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By chilerey54 - Posted on 17 October 2007

Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
Esparza
Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez

Hi Ronnie,

You might also be interested in the Centenos.

Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
and Da. María de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);

Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600) and
Da. Ana Ortiz;

Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and he
was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
daughter of Cristobal Martínez and Ana de Rosas.

I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon, who
married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.

Regards,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
Reynoso
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com;
ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
Esparza
Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez

Ive done extensive research on the descendants of DOna Petra if anyone needs any info. -Daniel

Hola Hector ,how are you ? Thanks for the info ,I haven't gone further than
Jacinto Centeno. I was given info that Jose Matias Centeno also went by the
name of MATHIAS CARRASQUILLA married to MARGARITA MUNOZ ROMO 02-11-1703
.Dates are the same as the wife . I found it strange and thought the Centeno
was a name change.
tu primo nuevo
Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de LOS ALTOS de JALISCO

>From: "Hector Felix"
>Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>
>Hi Ronnie,
>
>You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>
>Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
>and Da. María de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>
>Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600)
>and
>Da. Ana Ortiz;
>
>Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
>Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and
>he
>was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
>daughter of Cristobal Martínez and Ana de Rosas.
>
>I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon,
>who
>married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
>and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>
>Regards,
>Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
>Reynoso
>Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com;
>ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
>Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
>Esparza
>Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
>Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>
>

Hola Hector ,sorry I'm bugging but what other lines do you descend from and
from what states ? Tu primo Ronnie

>From: "Hector Felix"
>Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>
>Hi Ronnie,
>
>You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>
>Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
>and Da. María de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>
>Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600)
>and
>Da. Ana Ortiz;
>
>Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
>Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and
>he
>was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
>daughter of Cristobal Martínez and Ana de Rosas.
>
>I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon,
>who
>married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
>and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>
>Regards,
>Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
>Reynoso
>Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com;
>ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
>Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
>Esparza
>Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
>Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>
>

Hola Daniel ,I would like some info if possible on Petronila de Moctezuma

Tu Primo Ronnie
>From: mormonboy74
>Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petronila de Moctezuma
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Ive done extensive research on the descendants of DOna Petra if anyone
>needs any info. -Daniel
>

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA

Hi Daniel:
I would appreciate any information that you have on Petronila de Moctezuma. I am a descendent from Ana Francisca de Gabay and Lope Ruiz de Esparza, their daughter Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and Luis Tiscareno de Molina,their daughter Lorenza Tiscareno de Molina and husband Pedro Romo de Vivar. The only information that I have on Lope Ruiz de Esparza is a copy of the record when he left Spain, (pasaje a Indias) that you sent me. Do you have anything else on him?
It looks like we might be primos.
Thank you
John Gonzalez
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Thanks for the information primo. My line comes through Francisca Gabay Navarro y Moctezuma. I will have to wrte more later. I am supposed to be shutting down so my computer can go in the rv. We are leaving on a trip to Washington state. We will be there for Thanksgiving and then on to California to spend Christmas with a son and family. We won't be back home until January sometime, when the weather should be good and cold. Here I am busy with genealogy, my favorite thing to do. We take our computers with us and we get on the internet whenever possible. I should be able to still work on indexing and keep track of things.

I am doing fine, thankyou. I will feel a little more rested once we are on the road and I quit working.

Will get back to you soon so we can learn more about our ancesctors.

Have a great day.

Kelly

----- Original Message ----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com; ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:36:54 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
Esparza
Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez

Hi Ronnie,

You're right about the surname Carrasquilla. It might have belonged to his
maternal grandmother, whom we don't know.

I have all the usual Los Altos ancestors: Romo de Vivar, Ruiz de Esparza,
Lopez de Elizalde, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Munoz de Nava, Pedroza, Luna,
Martin del Campo, Vazquez Zermeno, Loza, Diaz de Leon, Hurtado de Mendoza,
Lozano, Anda Altamirano, Moreno de Ortega, etc. most of whom are already
very well known to all the group.

