Santa Rosalia

If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I don't know if its close to Augacalientes.

Mary

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lupe Kerr
>Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

To Lupe Kerr,

If you go to the Ranchos website you will find a link- Diccionario Geografico etc. by Cubas. In it you will find a list of 8 haciendas named Santa Rosalia. There is also a long list of ranchos with the same name. San Luis Potosi has three ranchos and Jalisco two. I'm not so sure that the ranchos in Potosi are closer than the ones in Jalostotitlan or Tepaatitlan.

David, Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lupe Kerr
>Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>
>
>Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

Thank you, it helped. Lupe

Quoting "David P. Delgado" :

> To Lupe Kerr,
>
> If you go to the Ranchos website you will find a link- Diccionario
> Geografico etc. by Cubas. In it you will find a list of 8 haciendas
> named Santa Rosalia. There is also a long list of ranchos with the
> same name. San Luis Potosi has three ranchos and Jalisco two. I'm
> not so sure that the ranchos in Potosi are closer than the ones in
> Jalostotitlan or Tepaatitlan.
>
> David, Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lupe Kerr
>> Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM
>> To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia
>>
>>
>> Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes?
>> I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any
>> record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth
>> cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi [at] earthlink [dot] net> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> >Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> >general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >To change your subscription, log on to:> >http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
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Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another
question, on
one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua
Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out
what it
is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different
area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"
area? Thanks again

Quoting tony cobos :

>
> It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a
> town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a
> lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary
> wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. >
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi [at] earthlink [dot] net>
> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
> Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I
> don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original
> Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13,
> 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> >Subject:
> [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa
> Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from
> that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name
> of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be
> appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
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> >general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >To change your subscription, log
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It appears to me that the handwriting on the document needs further
review! Marge:)

On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:31 PM, tex1 [at] clearwire [dot] net wrote:

> Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another
> question, on
> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua
> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out
> what it
> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely
> different
> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a
> "born"
> area? Thanks again
>
>
>
> Quoting tony cobos :
>
>>
>> It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a
>> town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a
>> lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary
>> wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. >
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi [at] earthlink [dot] net>
>> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
>> Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I
>> don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original
>> Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13,
>> 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> >Subject:
>> [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa
>> Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from
>> that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name
>> of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be
>> appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
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>>> general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >To change your subscription, log
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No I have never heard of that; I beleive Angola is an African country; I would try variations of that word unless you are sure it says "angola". > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:31:26 -0500> From: tex1 [at] clearwire [dot] net> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another > question, on> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out > what it> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"> area? Thanks again> > > > Quoting tony cobos :> > >> > It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a > > town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a > > lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary > > wars), so the time frame is important in tracking that down. > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi [at] earthlink [dot] net> > > To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] > > Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I > > don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original > > Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, > > 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> >Subject: > > [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa > > Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from > > that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name > > of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be > > appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> > > >general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >To change your subscription, log > > on to:> >http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send > > email to:> general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your > > subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> > _________________________________________________________________> > Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare!> > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
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The best bet is Angola is a misswritten "Ags." or "Aguas", being the case they wanted to write "Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes" which should be the correct statement, take it for sure.

tony cobos escribió:
No I have never heard of that; I beleive Angola is an African country; I would try variations of that word unless you are sure it says "angola". > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:31:26 -0500> From: tex1 [at] clearwire [dot] net> To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> > Thank you Tony for your information. If you will permit me another > question, on> one of the Ancestry hits, it has my greatgrandfather being born in Agua> Calientes then it has the word Angola I've been trying to figure out > what it> is when written Aguacalientes, Angola.....That to me is a completely different> area not even related to Mexico. Have you ever come across that as a "born"> area? Thanks again> > > > Quoting tony cobos :> > >> > It is also a city in Chihuahua (now known as Camargo) as well as a > > town in Baja California Sur. Cities have changed names over time (a > > lot were changed after the Guerra de la Reforma and Revolutionary > > wars), so the time frame is
important in tracking that down. > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:40:35 -0800> From: mgervassi [at] earthlink [dot] net> > > To: general [at] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] > > Santa Rosalia> > If I am not mistaken, it is in Chihuhua, Mex. but I > > don't know if its close to Augacalientes.> > Mary > > -----Original > > Message-----> >From: Lupe Kerr > >Sent: Nov 13, > > 2007 3:42 PM> >To: general [at] lists [dot] nuestrosranchos [dot] com> >Subject: > > [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Rosalia> >> >> >Can anyone tell me if Santa > > Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from > > that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name > > of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be > > appreciated. Thanks Lupe> >-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > >Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> >To post, send email to:> > > >general(at)NuestrosRanchos.com> >> >To change your subscription, log > > on to:> >http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com>

Lupe

Three of my grandparents were from that area Santa Rosalia de Camargo, Chih. I have a small database for that area and if you give me the names that you are looking for I will try and find some info for you. Just give me a little information about them, a timeframe parents whatever you have. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU AND ALL THE RANCHOS GROUP

Yolanda Medina Perez from El Paso

Lupe Kerr wrote:

Can anyone tell me if Santa Rosalia is anywhere near AugaCalientes? I have Garcia family from that area, but I can't seem to find any record with the actual name of Santa Rosalia, except for the birth cert. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Lupe

Tony,

I missed the previous correspondence on this subject, but read your last message this morning. On the subject of Angola, I would like to share some information with the group that might shed some light on this obscure subject. First, I would like to confirm that Angola is a large country
(about 2/3 the size of Mexico) in West Africa. It is bound by Zaire, Zambia, Namibia and on the west by the Atlantic Ocean. It is very rich in natural resources, but most people live in extreme poverty. I visited Angola once a month for seven years (1997-2004) while working as a contractor for ExxonMobil, and before that for nearly five years (1986-1990) while working for Chevron Oil Company. Angola has huge petroleum reserves and some of the largest deepwater oil reservoirs in the world. Luanda, Angola's capital city, is a long way from my home in Dallas, Texas. It usually took me two days to get there, flying via Europe from New York or Newark to Lisbon, Paris or Frankfurt, and from there to Luanda. Sometimes I flew from Atlanta or Miami to Johannesburg in South Africa, and from there to Luanda. Quite an exhausting trip.

While conducting genealogical research in Aguascalientes and other parts of Mexico I've seen many references to Angola in old church and civil records. The parties involved were usually African slaves imported from west Africa to work in sparsely populated areas, such as Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.

While standing-by in Angola in 2002 for an offshore rig move, I spent one Sunday afternoon visiting a slave museum near Luanda. It was located in a small building on a remote beach where the slave traders from Europe came to pick up their infamous cargo. The slaves, captured by the stronger African tribes, were sold on site to the highest bidder. The ships stayed at anchor while the natives transported their prisoners in dugout canoes from that building (now a museum) to the moored ships less than a mile away. Quite cruel and inhuman behavior, but that's the way it was in those days. Most of the slaves were taken to the sugarcane fields, mines and coffee plantations of Brazil (like Angola, Brazil was a Portuguese colony) but many ended up in the cotton fields of the southern United States, Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. A few years before I had visited a similar slave staging area in the city of Dakar, Senegal. Most of the slaves sold in Dakar were from Gam
bia and Senegal, and ended up in the United States.

I believe the people in the records in question were either African slaves from Angola, or their descendants. I may be able to verify this by reading some of those records. Can you email me a scan?

Bill Figueroa