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By Visitor - Posted on 04 February 2007

Hi, Peggy Delgado

I tried getting to you through your e-mail, but couldn't.

I see where you have? birth records from a place in Zacatecas. Where were you able to obtain them? My interest is also in Zacatecas, in San Matias, Pinos, but looks like I have run into a stone wall. Haven't met anyone outhere with the same interest.

Do you have a genealogy on your DELGADOS?

THANKS!!!!!!

jUANITA g. DELGADO

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The best way to get birth records is through the Local Mormon Family History Centers. I have not been able to find value in their index. I have personally done all extractions or had the parish notary do some for me of which I paid him. He is probably deceased, but I am sure someone replaced him. What surnames are you searching?

I have travelled to Pinos and can recomnend a trip from San Luis Potosi as your base city. Well worth your time.

Juanita:

I have been reading your messages to other members where you are looking for information on the Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas. I was just looking at your file folder and it is very difficult to understand. Do you think you could put it into a pedigree, register or some other standardized format so that other members can better understand the relationships between the people listed?

It looks like you have already gotten pretty far back, but only on one lineage. It is sometimes helpful to expand a bit horizontally, as you will find that tracking the wife's family sometimes leads to the husband's family and vice-versa.

The Delgados were definitely in Pinos for more that one generation. I found the following entries in IGI that appears to be the baptism records for a brothers of Bartolome Delgado, born in 1684 and 1687. I imagine that their parents were married sometime around 1680. There is a Salvador Delgado who was married to a Maria de Contreras and having children around the same time which would lead me to believe that both the Contreras and Delgados were in Pinos. It may be worth ordering the film to see if there is any more information that you can gather from these baptism records.

JUAN DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 05 AUG 1687 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONILA DE CHAVEZ
Source Information:
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

JOSEPH FRANCISCO DELGADO CHAVEZ
Christening: 03 DEC 1684 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FRANCISCO DELGADO Family
Mother: PETRONA DE CHAVEZ
Batch No.: J601461 Film No. 1095293

Juanita:

Here are some more records for your ancestors from IGI:

JN. DELGADO MELCALIN
Christening: 12 JUL 1705 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: BARTOLOME DELGADO Family
Mother: FRANCA. JOSEPH DE MELCALIN Y CHAVARRI
Batch No.: C601462 Film No. 1095294

YSAVEL BARVARA DELGADO CHAVARRIA
Christening: 06 MAR 1712 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: BARTHOLOME DELGADO Family
Mother: FRANCA. DE CHAVARRIA
Batch No.: C601462 Film No. 1095294

and many other siblings on the same Batch:

2. YSAVEL BARVARA DELGADO CHAVARRIA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAR 1712 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. MARIA DELGADO CHALARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1702 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. MARINA FRANCA. DELGADO CHAVARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 MAY 1714 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
5. JN. DELGADO MELCALIN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUL 1705 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
6. THORIBIO FRANCO. DELGADO CHAVARRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 MAY 1714 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
7. DOMINGO DELGADO DECHAURRI - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 AUG 1717 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
8. PETRONILA THOMASA DELGADO ECHAVARRIA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 OCT 1719 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico

Francisco Delgado of Pinos, Zacatecas appears in a dispensation in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. He was apparently widowed from Petra de Chavez by 1700:

Pinos, Zacatecas: Junio 1 de 1700. Expediente 99. Informacion Matrimonial - Francisco Delgado, espanol de 50 anos de edad, vecino del Puesto de la Prudencia de esta feligresia vuido de Petra de Chavez con Dona Juana Delgado y Valenzuela de 44 anos de edad orginaria de la Villa de Arjonilla, Obispado de Jaen en los Reinos de Castilla viuda de Don Francisco de Echeverria Merquelin, desde hace mad de diez y seis anos a esta parte, hija legitima del Cap Don Francisco Delgado y Ocampo y de Dona Marina de Valenzuela, espanoles, vecinos de este Real de San Mathias de Pinos de cuatro anoes a esta parte. 9 fojas.

Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Rollo 168358 OAH parte 2, Matrimonios, hojas sueltas 1636-1707, Segunda serie, 1 de junio de 1700.

I would strongly recommend you order this film as it is likely these two individuals were related and that the documents would have extensive genealogical information.

In addition, you should probably order the informacion matrimonial film for Pinos that is likely to have Francisco's first marriage record around 1680:

Información matrimonial 1640-1699 FHL INTL Film 1095797

It looks like you have many leads, but lots of film reading to do. I also suggest you start entering all of this information into PAF or some other genealogy software to keep it (and the sources) well organized. It will also help you branch out to do some horizontal research to look into some of the materanal lines.

