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By rodolfosinai - Posted on 29 February 2008

Ricardo, que gusto, nuevamente eres la luz en el oscurantismo de mi enigma familiar, muchas gracias. De verdad los Valdivia son morenos? conservo una foto de la boda de mis abuelos y mi abuela al igual que sus hermanas eran muy blancas y con ojos azules o verdes, creo que ya te había mandado esa foto te la vuelvo a mandar. La novia es mi abuela Agustina Valdivia Sánchez, a su lado sentada en el piso su hermana Conrrada, a su lado en la fila de atrás, enseguida del niño son Guadalupe y Rita, otras hermanas de mi abuela, como puedes ver son blancas y 2 son rubias, las tres hijas de mi abuela (mi madre y sus dos hermanas) son también blancas y mis dos tías son pelirojas (naturales). Creo que eso lo podremos arreglar con pruebas de ADN, existe gente que identifica el porcentaje de sangre de cada grupo étnico y continente en el ADN de un individuo, si muchos descendientes de los Valdivia nos haríamos esa prueba podríamos identificar las características comunes de la familia y determinar a que grupo pertenecen. Por cierto, tu sabes como donde y como hacerse éstos exámenes? Te pido de favor que en cuanto tu tiempo te lo permita imprimas la foto y se la muestres a los primos de mi abuela para ver si se acuerdan de ella y sus hermanas. No sé nada de las hermanas de mi abuela. Hasta pronto. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:22:39 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto> > Hola primo,> Gusto en volver a saber de ti. Ahí te va:> > Cirila Sánchez Sánchez, hija de Gregorio Sanchez y Lucia Sanchez (casados el> 1 de Febrero de 1884 en San Miguel el Alto [rollo #279454]), hasta ahí tengo> por el momento hasta que vaya a San Miguel o a algún centro familiar de LDS> a buscar el acta de matrimonio.> > La gran mayoría de los Valdivia que yo conozco de San Miguel el Alto y de> aquí de Valle de Guadalupe son morenos, lo cual me hace creer que procedemos> por este lado en su mayoría de personas nativas de la región. Aunque te diré> que los de esta rama llevamos el apellido Valdivia proveniente del> matrimonio entre Sebastián Valdivia e Isabel Martin, aproximadamente por el> año de 1700 en Jalostotitlán. No sé si esta pareja haya sido la primera con> este apellido, quizás alguien del grupo tiene más información acerca de este> matrimonio. Si mis suposiciones son correctas, te vas a dar cuenta que la> línea paterna de esta rama Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto no será la misma> que la de otras ramas Valdivia de la región o de México. > > Cuando encuentres mas información acerca de tu rama Valdivia me avisas para> poder compararla con la que yo tengo y ver si obtenemos los mismos datos> genealógicos. Es una buena manera de saber si no me he equivocado en mi> investigación.> > Bueno primo, que estés bien y estamos en contacto.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo Rodríguez> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > > -----Mensaje original-----> De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Rodolfo> Sinai Gomez> Enviado el: Miércoles 27 de Febrero de 2008 9:16 AM> Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com> Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto y> Guadalupe Jalisco> > > Estimados todos. Hace unos meses Ricardo Rodríguez me hizo el inmenso favor> de proporcionarme el nombre de mis tatarabuelos por parte de la familia> Valdivia y Sánchez, por lo cual estoy muy agradecido. La curiosidad> insaciable del historiador me lleva a pedirles su ayuda para poder conocer> la historia de esas familias y de ser posible el nombre de mis antepasados. > > Alguien tiene información de quienes fueron los primeros Valdivia en San> Miguel el Alto y cual era su procedencia? Alguno de ustedes puede decirme> quienes eran los padres de Cirila Sánchez Sánchez que casó con Juan Valdivia> Moreno? ellos son mis bisabuelos, padres de Agustina Valdivia Sánchez que> nació en San Miguel el Alto en febrero 20 de 1931.> > Muchas gracias.> > Saludos a todos.> > Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.> _________________________________________________________________> ¡Súper premios en nanometrajes subiendo tu video!> http://cine.prodigymsn.com/nanometraje> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
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Hola, yo también desciendo de Bernabé Rodríguez de Frías y Catalina de Torres, originarios de Nochistlán, Zacatecas, ya que varios de sus hijos tuieron descendencia en los Altos de Jalisco, como en Tepatitlán y Jalostotitlán.
Mi línea de los Rodríguez de Frías es como sigue:

