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By Marionicia - Posted on 26 July 2008

Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

Esther y Bill,

Lo siento...............I reread the document and I see I mixed the names............too much stuff on my brain............

Sofia
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isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was married to Diego Temino.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther,
>
> I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
> information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
> of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
> Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database.
>
> Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters, Beatriz who married
> Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Diego de Velasco (aka Diego de
> Temiño or Diego Temiño de Velasco). I think we have their descendants
> properly identified.
>
> The accusation is pretty disgusting, although I take it with a grain of
> salt. Many accusations presented to the Santo Oficio were dismissed as
> totally false. I have two examples, one presented against Bernarda Salado
> by a black slave named Antonia de Olmo, who accused her of practicing
> witchery. The case was dismissed and Antonia de Olmo declared of feeble
> mind by the Santo Oficio. Obviously a disgruntled employee. The other
> example was Andrés Ruiz de Esparza, brother of my ancestor Lope Ruiz de
> Esparza, who was accused of being a Lutheran. His crime was, supposedly, to
> have befriended some Lutheran soldiers during the wars Spain fought against
> William d'Orange (William the Silent) when the Netherlands rebelled against
> Spain. At the time, Spain (Carlos I de España = Carlos V de Alemania) ruled
> most of Western Europe. The accusation, presented in México City, was found
> to be false.
>
> We don't know what the Santo Oficio de la Inquisición ruled in the case of
> Lope de Saavedra, but I don't take these accusations seriously. It would be
> interesting to see the entire document and to know what was the final ruling
> by the Santo Oficio.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
> Look at this document. :
>
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
>
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer
> Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel
> López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y
> presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa
> de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar
> amancebado...
>
>

My apologies. I got the names mixed up in my previous email. What I meant
to say was that Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer had two daughters,
Beatriz who married Juan de Salamanca, and Francisca who married Lope de
Saavedra. Francisca Alcocer (the elder), sister-in-saw to Pedro de León was
married to Diego Temiño de Velasco. Sorry.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

isn't it the elder Fancisca ALcocer, sister-in-law to Pedro Leon, who was
married to Diego Temino.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa"
: --------------

Esther,

I had not seen this document, which contains very important genealogical
information. Thanks for sharing it. According to what it says, the parents
of Francisca and Beatriz de Alcocer were Hernando de Bañuelos and Isabel de
Alcocer. I made the required revisions to my database...

Bill,

Where did you get the information that Diego Temino Velasco, husband of Francisca Alcocer , was the alcalde of Temino? What exactly does the source say?

Thanks,

Esther

Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from eaherold@att.net: --------------