Plus many more from the Zacatecas region: Felix de Arellano, Sanchez
Castellanos, Carlos de Godoy, de la Torre Valdes, Llanos y Valdes, Carrillo
de Avila, Rodarte, Correa Troncoso Sotomayor, Sotomayor, Garcia de la
Cadena, Gonzalez de Haro, Miramontes, Marquez de los Olivos, Perez Montes,
Minjares y Solorzano, Escobedo, Vazquez de Mercado, Acevedo y Alarcón,
Enriquez, Cid Caldera, de la Cueva Carvajal, Olague Etulain, Chavez
Banuelos, Tello de Orozco, Soto y Almeida, Renteria, Rio de Losa, Cabral,
Avila, Ortiz de San Pedro, Luna, Haro, Lamas, Vela, Beruben, Ruiz de
Guadiana, etc.

Plus some from the Celaya (El Bajio) region (Garcia de Leon, Aguilar y
Arteaga, Lopez de Aguirre, Vallejo, Maldonado, Centeno, Landin, Pisano, de
la Parra, Melendez, Mandujano, Paredes, Muñoz de Sanabria, Herrera y Porras,
Garcia Caballero, Medina, Silva, etc.), and current states of Mexico,
Pachuca, Queretaro, Puebla and Mexico City.

I've just sent some clarification on the Centenos to John Gonzalez which I
repeat here, because I relieve it didn't go through to all the list:

The first part of the information I gave (on Jose Jacinto Centeno) I got
from Mariano Gonzalez Leal: Information about the parents of Jose Jacinto
Centeno appear in the marriage information for his wedding to Antonia Ruiz
de Esparza en Aguascalientes on 21st May, 1679, cited by Luz Montejano on
her books page 185 / 1007.

As to the ancestry of Alonso Centeno, it appears on his marriage information
to wed Antonia Tello y Valverde, In Archivo de Casa de Morelos, on 2nd
August, 1664:

“Celaya, 2 de Agosto de 1664
Alonso Centeno, viudo de María de Castro, hijo de Diego Centeno y de Ana
Ortiz, difunta, tiene tratado casar con Antonia Tello Valverde, hija de
Mateo Pérez de Valverde, difunto, y de Magdalena Tello Sandoval.
Testigos: Francisco de Oviedo, Gabriel Centeno, su hermano, Pedro Rentería
Villa, Diego Dávila, maestro de boticario.
AHCM/PARROQUIAL/SACRAMENTAL/Matrimonios/Subserie/Caja 29/Exp.106/F. 251”

Martin Centeno could’ve been Alonso’s father. For the dowry he got when
marrying Quiteria Martínez de Rosas he granted “carta de dote” in Celaya on
on 9th July, 1612, which appears in the protocols of Francisco Jimenez,
notary public at the time in Celaya, which are kept in Archivo Historico
Municipal de Morelia. Although there is the possibility that Martin and
Alonso might haved been brothers.

I can say that I'm a specialist in Celaya and its region. If you or anybody
from the group have ancestors in this region let me know and I'll try and
help you.

Best regards,

Hector Felix Aizcorbe

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
Reynoso
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 11:17 p.m.
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Hector ,how are you ? Thanks for the info ,I haven't gone further than
Jacinto Centeno. I was given info that Jose Matias Centeno also went by the
name of MATHIAS CARRASQUILLA married to MARGARITA MUNOZ ROMO 02-11-1703
Dates are the same as the wife . I found it strange and thought the Centeno

was a name change.
tu primo nuevo
Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de LOS ALTOS de JALISCO

>From: "Hector Felix"
>Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>
>Hi Ronnie,
>
>You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>
>Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
>and Da. Marma de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>
>Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600)
>and
>Da. Ana Ortiz;
>
>Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
>Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and
>he
>was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
>daughter of Cristobal Martmnez and Ana de Rosas.
>
>I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon,
>who
>married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
>and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>
>Regards,
>Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
>Reynoso
>Enviado el: Miircoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com;
>ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
>Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
>Esparza
>Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
>Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>
>

You seem to have a lot of the surnames that I have. I would like to know more about your Renteria line and where they lived.

Kelly

.----- Original Message ----
From: Hector Felix
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:17:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hi Ronnie,

You're right about the surname Carrasquilla. It might have belonged to his
maternal grandmother, whom we don't know.