1.- Bernabé Rodríguez de Frías quien casó con Mariana Íñiguez.
2.- Nicolás Rodríguez de Frías quien casó con Antonia de Híjar y Mesa.
3.- Bernabé Rodríguez de Frías quien casó con Catalina de Torres.
4.- Nicolás Rodríguez de Frías quien casó con Felipa de Santiago Valdivia Marín.
5.- Fabián Rodríguez de Frías quien casó con María Antonia Rufina Cornejo Riojano.
6.- José Abundo Rodríguez Cornejo quien casó con María Margarita Orozco Gutiérrez.
7.- Felipa de Jesús Rodríguez Orozco quein caso con José Tiburcio Domínguez Cornejo.
8.- José Marcelo Domínguez Rodríguez quien casó con Teodosia González González.
9.- Prudencio Domínguez González quien casó con Luisa Rodríguez Ochoa.
10.- José Domínguez Rodríguez quien casó con Alejandra Ibarra de la Torre.
11.- Francisco Domínguez Ibarra quien casó con María Guadalupe Gallardo Romero.
12.- Ramona Domínguez Gallardo quien casó con José Gómez Martín.
13.- Ana Bertha Gómez Domínguez quien casó con Gilberto Ramírez Díaz.
14.- Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez. YO
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Hi,

Read your e-mail stating that your family is from Juchipila, Moyahua, etc. My grandfather now deceased, was Francisco Reynoso born in Moyahua. His father was Jose Gabino Reynoso also from Moyahua. He was born 19 Feb 1858 and was baptised at the Catholic church Santiago Apostol in Moyahua. He married Lorenza de Jesus Lopez born 10 Aug 1852, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. The following generaton is Jose Gregorio Reynoso, born 23 April 1823 in Moyahua. He married Maria Merced Ponce born 1832, Lobera, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. Next generation: Toribio Reynoso (also went by Renteria as all of our Reynoso's did including my grandfather. Toribio was born abour 1788, Moyahua and he married Maria Norberta Romero who was born about 1792 of Zacatecas, Mexico. Next generation: Silverio Reynoso born about 1771, Zacatecas, Mexico, died 14 July, 1837 in Moyahua. He married Maria Gregoria Carrillo born about 1774 of Moyahua. She died 4 Dec 1834 in Moyahua. Her
father was Jose Miguel Carrillo and her mom Maria Geronima de Luna. This is all I know. If you can help me or I you let me know. I do have children listed on these families.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: "sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com"
To: research
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:06:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Hi Rick,

I currently live in San Antonio, Tx but all my family for about 5 generations is from Juchipila, Amoxochitl and Moyahua, Zac. Before that its like the rest of us... Jalos, Nochistlan, Ags, Lagos de Moreno, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto... Some connections to Spain, as well as the Moctezuma connection. This is all my mom's side though because I have not gotten past Juchipila and Moyahua on my dad's side unfortunately.

A mi me pasa lo contrario... Gente del Medio Oriente me habla en su idioma pensando que les entiendo! Y luego peor que comemos cosas "raras" que ellos tambien comen... Asi que asi se confunden mas!

You speak English well. Do you live in Jalisco now?

