caused them I suppose to compound their surnames to
de Reynoso y Rentería; this is the entire last name not Reynoso or Rentería but de Reynoso y Rentería, I find it custom for Spaniards to interchange or switch their last names when they please. I myself have done this a couple of times. I usually say "soy Daniel del Camino or even Daniel Camino when Im lazy. If I say Daniel Méndez, my mother's family will not know who I am, since Camino rings a bell. This is just my example why someone do this. We can say sometimes the average José de Reynoso y Rentería sometimes reffered to himself as José de Reynoso but
everyone else or his cousins referred to him as José de Rentería. Hope this clears up some
confusion! -Daniel Camino
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Thanks Daniel, I believe you are correct on the Reynoso, Renteria name.   

----- Original Message ----
From: Daniel Mendez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:43:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] for Irene Sweet (confirmed Prima)

I can help with this, I have worked extensively on the families and currently doing so for Los Altos, The two Reynoso brothers married the Rentería sisters, this event is by far the most important for the Reynosos in Los Altos. I see it as a door way into marrying other prominant Spaniard families. The marriage caused them I suppose to compound their surnames to
de Reynoso y Rentería; this is the entire last name not Reynoso or Rentería but de Reynoso y Rentería, I find it custom for Spaniards to interchange or switch their last names when they please. I myself have done this a couple of times. I usually say "soy Daniel del Camino or even Daniel Camino when Im lazy. If I say Daniel Méndez, my mother's family will not know who I am, since Camino rings a bell. This is just my example why someone do this. We can say sometimes the average José de Reynoso y Rentería sometimes reffered to himself as José de Reynoso but
everyone else or his cousins referred to him as José de Rentería. Hope this clears up some
confusion! -Daniel Camino
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Thank you Daniel, your explanation makes comeplete sense. I guess this is why other predominant families (i.e. Padilla Davila, Temino Velasco, etc.) didn't lose the compiled surnames over several generations.

I feel the Reynoso-Renteria clan was a bit looser though, and not always stuck to both at all times. In my opinion, this explains why so many of my extended family are registered as both (on separate documents), but they are the same individual!

AHA!-moment!

Funny you mentioned they wouldn't lose their compiled last names over the generations, my grandfather always told me for us Spaniards our last name is our IDENTITY, it shows where we come from and who we belong to. He is a very proud of his "blood".-Me too :) -Daniel
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