P.S. There was a Delgado in Zacatecas as early as the mid 1500s. Juan Delgado was the encomendero of El Teul, Zacatecas and his descendants were large land owners in the region of Tlaltenango and Tepechitlan around 1600.

Juanita (and other new members):

While it is somewhat difficult to understand the standardized genealogy reports at first, it is really worthwhile to try to use them from the onset. The easiest way to do that is to simply download PAF or some other free genealogy software and enter the names, dates, place names AND SOURCES that you have. The software produces any one of the reports Joseph and I have mentioned, i.e. Ahnentafel, register, etc.

Once you start seeing the way the software organizes and reports the information you will start seeing the logic behind them.

The Ahnentafel and Pedigree reports go backward (ancestors of a person with each generation having twice as many people as the previous), while the register format goes forward, showing the descendants of a person, with each generation having less or more (usually) than the previous. If you download the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide, there are examples of all of these types of reports in an Appendix.

Juanita, all of the films that I listed are available through the Family History Library and you can order them at your local Family History Center. While they may be hard to read and in some cases the information may be difficult to locate on the film, it is really the ONLY way to do serious genealogy. Taking information from books is often unreliable and leads to selective "borrowing" of research rather than original research focused on what you are genuinely interested in. Genealogy is not easy work, but if you have the passion and will, you need to just stick to it. It gets easier reading the handwriting and scanning through films as time goes on.

The baptisms should be organized chronologically so they should be easy to find. The informacion matrimonial will likewise be chronological and since you don't have the date, you will have to spend some time scanning the probably year range but it will be well worth it once you find the information. The dispensa matrimonial (Sagrada Mitra) is a bit disorganized but I can send you context information that should make it easier to find the right section of the film.

The way I found all of this information was simply by using the Films section of the Nuestros Ranchos website, which has all of the batch numbers for Pinos, Zacatecas listed. Just click on the IGI button next to any of them and it will give you all of the names on the film, then you can limit the list of names by surname, father's name, etc.

The Sagrada Mitra entry is from Luz Montejano's book which is probably the singular most valuable publication for genealogists focused on our region.

I am glad that I could be of help. I only ask that as your research progresses you share it with others. A sort of gift forward. One crucial step for this is learning to organize the information in a manner that is useful for others.

Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?

Your newest prima,

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:06 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas

Arturo,

Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
I'll never be finished".

I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
do tell a lot.

And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
who
married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
with his ancestry, but found lots on her.

You are so right.

Thanks for listening.

Juanita G. Delgado

Prima, Prima, yes time to tune up the guitarones and for John Robles to
get the band together there is some celebrating to do as another
connection has been made.

Many many many congratulations to you Juanita and Josie for finding each
other. Families that had been lost for 200 years have found each other.

who's making the menudo?

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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Josie T. Trevino wrote:
> Juanita.......you and I connect on the Juan Bautista Sanchez line!!! He is
> my direct ancestor also!!! I will write to you directly so we can compare
> our info since it is in Tamaulipas, ok?
>
> Your newest prima,
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of juanita
> delgado
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:06 PM
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgados of Pinos, Zacatecas
>
> Arturo,
>
> Yes, you are so right about researching horizontally. I think I sort of
> avoided that since I was working on three different lineages, and I thought
> I couldn't afford to spend mroe time on any new people. I thought, "Now,
> I'll never be finished".
>
> I did just a couple of times: I found JUAN JOSEPH DELGADO in the 1780
> census of REVILLA, TAMAULIPAS, who's wife was MARIA MARGARITA SANCHEZ DIAZ.
> When I looked up more on her I found her father was JUAN BAUTISTA SANCHEZ,
> brother of TOMAS SANCHEZ, the founder of LAREDO, MEXICO.Those censuses sure
> do tell a lot.
>
> And I really went back to the ancestry of MARIA JOSEFA GUTIERREZ de LARA,
> who
> married my ggggg grpa, JOSEPH MARIA TAMAYO y LUNA. I ran into a sonewall
> with his ancestry, but found lots on her.
>
> You are so right.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Juanita G. Delgado
>
>
>

I make a mean pot of menudo, Joseph........let me know when you are down in
San Antonio and I will fire up the stove!

Josie

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.NuestrosRanchos.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:31 PM
To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Newest Prima!!!: was- Delgados of Pinos,
Zacatecas

Prima, Prima, yes time to tune up the guitarones and for John Robles to get
the band together there is some celebrating to do as another connection has
been made.

Many many many congratulations to you Juanita and Josie for finding each
other. Families that had been lost for 200 years have found each other.

who's making the menudo?

joseph

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