I have all the usual Los Altos ancestors: Romo de Vivar, Ruiz de Esparza,
Lopez de Elizalde, Gonzalez de Hermosillo, Munoz de Nava, Pedroza, Luna,
Martin del Campo, Vazquez Zermeno, Loza, Diaz de Leon, Hurtado de Mendoza,
Lozano, Anda Altamirano, Moreno de Ortega, etc. most of whom are already
very well known to all the group.

Plus many more from the Zacatecas region: Felix de Arellano, Sanchez
Castellanos, Carlos de Godoy, de la Torre Valdes, Llanos y Valdes, Carrillo
de Avila, Rodarte, Correa Troncoso Sotomayor, Sotomayor, Garcia de la
Cadena, Gonzalez de Haro, Miramontes, Marquez de los Olivos, Perez Montes,
Minjares y Solorzano, Escobedo, Vazquez de Mercado, Acevedo y Alarcón,
Enriquez, Cid Caldera, de la Cueva Carvajal, Olague Etulain, Chavez
Banuelos, Tello de Orozco, Soto y Almeida, Renteria, Rio de Losa, Cabral,
Avila, Ortiz de San Pedro, Luna, Haro, Lamas, Vela, Beruben, Ruiz de
Guadiana, etc.

Plus some from the Celaya (El Bajio) region (Garcia de Leon, Aguilar y
Arteaga, Lopez de Aguirre, Vallejo, Maldonado, Centeno, Landin, Pisano, de
la Parra, Melendez, Mandujano, Paredes, Muñoz de Sanabria, Herrera y Porras,
Garcia Caballero, Medina, Silva, etc.), and current states of Mexico,
Pachuca, Queretaro, Puebla and Mexico City.

I've just sent some clarification on the Centenos to John Gonzalez which I
repeat here, because I relieve it didn't go through to all the list:

The first part of the information I gave (on Jose Jacinto Centeno) I got
from Mariano Gonzalez Leal: Information about the parents of Jose Jacinto
Centeno appear in the marriage information for his wedding to Antonia Ruiz
de Esparza en Aguascalientes on 21st May, 1679, cited by Luz Montejano on
her books page 185 / 1007.

As to the ancestry of Alonso Centeno, it appears on his marriage information
to wed Antonia Tello y Valverde, In Archivo de Casa de Morelos, on 2nd
August, 1664:

“Celaya, 2 de Agosto de 1664
Alonso Centeno, viudo de María de Castro, hijo de Diego Centeno y de Ana
Ortiz, difunta, tiene tratado casar con Antonia Tello Valverde, hija de
Mateo Pérez de Valverde, difunto, y de Magdalena Tello Sandoval.
Testigos: Francisco de Oviedo, Gabriel Centeno, su hermano, Pedro Rentería
Villa, Diego Dávila, maestro de boticario.
AHCM/PARROQUIAL/SACRAMENTAL/Matrimonios/Subserie/Caja 29/Exp.106/F. 251”

Martin Centeno could’ve been Alonso’s father. For the dowry he got when
marrying Quiteria Martínez de Rosas he granted “carta de dote” in Celaya on
on 9th July, 1612, which appears in the protocols of Francisco Jimenez,
notary public at the time in Celaya, which are kept in Archivo Historico
Municipal de Morelia. Although there is the possibility that Martin and
Alonso might haved been brothers.

I can say that I'm a specialist in Celaya and its region. If you or anybody
from the group have ancestors in this region let me know and I'll try and
help you.

