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By Marionicia - Posted on 26 July 2008

Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

Bill,

The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold

Diego did serve in Cartagena in early 1530s. have been trying to find information in those archives.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

Iñigo Fernández de Velasco inherited lands and the title of Duque de Frías. If his brother Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, who married María Enríquez Sarmiento, was childless, then who were the parents of Diego Temiño de Velasco?
> Please explain.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
> Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco was childless. His brother Inigo inheirted this
> title and lands. Illegitimate children in that family did inherit titles.
> --
> Esther A. Herold

Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did
you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March
2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to
read.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA

Bill,

The testamento of Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco can be found in this
publication:
http://www.amigosdemedina.com/publicaciones.html
--
Esther A. Herold

Hello Esther,

I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament".
I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I had found it in Retoños.
Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been investigating ironeous information.
Thank you Esther.

Sofia

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to > read.> > Bill Figueroa
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Hi Esther,

I read the document included in your last email concerning Don Bernardino
Fernández de Velasco, first Duque de Frías, which apparently comes from a
reliable source. It has no information about a son named Diego de Velasco,
Alcalde de Temiño (aka Diego de Temiño de Velasco, or Diego Temiño de
Velasco). I find this very disturbing and wonder if the Condestable de
Castilla Don Bernardino Fernández de Velasco mentioned in Mariano González
Leal "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" [Tomo II, Esquema Genealógico
Número 6] is the same person. The description in Wikipedia states that
Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, 3er. Conde de Haro and 7o. Condestable de
Castilla, had no male descendants, consequently his title of Duque de Frías
was inherited by his brother Iñigo Fernández de Velasco. It also mentions
that in his final will and testament he made provisions for the inheritance
of his four illegitimate sons Pedro, Juan, Bernardino and Pedro Suárez,
all of whom he recognized. Was Diego Temiño de Velasco another illegitimate
child not recognized by Don Bernardino? I would like to read his final will
and testament, which apparently is available for the source you mentioned
earlier.

I also think that it would be appropriate to ask Dr. Mariano González Leal
for his source to link Diego Temiño de Velasco to Bernardino Fernández de
Velasco. We need to get to the bottom of this in order to make the
necessary corrections in our databases. Another sore point is the
connection that links Diego de Treviño (who married Beatriz de Quintanilla
in 1563) to Diego Temiño de Velasco and Francisca de Alcocer. They seem to
be totally different families. Do you know of any information that supports
this claim?

Since we have drifted from my original question about Don Gerónimo de Orosco
y Lerma, I decided to change the subject to Diego Temiño de Velasco. I hope
someone in the group will be able to provide the information we need.

Bill Figueroa

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA

Bill,

To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were
born.

See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm

It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer,
who were sisters.
The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain
1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.

Bernardino was married
Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
Source
Duques de Frías(in Portuguese

Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
(Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro,
7º Condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros
y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde
1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca".

This is the travel document for Francisca Alcoer and her children from the archives in Spain. Francisca died in Guadalajara. In Guerillmo Garamedia's Leal's extractions of Gudalajara Tomo I available at San Antonio online bookstore Borderland Books:

ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.2,E.4940
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER
Fecha Creación:
1538-06-13 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple

ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
DOÑA FRANCISCA DE ALCOCER, mujer de Velazco de Treviño, y su hijo Alonso de Velazco y Diego y Baltasar, a Cartagena.

ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Alcocer, Francisca de
Cartagena de Indias
Treviño, Velasco de
Velasco de Treviño Alcocer, Baltasar
Velazco, Alonso de
Velazco de Treviño de Alcocer, Diego
Instrumentos de Descripción:
Descripción incluida en CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS. VOLUMEN II (1535-1538)

ÁREA DE DOCUMENTACIÓN ASOCIADA
Unidades Relacionadas por Procedencia:
CONTRATACION,5536,L.5,F.111v

