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Thello De Orozco, to whom it may concern.

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By Marionicia - Posted on 26 July 2008

Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

Bill and Esther,

I just wanted to double check something..............Francisca Alcocer (the elder), I have her name like this: Francisca Alcoideo Ascoide.
Is this correct? Is this the same person?

Sofia

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The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early enough for us.
I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer. Anybody going to spain soon?
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Esther A. Herold

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> Hola Bill,
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> There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.
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> Sofia
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> >
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No, Sofía. The name is Francisca de Alcocer. You may have confused her
surname with her husband's title who, according to some sources, was ALCAIDE
(sometimes spelled ALACAYDE) of some place in Mexico or Spain. Check
previous correspondence on this subject.

The Larousse dictionary defines Alcaide as a person in charge of defending a
fort ("el que tenía a su cargo la guarda y defensa de una fortaleza"). I
don't think it is used in that sense any more. In modern times I've seen
the word used to refer to the warden of a prison ("en las cárceles, guardián
de la prisión").

On the other hand, ALCALDE with an "L" is the highest authority in a
Municipality or District, i.e. the Mayor of a city.

I've been thinking about this for sometime, and since I don't know much
about Diego Temiño de Velasco I'm beginning to think that he was NOT the
Mayor of a city, but in charge of a fort or military installation.
Otherwise, he would have been referred to as Alcalde Mayor or Alcalde
Ordinario. Just a thought. I'm also leaning towards the belief that his
title of Alcaide was in Mexico rather than in Spain. Temiño is a small
village or hamlet near Burgos, Spain.

Incidentally, whatever is discussed in this forum should be verified by each
and every one before it is used. Hopefully, with everybody's help we'll
sort it out and find the correct information. Use it with caution.

Bill Figueroa

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From: "sophia"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Bill and Esther,

I just wanted to double check something..............Francisca Alcocer (the
elder), I have her name like this: Francisca Alcoideo Ascoide.
Is this correct? Is this the same person?

Sofia

Thank you Bill!
I had copied Francisca's name from "Retoños". I may have misunderstood something when I was reading so I will look at it again.

Sofia
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George,

I got two names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant to say was that
Pedro de Leon and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de Saavedra. Francisca de
Alcocer (the elder) sister-in-law to Pedro de León, was married to Diego
Temiño de Velasco. I still have not checked Himmerich y Valencia and Icaza.

As far as Francisco de Orosco Aguero is concerned, he was the son of
Geronimo de Orosco and Angela de Velasco, residents of Aguascalientes and
Teocaltiche. This Geronimo de Orosco is the one I'm trying to link to Dr.
Geronimo de Orosco y Lerma, Gobernador de la Nueva Galicia. I know they
were closely related, but I don't know who their ancestors were to find the
proper link.

Bill Figueroa

Carlos Peredo

Hello Bill,

Maybe it is no longer useful the information I´m writing below but I post it just in case it is of use to anyone:

Diego Temiño de Velasco (the one who marriedo to Francisca de Alcocer Bañuelos) was Alcaide del castillo de Pedraza, so your guess that he was not the Mayor of a town or village was correct.

The castle of Pedraza was a property of Blanca de Herrera Niño de Portugal first wife of Bernardino Fernández de Velasco and when Blanca died the castle became a property of Bernardino.
Bernardino had two powerful uncles (brothers of his father): Diego First Count of Nieva , and Sancho who was "Señor de Arnedo" and later "Señor de Nieva" when Diego died childless.
Sancho had two daughters : Francisca and Sancha; Francisca became 2nd Countess of Nieva and married Diego López de Zúñiga Herrera ,this couple died cildless also, this way the title went to a sister of Diego López de Zúñiga : Francisca López de Zúñiga y Herrera but.......fortunately for Don Sancho, he had managed to have two more sons : One called Antonio de Velasco Enríquez de Lacarra "Señor de Arnedo" (b1482)who then was married to Francisca López de Zúñiga and the title of Nieva returned to the family of Sancho.
Sancha was married to Alfonso Ruíz Temiño "Señor de Bureba" who was charged by his cousin in law Bernardino to be Alcaide del Castle of Pedraza and held the charge for life and then his son Diego Temiño de Velasco held the charge till 1513 and didn´t continue being the "Alcaide" because the daughter of Bernardino (Juliana Ángela)sued him and tried to send him to jail.
Most of the above has already been clarified in this site but if it only helps someone who is still wondering what type of "Alcaide" was Diego , that will be fine.

Carlos A. Peredo

Carlos Peredo

I found the following information that answers and old question posted here several years ago concerning the pedigree of Gerónimo de Orozco y Lerma; it may be not useful anymore but I post it just in case :

Juan Bautista de Orozco y de Lierna

El nueve de mayo de mil quinientos sesenta y seis, se embarcó en la Nao de las Indias, con destino a Guadalajara, Capital de la Nueva Galicia, el Licenciado don Juan Bautista de Orozco, natural de Sevilla; hijo de Jerónimo de Orozco y de doña Inés de Lerna. En Sevilla quedaban sus padres, pero en la propia Nueva Galicia había hallado solar y ventura un hermano mayor del viajero: el doctor Jerónimo de Orozco, años antes emigrado, Gobernador de ese Reino y Presidente de su Audiencia, casado para entonces con doña Beatriz, sobrina del famoso Oidor de la Nueva España, el Licenciado don Francisco Tello de Sandoval.

Juan Orozco, radicado a la sazoón en la Ciudad de México, fue comisionado virreinal para elegir las tierras convenientes para la fundación de la ciudad de Leon en 1575. El mandato virreinal hubo de cumplimentarse el siguiente veinte de enero de 1576. Nación entonces con parvedad, pero sobre bases firmes que prometían con elocuencia tiempos mejores, la Villa de León de la Nueva España.

http://www.leon-gto.com.mx/la-ciudad-leon/fundacion-i/

Del texto anterior se puede inferir como se forjó el apellido Tello de Orozco

Saludos

Carlos A. Peredo

I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.

I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.

Francisco Escobar

I have a Jose Rafael Trillo Tello, who was Christened on 31 Oct 1779, SANTA MARIA DE GUADALUPE, ARANDAS, JALISCO, MEXICO. His mother was Maria De Jesus Tello De Orozco, who married a Juan Joseph Nepomuceno Trillo, on 25 FEB 1769, in San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico. I wonder if they are cousins.

I've also have seen variations in the spelling of the surname Tello as Theyo and Thello.

Francisco Escobar

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