Saludos!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Hi Kelly,

I'll email you info later today. Did you say that the Reynoso's went by Renteria? I have been stuck with the Reynoso's for a while... And this may be why.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Hola ,I didn't mean to but in I don't know if this will help There were two brothers Francisco and Diego Reynoso that married two sisters Josefa and Margarita Renteria.
Francisco Reynoso married Josefa Renteria in Guadalajara about 1659. Diego Reynoso married Margarita Renteria in Juchipila about 1680. My guess is Diego Reynoso and Margarita Renteria stayed in Zacatecas and this possibly where the Reynoso/Renteria started . I believe that all of the Reynosos of Zacatecas are related to the Reynosos of Jalisco and Aguascalientes and that all the Renterias in Zacatecas are related.Whats are your thoughts ?
Ronnie Reynoso > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:57:30 -0800> From: kellysweet35@yahoo.com> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto> > Hi,> > Read your e-mail stating that your family is from Juchipila, Moyahua, etc. My grandfather now deceased, was Francisco Reynoso born in Moyahua. His father was Jose Gabino Reynoso also from Moyahua. He was born 19 Feb 1858 and was baptised at the Catholic church Santiago Apostol in Moyahua. He married Lorenza de Jesus Lopez born 10 Aug 1852, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. The following generaton is Jose Gregorio Reynoso, born 23 April 1823 in Moyahua. He married Maria Merced Ponce born 1832, Lobera, Moyahua, Zacatecas, Mexico. Next generation: Toribio Reynoso (also went by Renteria as all of our Reynoso's did including my grandfather. Toribio was born abour 1788, Moyahua and he married Maria Norberta Romero who was born about 1792 of Zacatecas, Mexico. Next generation: Silverio Reyn
oso born about 1771, Zacatecas, Mexico, died 14 July, 1837 in Moyahua. He married Maria Gregoria Carrillo born about 1774 of Moyahua. She died 4 Dec 1834 in Moyahua. Her> father was Jose Miguel Carrillo and her mom Maria Geronima de Luna. This is all I know. If you can help me or I you let me know. I do have children listed on these families.> > Kelly > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: "sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com" > To: research > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:06:09 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto> > Hi Rick,> > I currently live in San Antonio, Tx but all my family for about 5 generations is from Juchipila, Amoxochitl and Moyahua, Zac. Before that its like the rest of us... Jalos, Nochistlan, Ags, Lagos de Moreno, San Juan de los Lagos, San Miguel el Alto... Some connections to Spain, as well as the Moctezuma connection. This is all my mom's side though becaus
e I have not gotten past Juchipila and Moyahua on my dad's side unfortunately. > > A mi me pasa lo contrario... Gente del Medio Oriente me habla en su idioma pensando que les entiendo! Y luego peor que comemos cosas "raras" que ellos tambien comen... Asi que asi se confunden mas!> > You speak English well. Do you live in Jalisco now?> > Saludos!> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >
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Can someone help me with my inquiries?

I just could not find my grandfather's baptismal records. (Not to mention his birth certificate. It was around president Juarez's time that the church was forced to stop to register births etc) He was born (we think) in San Miguel el alto or around there. In San Miguel, I have seen the books therefore the baptismal record of one of his sisters in the church in San Miguel around 1870. But I could not find anything about my grandfather. I also searched in Jalos, San Juan, Arandas, El Valle, Cañadas. All around Los Altos. I could not find anything.

He must have been born betweeen 1860 to 1875. My father was born in 1902 also in San Miguel.

My grandfather's name was Ireneo Alvarez Zermeño. He was the son of Basilio Alvarez and Maria Ignacia Zermeño.

Thank you

Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
Ricardo, I have Maria Rodriguez daughter of Bernabe and Catalina Torres from Nochistlan who married May 31, 1717 in Jalos to Juan Alvarez Tostado son of Capitan Francisco and Ana Ramirez de Mendoza from Jalosfrom Jalos they married in Nochistlan. If you send a partial tree, maybe I can help.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Rodriguez
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Good idea, I will.

Gracias Miguel

Ricardo, try looking for Rodriguez in Nochistlan Zacatecas.

Miguel Gutierrez de la Torre

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Rodriguez>
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Hi Sandra,

My ancestors are from Jalos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos,
Teocaltiche, Tepatitlán, Capilla de Guadalupe, Arandas, Ayotlán,
Guadalajara, and of most recently, from Valle de Guadalupe, where I
currently live and do my research.

I was born and raised in Los Angeles, CA but my parents brought us to
Mexico
to live when I was 10. I was here until I was old enough to go back to the
US by myself thinking I would like it there, but I saw that I enjoyed life
more here in Mexico, living close to family, friends and most important,
in
my real country, so I came back.

Do you have a pedigree chart that I can look at and see if we have any
ancestors in common? I'm pretty far on my genealogical research, though
I'm
stuck on the one that I'm more interested in (RODRIGUEZ). I'm stuck in
Jalos
around 1780, trying to find the missing link to maybe the RODRIGUEZ DE
PORTUGAL or another RODRIGUEZ family.

How far are you on yours?

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

La sangre del medio oriente que dices traer, quizá se deba a los genes del Sur de España. Ya ves, los rasgos que abundan en Los Altos no me dejan mentir. Y claro esos prietos de España, son obviamente moros.
Digo, yo nomás digo.

Juan Ramón Alvarez

Rick Rodriguez wrote:
I agree with you Linda. I also believe it's impossible to know if the
ancestors of a certain genealogical line here in Los Altos de Jalisco were
from European descent or native Americans just by their last name. I'm not
sure if it happened in other regions but I read that when the native
Mexicans first started carrying last names here in Jalisco, that when their
children were baptized, some of them were given the last name of their
"padrino" or godfather, and that the padrino was the one who decided what
name and last name to give the newborn child.