Best regards,

Hector Felix Aizcorbe

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
Reynoso
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 11:17 p.m.
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hola Hector ,how are you ? Thanks for the info ,I haven't gone further than
Jacinto Centeno. I was given info that Jose Matias Centeno also went by the
name of MATHIAS CARRASQUILLA married to MARGARITA MUNOZ ROMO 02-11-1703
Dates are the same as the wife . I found it strange and thought the Centeno

was a name change.
tu primo nuevo
Ronnie ,pariente acasi todos de LOS ALTOS de JALISCO

>From: "Hector Felix"
>Reply-To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:24:24 -0500
>
>Hi Ronnie,
>
>You might also be interested in the Centenos.
>
>Jose Jacinto Centeno was the son of Alonso Centeno (born in Celaya c 1625)
>and Da. Marma de Castro (born in Zacatecas c 1630);
>
>Alonso Centeno was the son of Diego Centeno (born in Celaya around 1600)
>and
>Da. Ana Ortiz;
>
>Diego Centeno was, most probably, the son of Martin Centeno and Quiteria
>Martinez de Rosas. I don't know where he was born, possibly in Spain, and
>he
>was a prominent business man and regidor of Celaya in the early 17th
>century. Quiteria was possibly born in Apaseo (near Celaya) and was the
>daughter of Cristobal Martmnez and Ana de Rosas.
>
>I'm descended from Maria Antonia Centeno, the sister of your Jose Ramon,
>who
>married three times: to Jose Lazaro Sanchez, to Miguel Antonio de Reynoso
>and to Antonio Ramon de Luna. My ancestor is the last husband.
>
>Regards,
>Hector Felix Aizcorbe
>
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
>[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Ronald
>Reynoso
>Enviado el: Miircoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 12:37 p.m.
>Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com; chavz2000@aol.com;
>ron.chavez@verizon.net; jcenteno@cox.net; rogelioloza1956@yahoo.com.mx
>Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line
>
>Hola Kelly ,how are you ? Well I hope.
>This is just one over a dozen lines of my connection to Petrolina de
>Moctezuma and Martin Navarro:
>Daughter :Francisca de Gabay Navarro de Moctezuma married Lope Ruiz de
>Esparza
>Son: Cristobal Ruiz de Esparza -Had an affair-name of woman not mentioned
>Illegitimate Daughter=Antonia Ruiz de Esparza married Jacinto Centeno
>Son :Jose Matias Centeno married Margarita Munoz Romo
>Son:Jose Felix Centeno married Maria Antonia Moreno
>Son:Jose Ramon Centeno married Maria Concepcion Ramirez
>Son:Joseph Antonio Abad Centeno married Maria Guadalupe Alderete
>Daughter:Sesaria de Jesus married Jose Anastacio Padilla
>Son: Cruz Padilla married Juanita Perez
>Daughter ; Jesus Padilla married Manuel Reynoso
>Son :Baudelio Reynoso married Betty Hermosillo
>Me :Ronald(Ronnie) Reynoso married Cristina Rodriguez
>
>

Hi Silvia,

I have at least 3 lines of Carlos de Godoy:

María Tomasa Carlos de Godoy, married to Bonifacio de la Torre Valdes
Daughter of Jose Carlos de Godoy and Juana Cid Caldera
Son of Juan Carlos de Godoy and Sebastiana Rodriguez
Son of Juan Carlos de Godoy and Maria Rosales
Son of Nicolas Carlos de Godoy

Juana Cid Caldera, married to Jose Carlos de Godoy
Daughter Juana Rosales and Pedro Cid Caldera
Daughter of Antonio Carlos Godoy
Son of Juan Carlos Godoy and Maria Rosales
Son of Nicolas Carlos Godoy

Juan Antonio Carlos de Godoy, married to Magdalena de la Torre Valdes
Son of Miguel Carlos de Godoy y Velasco and Antonia de Llanos y Valdés
Son of Ignacio Carlos de Godoy y Velasco and Maria de Miranda
Son of Sebastián Carlos de Godoy and Agustina de Velasco y Renteria
Son of Juan Carlos de Godoy and Maria Rosales
Son of Nicolas Carlos de Godoy

I don't know who Nicolas' wife and parents were. I know there was a Juan
Carlos de Godoy living in Culiacán around 1570.

Hector

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] En nombre de Sylvia
Corona/Rcac
Enviado el: Viernes, 19 de Octubre de 2007 01:21 a.m.
Para: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Petrolona de Moctezuma Line

Hector:
So we connect with the "Carlos de Godoy and Cid Caldera" will like to know
where is your connection and how far do you have information on the first
Carlos de Godoy?

Sylvia H Corona

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