> Look at this document. :
> PROCESO DEL SANTO OFICIO DE LA INQUISICIÓN CONTRA LOPE DE SAAVEDRA POR
> AMANCEBADO.
> En 3 de diciembre de 1539, ante Fray Juan de Zumarraga, primer Obispo de la ciudad de México y juez inquisidor, y en presencia de Miguel López de Legazpi, parecio Cristóbal Caniego, fiscal de dicho Santo Oficio y presentó denuncia contra Lopez de Sayavedra (Saavedra), natural de la villa de Cáceres, vecino de México, y marido de Elvira de León, acusado de estar amancebado con Francisca de León, su cuñada, y con Francisca de Velasco, prima hermana de
> ésta, con quien ha tenido hijos de las tres.
> El primer testigo que se presenta es Beatriz de Alcocer, mujer de Juan de Salamanca, vecina de la ciudad de México (hija del Licenciado Pedro de León y de Beatriz de Alcocer[1]) y dijo que hacía cuatro años el dicho Lope de Saavedra se encontraba en Michoacán, siendo casado con su hermana Elvira de León, donde se quedó con Francisca de León, la cual quedaría embarazada y
> sería madre de unos gemelos, de los cuales uno sobrevivió. Y que cuando Lope
> de Saavedra vino de Castilla “trujo consigo a doña Francisca de Alcocer, tía
> de la dicha doña Elvira su mujer, y de esta que depone, con tres hijas
> doncellas que se dicen Francisca la una, con la cual ha oído decir esta que
> depone que tiene acceso y se echa carnalmente el dicho Lope de Saavedra, y así
> lo dice lo dice la misma mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra... (a la cual) daba
> mala vida a su mujer por causa de la dicha doña Francisca, su prima, y no
> quería que su mujer mandase nada en su casa sino la dicha doña Francisca, su
> prima carnal...y lo juró”.
>
> El segundo testigo es Nicolás Zamorano, quien vino en la misma nao en la cual
> se embarcaron Lope deSaavedra, doña Francisca de Alcocer y su familia “ que
> decían que la madre era tía de su mujer del dicho Lope de Saavedra”, y que
> viniendo por la mar vido este testigo como servía al dicho Lope de Saavedra la
> una de las hijas, a quienes vio juntos en la cama, y que sabía que en méxico
> le daba mala vida a su esposa por causa de la dicha doña Francisca de Velasco,
> su prima.
>
> El siguiente interrogatorio se le formula a doña Francisca de Velasco, quien
> dice que ella nació en Sevilla y “...que su padre era natural de Castilla la
> Vieja (siendo ya difunto)...y que se decía Diego de Temiño”, y “...que su
> madre se llama doña Francisca de Alcocer”. Asimismo, afirma que la mujer de
> Lope de Saavedra y ella son primas hermanas, pues las madres de ambas son
> hermanas. Dice que Lope de Saavedra trajó a Nueva España a su tía Francisca
> de Alcocer con su familia en una misma nao, y que “puede haber año y medio
> poco más o menos que llegaron a esta tierra” (lo cual queda confirmado con el
> registro en la Casa de Contratación de Sevilla, en el pasaje para Indias de
> todos ellos, quienes se embarcan entre marzo y junio de 1538).
>
> Incontineti, se presentó doña Francisca de Alcocer, quien dijo ser natural de
> Sevilla, y que conoce a Lope de Saavedra y su mujer por ser su sobrina. â€
> œ...hija de su hermana, y que lope de Sayavedrac las trajo de Castilla a esta
> que depone y a doña Francisca, su hija, y vinieron en una nao con él, y han
> estado después que vinieron a esta tierra siempre en la posada del dicho Lope
> de Saavedra, si no es de diez días a esta parte”.
>
> Asimismo, se presentó Elvira de León para dar su testimonio: que casó seis
> años y medio con el dicho Lope de Saavedra (hacia mediados de 1533); que conoce
> a Francisca de Alcocer, hermana de su madre, y a Francisca de Velasco, su prima
> carnal; que su marido las trajo en una nao; que llegando a (la) ciudad de
> México, posaron en casa del dicho Lope de Saavedra, que de camino de Veracruz a
> México Lope de Saavedra trajo en us ocmpañía a la dicha Francisca de Velasco,
> y llegaron a la casa de Juan de Salamanca (marido de su hermana Beatriz de
> León) donde estuvieron hospedados quince días, luego pasaron a otra casa â€
> œ...junto a casa de Badajoz”, hasta que Saavedra la llevó juntó con
> Francisca de Velasco al pueblo de Otumba, y que luego la había regresado a
> México, hacía cuatro meses, y que la dicha doña Francisca y Saavedra
> estuvieron en ese pueblo durante ocho días, hasta que volvieron a su casa
> distinta de la que habita la declarante, observó que su marido había dejado en
> ella dos caballos y una mula.
>
> Se presentan otros detalles y pormenores acerca de la relación entre ambos,
> dados por otros trestigos y por la confesión de la misma doña Francisca.
>
>
> Archivo General de la Nación. Inquisición, volumen 34, expediente 3,
> fojas 50 frente hasta 61 vuelta.
>
>
>
> APÉNDICE
>
> Como apéndice a este documento es interesante añadir que el testamento
> de doña Francisca de Velasco fue publicado por Jorge Palomino[2]; en dicho
> documento, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad
> de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de
> Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Frtancisca de Alcocer. En una de las
> cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos,
> vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas.
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] Según Boyd-Bowman, II, 8698, p. 269, estos señores viajan a México en
> 1530 y son vecinos de la ciudad de México hacía 1531.
> [2] Vease: Jorge Palomino y Cañedo: Los protocolos de Rodrigo Hernández
> Cordero, 1585-1591, escribano público de Guadalajara. Guadalajara, ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, 1972, pp. 75-77 y pp. 232-235.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" :
> --------------
>
>
> > Esther, Sophia et al
> >
> > Temiño is a village in the province of Burgos in Spain, located approx.
> > 12 miles NE of the city of Burgos. Many of the early settlers and
> > conquistadores of New Spain came from Burgos, which was the capital of
> > Castilla la Vieja. I found some documents that mention Baltazar Temiño de
> > Bañuelos as being born in Bureba, which is in the same area of Briviesca and
> > the surrounding areas. Briviesca is 25 miles NE of Burgos some 12 miles
> > from Temiño. Thus, I'm not surprised to find out that the daughter of Isabel
> > Alcocer and Hernando Bañuelos was listed as a passenger under the name
> > Leonor de Temiño, i.e. Leonor from Temiño. She may have been born in that
> > village. I have also found references to Diego de Velasco as Alcayde de
> > Temiño, and to Hernando Bañuelos as Jurado. Both Alcayde and Jurado are
> > occupations, and in the case of Diego de Velasco, Temiño would be the
> > village or town where he was Alcayde (or alcalde).
> >
> > I have Pedro de León and Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos as the parents of
> > Francisca de Alcocer and her sister Beatriz. Francisca, as we know, married
> > Diego de Velasco (Alcayde de Temiño). Beatriz married Juan de Salamanca,
> > also a Conquistador. The parents of Beatriz de Alcocer y Bañuelos were
> > Hernando de Bañuelos (Jurado) and Isabel de Alcocer. I suppose Leonor de
> > Temiño was their daughter. When they crossed the Atlantic Hernando and
> > Isabel were listed as being residents of Seville, which may have been the
> > port of embarkation. The parents of Isabel de Alcocer were Juan Díaz de
> > Alcocer and María Téllez (great-grandparents of Francisca and Beatriz de
> > Alcocer).
> >
> > I compiled this information from several sources, and may or may not be
> > correct. One thing is for sure: there is no connection to Treviño. The
> > Temiño surname, which today is fairly common in Spain, has nothing to do
> > with the Treviño surname.
> >
> > Bill Figueroa
> >
> >
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Esther,