I recently had a friend of mine of last name JIMENEZ, which is obvious a
Spanish surname, take his DNA test and his Y chromosome results came out as
native American. Either one of his ancestors adopted this last name as his
or somewhere along the way one of his great grandfather's mother had him
from an "unknown" father and gave him the last name JIMENEZ. I'm still not
that far on this research.

In my case, until about 100 years ago, I'd say that 95% of my ancestors were
European (I won't say Spanish because I'm still not sure if one my paternal
great grandfathers was from Spain or France), but I do not look like the
typical Spanish descending person from this region. Many people in the US
have asked me if I'm from the Middle East, which I have to confess that at
first I thought it was mean of them, but as I started to know my ancestors,
I don't think it's awkward at all, especially because I do look like someone
from that region. I just got my DNA results back a few weeks ago and it
turns out that I'm from the K2 haplogroup, which is Mediterranean. This
explains why I don't look like the Spanish blondes here in Los Altos, that
come from North-Western Europe.

Who knows!

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Enviado el: Viernes 29 de Febrero de 2008 7:27 PM
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

My Spanish is lacking but I get the general idea that whether a persons
family is light or dark skined determines if they were Spaniards or Indios
is the question.

I have to agree that it doesn't mean a thing without dna or mtdna testing.
My mother and her mother were blond, blued eyed and claimed to be Spaniards.
In doing the genealogy records I found most were Spanish but I also have a
black line and that was only 200 years ago. My mtdna came back that my
first mother was Native American, Nahua in Mexico. Even the records don't
always tell the truth about origin. Being listed as Spanish seems to equate
with money or prestige. In my Zacatecas lineage I have 4 Caldera
grandmothers all claiming Espanol when we know for a fact that Maria and
Capitan Miguel Caldera had an Indio mother. The joy is in reclaiming all
our heritage and the surprise's along the way.

I do hope our Spanish speaking members understand what I'm trying to say.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Yes the Reynoso and the Renteria name is interchangeable at least by my family. From my grandfather through all of the Reynoso lines that I have both names are used. My mother used to tell me that one line is an adopted line according to her father now deceased. One of the great grandfather's, I don't know how many greats had lost his parents and was raised by another family. The person was so grateful that he took on the adopted line in honor. I don't know that I fully agree with this. I have seen the Reynoso and the Renteria names used on documents for the same person, even for my grandfather and as far back as my records go thus far.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: "sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com"
To: research
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 9:29:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Hi Kelly,

I'll email you info later today. Did you say that the Reynoso's went by Renteria? I have been stuck with the Reynoso's for a while... And this may be why.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Hola Erlinda

Me llamo Juan Ramón Alvarez.
Me gustaría que me ayudaras a encontrar la fé de bautizmo de mi abuelito Ireneo Alvarez Zermeño. El nació más o menos en 1860-1875 en San MIguel el Alto. La verdad yo no encontré nada en los archivos parroquiales ahí en San Miguel. Vi, eso sí, la fé de bautismo de una de las hermanas de mi abuelito.
Mi abuelo era hijo de Basilio Alvarez y Maria Ignacia Zermeño.
Gracias

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
My Spanish is lacking but I get the general idea that whether a persons family is light or dark skined determines if they were Spaniards or Indios is the question.

I have to agree that it doesn't mean a thing without dna or mtdna testing. My mother and her mother were blond, blued eyed and claimed to be Spaniards. In doing the genealogy records I found most were Spanish but I also have a black line and that was only 200 years ago. My mtdna came back that my first mother was Native American, Nahua in Mexico. Even the records don't always tell the truth about origin. Being listed as Spanish seems to equate with money or prestige. In my Zacatecas lineage I have 4 Caldera grandmothers all claiming Espanol when we know for a fact that Maria and Capitan Miguel Caldera had an Indio mother. The joy is in reclaiming all our heritage and the surprise's along the way.

I do hope our Spanish speaking members understand what I'm trying to say.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

Rick Rodriguez wrote:
Hola Rodolfo,
Como has estado? La línea de los Valdivia que yo conozco son mas morenos que
blancos pero quizás es porque ya se han mezclado con otras familias. Como te
mencioné en mi pasado correo, a según mis datos, si se le hiciera una prueba
de ADN del cromosoma paterno a alguno de esta rama Valdivia de San Miguel el
Alto te darás cuenta que no van a coincidir los resultados con los demás
Valdivia de la región. No sé cuantas personas de este apellido queden dentro
de esta línea pero me imagino que son bastantes.