ÁREA DE CONTROL DE LA DESCRIPCIÓN
Fecha de la Descripción:
2004-05-31

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Hi Esther,
>
> I read the document included in your last email concerning Don Bernardino
> Fernández de Velasco, first Duque de Frías, which apparently comes from a
> reliable source. It has no information about a son named Diego de Velasco,
> Alcalde de Temiño (aka Diego de Temiño de Velasco, or Diego Temiño de
> Velasco). I find this very disturbing and wonder if the Condestable de
> Castilla Don Bernardino Fernández de Velasco mentioned in Mariano González
> Leal "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" [Tomo II, Esquema Genealógico
> Número 6] is the same person. The description in Wikipedia states that
> Bernardino Fernández de Velasco, 3er. Conde de Haro and 7o. Condestable de
> Castilla, had no male descendants, consequently his title of Duque de Frías
> was inherited by his brother Iñigo Fernández de Velasco. It also mentions
> that in his final will and testament he made provisions for the inheritance
> of his four illegitimate sons Pedro, Juan, Bernardino and Pedro Suárez,
> all of whom he recognized. Was Diego Temiño de Velasco another illegitimate
> child not recognized by Don Bernardino? I would like to read his final will
> and testament, which apparently is available for the source you mentioned
> earlier.
>
> I also think that it would be appropriate to ask Dr. Mariano González Leal
> for his source to link Diego Temiño de Velasco to Bernardino Fernández de
> Velasco. We need to get to the bottom of this in order to make the
> necessary corrections in our databases. Another sore point is the
> connection that links Diego de Treviño (who married Beatriz de Quintanilla
> in 1563) to Diego Temiño de Velasco and Francisca de Alcocer. They seem to
> be totally different families. Do you know of any information that supports
> this claim?
>
> Since we have drifted from my original question about Don Gerónimo de Orosco
> y Lerma, I decided to change the subject to Diego Temiño de Velasco. I hope
> someone in the group will be able to provide the information we need.
>
> Bill Figueroa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA
>
>
> Bill,
>
> To find the parents of Diego you have to begin in Seville, where they were
> born.
>
> See this url :http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/archivo/origen/monte.htm
>
> It explains about the relationship of Francisca Alcocer and Beatriz Alcocer,
> who were sisters.
> The information on Saavedra is also in the 'Encomenderos of New Spain
> 1521-155' by Robert Himmerich y Valencia.
>
> Bernardino was married
> Blanca de Herrera, señora de Pedraza de la Sierra
> Juana of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Ferdinand II of Aragon.
> Source
> Duques de Frías(in Portuguese
>
> Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco
> De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
> (Redirigido desde Bernardino Fernández de Velasco (III Conde de Haro))
> Saltar a navegación, búsqueda
> Bernardino I Fernández de Velasco y Mendoza (1454 - 1512), 3º conde de Haro,
> 7º Condestable de Castilla, miembro del triunvirato con el Cardenal Cisneros
> y con Pedro Manrique III de Lara, 1º Duque de Nájera que aconsejaba desde
> 1506 a la Reina Juana I de Castilla "La Loca".
>
>

I just found the reference. I have not had time to get a copy yet of the will. Has any one else?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from sophia : --------------

>
> Hello Esther,
>
> I am also interested like Bill to read this "final will and testament". I also had the same understanding that Bill had about Diego's parents because I
> had found it in Retoños. Its a good thing that this information has come up otherwise we would have been
> investigating ironeous information.
> Thank you Esther.
>
> Sofia
>
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:28:30 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DON GERONIMO DE OROSCO Y LERMA> > Thanks for the information, Esther. I'll send you my comments later. Did > you manage to get a copy of the FINAL WILL AND TESTAMENT of Bernardino > Fernández de Velasco? I saw it listed in the Index of Boletín No. 3 (March > 2002) but didn't find a way to access it. That would be interesting to > read.>
> > Bill Figueroa
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Esther, Sophia et al

Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]

"En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."

Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.

This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to find it.

Bill Figueroa

That was the will I was telling you about before. Only I found it the Neva Galicia Tomo I book by Guillermo Garamendia Leal. You can get the book at Borderlands books.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also
> Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
>
> This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to
> find it.
>
> Bill Figueroa

Guillermo Garmendia Leal extracted infor from the protocolos of Guadalajara.FUNDADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA, GUADALAJARA, TOMO I HISPANIC GENEALOGY
Author: Guillermo Garmendia Leal
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--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Bill Figueroa" : --------------

> Esther, Sophia et al
> Here is another bit of information about doña Francisca de Alcocer from the book "Los protocolos de Rodrígo Hernández Cordero, 1585 - 1591, Escribano público de Guadalajara." by Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [Guadalajara: Ediciones
> del Banco Industrial de Jalisco, S.A., 1972]
> "En el testamento de doña Francisca de Velasco, fechado en 5 de agosto de 1589, ésta declara ser vecina de la ciudad de Guadalajara, viuda mujer que fue de Francisco Cornejo, e hija legítima de Diego Temyño de Velasco y de doña Francisca de Alcocer. En una de las cláusulas dice ser, asimismo, hermana de
> don Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos, vecino de la ciudad de Zacatecas."
> Doña Francisca de Velasco was another sibling of Baltazar and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos y Alcocer. Don Baltazar, Conquistador, married doña María de Zaldívar y Mendoza, and doña Mariana married 1) Pedro Pacho Rodríguez, also
> Conquistador, and 2) Francisco de Figueroa y Carbajal.
>
> This information was quoted to me from that book. I still haven't been able to
> find it.
>
> Bill Figueroa

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