I have seen Diego Temiño de Velasco referred to as Alcaide (or Alcaide) in more than one source. Below is some information about Diego de Aguilar, who married a daughter of Diego Temiño de Velasco (I have not been able to find her first name). It also mentions his son Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos. who is one of the founding fathers of Zacatecas. The sources are included in parenthesis.

"AGUILAR, Diego de
Hijo legítimo de Alonso de Aguilar y de Mari Gutiérrez de Santander. Pasó con Pedrarias de Avila a Tierra Firme. Arribó a la Nueva España con un navío suyo, cargado de armas, caballos y bastimentos. Dueño de minas en la Nueva España desde 1528. Hacia 1548 era vecino de la ciudad de México, pero residía en las minas de Zultepec, donde fue nombrado, el 21 de junio de 1550, diputado de minas por un año. Casó con una hija legítima del alcaide Diego Temiño de Velasco, el padre legítimo de Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos (Documentos cortesianos I, 1990: 90; Gerhard, 1992: 316; Icaza, 1969: N 617; Palomino y Cañedo, 1972: 232)."

I have seen his name written in some documents as "Diego de Velasco, Alcayde de Temiño", but have no idea whether he was Alcayde of Temiño in Castilla la Vieja, or somewhere in the Nueva España.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Bill,

Where did you get the information that Diego Temino Velasco, husband of Francisca Alcocer , was the alcalde of Temino? What exactly does the source say?

Thanks,

Esther

Esther A. Herold

Sofía,

Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "sophia"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Esther and Bill,

I must say thank you to both of you!
I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
there children. (Copied Below)
Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that
Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther
saying the same thing.

Thank you Again.
Sofia

Depending on what kind of church records it varies, usually for baptisms the earliest Ive seen is about 1545. Marriages seem to start somewhere between 1565-1580 and deaths earliest as 1521.
-Daniel
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It is the same information i sent before. It is only an index of the record. Theere was no image of the record.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Sofía,
>
> Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It
> would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting
> to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de
> Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sophia"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO
>
>
>
> Esther and Bill,
>
> I must say thank you to both of you!
> I was looking at Pares.es in the "Catalogos de Pasajeros a Indias"
> and found a Diego de Trevino who was married to a Francisca Alcocer with
> there children. (Copied Below)
> Is this Francisca and Diego? Because on Gary Felix's site he mentioned that
> Termino and Trevino are interchanged and I just read your message Esther
> saying the same thing.
>
> Thank you Again.
> Sofia
>
>

Hola Bill,

There was no image. I just copied and pasted so you could see what was there.

Sofia

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:16 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO> > Sofía,> > Did you try to download the actual document from the PARES website? It > would be interesting to read the manuscript. It would also be interesting > to read the original marriage record of Diego Treviño to Beatriz de > Quintanilla in 1563. Do church records in Mexico City go that far back?> > Bill
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I am actually new at this conversation but am very well familiar with these families. I am related to the Duques de Frías. Actually Bernardino Velasco did have two illigitamte children named Ana
and Bernardino, they both recieved courtesy titles such as Señor de Salazar. In the nobility the upper class of the nobles will not pass main titles to iligítimos since it is seen as as a "disgrace."
In the lower nobility that of Marques, Conde, Vizconde, Hidalgos and others dont really care about
iligitamacy, as long as the "titles stay in the house" it is fine. They would much rather prefer
an iligitmate child in the male descent to succeed than a female line marrying some other famil, then that family obtains that title. This was often watched and if only females were available they would marry a male cousin of the same last name to prevent the titles leaving the house.
The upper nobles are sensitive about iligítimos, since it looks bad in Spanish society, still does
to almost all Spaniards today. (They consist of Dukes, Duquesas, Príncipes, and Princesas and the royal familiy )Princes and Princes are seperate from the royal family since they are Infante/a de España. There are seperate princes and princeses. -Daniel
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