Te digo esto porque Miguel Ciriaco Valdivia (nuestro ancestro), nacido el 21
de agosto de 1771 en San Miguel el Alto, fue hijo de "padre no conocido" por
lo que tomó el apellido de su madre Ricarda (o Rosalía) Valdivia Sánchez.
Algunas personas que todavía viven me han dicho que JUAN VALDIVIA RODRÍGUEZ
(mi tatarabuelo, bisnieto de MIGUEL CIRIACO VALDIVIA, primo hermano de tu
tatarabuelo CESAREO VALDIVIA DOMÍNGUEZ) era una persona morena de rasgos
indígenas, pero quien sabe.

Las pruebas de ADN las hacen varias compañías de EU y hasta te hacen llegar
el kit de prueba aquí a México. Por lo que me han dicho, uno de las mejores
laboratorios para hacer los análisis es el de www.familytreedna.com.
Yo ya me hice los análisis a través de Sorenson o Relative Genetics, pero lo
malo que como es gratis, no te hacen saber tus resultados como lo hacen los
que te cobran por ellos.

Bueno Rodolfo, espero algún día nos podamos conocer si vienes acá a San
Miguel el Alto o Valle de Guadalupe. Me avisas si vienes por estos rumbos.
Si necesitas algo de la parroquia de San Miguel me avisas.

Hasta luego, que estés bien.

Ricardo

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Estoy de acuerdo, según mis resultados de ADN, mi línea paterna de
haplogrupo K2 abunda cerca del Mediterraneo, a diferencia de los "güeros"
europeos que vinieron a México del haplogrupo Rb1 proveniente del norte de
Europa.

Saludos,

Ricardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Juan Ramón
Alvarez
Enviado el: Sábado 1 de Marzo de 2008 2:36 PM
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

Ricardo:
La sangre del medio oriente que dices traer, quizá se deba a los genes del
Sur de España. Ya ves, los rasgos que abundan en Los Altos no me dejan
mentir. Y claro esos prietos de España, son obviamente moros.
Digo, yo nomás digo.

Juan Ramón Alvarez

Rick Rodriguez wrote:
I agree with you Linda. I also believe it's impossible to know if the
ancestors of a certain genealogical line here in Los Altos de Jalisco were
from European descent or native Americans just by their last name. I'm not
sure if it happened in other regions but I read that when the native
Mexicans first started carrying last names here in Jalisco, that when their
children were baptized, some of them were given the last name of their
"padrino" or godfather, and that the padrino was the one who decided what
name and last name to give the newborn child.

I recently had a friend of mine of last name JIMENEZ, which is obvious a
Spanish surname, take his DNA test and his Y chromosome results came out as
native American. Either one of his ancestors adopted this last name as his
or somewhere along the way one of his great grandfather's mother had him
from an "unknown" father and gave him the last name JIMENEZ. I'm still not
that far on this research.

In my case, until about 100 years ago, I'd say that 95% of my ancestors were
European (I won't say Spanish because I'm still not sure if one my paternal
great grandfathers was from Spain or France), but I do not look like the
typical Spanish descending person from this region. Many people in the US
have asked me if I'm from the Middle East, which I have to confess that at
first I thought it was mean of them, but as I started to know my ancestors,
I don't think it's awkward at all, especially because I do look like someone
from that region. I just got my DNA results back a few weeks ago and it
turns out that I'm from the K2 haplogroup, which is Mediterranean. This
explains why I don't look like the Spanish blondes here in Los Altos, that
come from North-Western Europe.

Who knows!

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Enviado el: Viernes 29 de Febrero de 2008 7:27 PM
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez y Valdivia de San Miguel el Alto

My Spanish is lacking but I get the general idea that whether a persons
family is light or dark skined determines if they were Spaniards or Indios
is the question.

I have to agree that it doesn't mean a thing without dna or mtdna testing.
My mother and her mother were blond, blued eyed and claimed to be Spaniards.
In doing the genealogy records I found most were Spanish but I also have a
black line and that was only 200 years ago. My mtdna came back that my
first mother was Native American, Nahua in Mexico. Even the records don't
always tell the truth about origin. Being listed as Spanish seems to equate
with money or prestige. In my Zacatecas lineage I have 4 Caldera
grandmothers all claiming Espanol when we know for a fact that Maria and
Capitan Miguel Caldera had an Indio mother. The joy is in reclaiming all
our heritage and the surprise's along the way.

I do hope our Spanish speaking members understand what I'm trying to say.

Linda Castanon-Long in Everett

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