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By makas_nc - Posted on 06 January 2007

this is the last notice. right now we have about 200 subscribed members
and about 150 submitted genealogies. On 01 Feb 2007 we'll probably be
losing about 50 members.

Esta es la ultima noticia. Horita tenemos 200 miembros y 150 han mandado
arboles genealogicos. En 01 Feb 2007 puede ser que vamos pierder 50
miembros.

Please take 30 minutes and write up two paragraphs:

Por Favor tome 30 minutos para llenar dos paraffos

1) in paragraph one include the names, dates, and locations of your
grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply)

1) en paraffo uno incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus Abuelos (si aplica)

2) in paragraph two inlcude the names, dates, and locations of your
great grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply and you have
this information)

2) en paraffo dos incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus bis-Abuelos (si aplica y
tienes la informacion)

if you are just starting your genealogy research and don't know any of
the above information then send me a short account of your family's Oral
History that gives you the understanding that Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes is the location for researching your roots.

si nomas estas comiensiendo su investigacion genealogica y no tienes la
informacion arriba mandame un poco de las Historias Orales de su familia
que indica que su familia es de Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes

Please don't let 01 Feb 2007 come without sending in the above
information or communicating with me to ask for an extention past the 31
Jan 2007 deadline. My email address is: NR@JosephPuentes.com

por favor no deja que 01 Feb 2007 venga sin mandandome la informacion
arriba o estar en communicacion con migo para pedir un extension despues
de 31 Enero 2007. Aqui es mi direccion electronico: NR@JosephPuentes.com

This is the last email you will receive from me on this subject. If you
haven't submitted your genealogy yet this applies to you. If you have or
have a special circumstances don't worry about it. If for some reason
your get unsubscribed it will be very easy to return to the group. You
will need to go to NuestrosRanchos.com and apply for a new account. Once
you have submitted your "representative" tree then I'll activate your
account. It is much less work for me if you submit your genealogy before
31 Jan 2007.

Este va ser el ultima correo de mi de este sujeto. Si no has mandado su
arbol representante este mensaje es para ti. Si ya lo mandaste o si
tienes circunstancias especiales no te preocupas de este mensaje no es
para ti. Si haya que despues de 01 Feb 2007 estas cortado del grupo es
facil para volver. Nomas vaya a NuestrosRanchos.com y abonese para una
nueva cuenta. Despues que me mandas su arbol genealogico activare su
cuenta. El trabajo sera menos para mi si lo mandas antes de 31 Enero 2007

Joseph Puentes - Mediador Original/Originating Moderator
NR@JosephPuentes.com

Hi Joseph,
I am just going down the direct line Starting with my Husband: Arthur F.
Zaragoza Born May 22, 1938, Married Dorothy I Hightower Dec. 1, 1962, Arthur
Died July 25, 2005. We have 7 children. Arthur's Mother and Father are
Manuel Zaragoza Born Jan 1, 1910. Married Petra Lopez who was born Apr 14
1905 and their Marriage date was Sept 15, 1930. Manuel is still living in
LA CA. Petra died Nov 4 1962. They have 4 other children. Petra's Parents
Were, Father - Biviano Lopez, Born Dec 22 1870 in Vila Hidalgo, Jalisco,
Mexico. He married Crispina Martinez, who was born March 6 1877 in Rancho
Lo de Carrera, Zacatecas, and married abt. 1897. Biviano Died Sept. 18,
1943 in Oakland California. Crispina died May 20, 1950 in Oakland, Alameda,
CA. They had 8 children. The first one was a still born.
Crispina Martinez Lopez was the only child born to Susano Martinez, born in
early 1800's in Mexico. Married to Romula Lopez, Born about 1857. Their
Marriage date was Feb. 19, 1878 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. Romula
died abt. 1879. Susano had 5 other wives. Susano Martinez died abt 1892.
Susano's Parents, I believe but have not proven, were Domingo Martinez and
Marcelina Lopez.
I wish I had more on this line. Hopefully I can tie into someone else's
line that can help me.
I haven't shared much of my genealogy with anyone but family so I hope I
have given you what you need.
Thanks for all the work you do,
Dorothy Zaragoza

Hello Joseph,
Here is my maternal family history per the group's request:
1)

My grandparents:
Petra Zuniga Luna:
B: May 23, 1902, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico, D: Sept. 14, 1991, Los Angeles, California
Lorenzo Cisneros Gutierrez:
B: Aug. 10, 1895, Sierra Mojada, Coahuila Mexico, D: Sept. 22, 1975
Marriage date: July 22, 1919, Los Angeles, California
2) My great grandparents:

Francisco Duenas Luna

B: Oct. 4, 1881 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico,

D :Feb. 8, 1958 in Imperial Valley, Calif.

Mercedes Gutierrez Zuniga:
B: Sept. 24, 1878 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco,
Mexico

D: May 22,1966, Imperial Valley, Calif.

3) Both sets of great great grandparents:

Felix Alvarez Zuniga
& Victoria Gonzales Gutierrez

Married
June 2, 1875 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Esteban Diosdado Luna & Maria Del Refugio Duenas

Married
Feb. 11, 1863 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

4) Both sets of great great great grandparents:

Jose Eligio Luna B: 1809 Agua Caliente, Chihuahua, Mexico

Maria Guadalupe De Jesus Diosdado B: 1817 Ayo El Chico

Married June 15, 1836, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Jose Casimiro Duenas B: 1809 Ayo El Chico & Maria Gertrudis Rodriguez B:?

Married February 11, 1834, Atotonilco el Alto Jalisco,Mexico

Francisco
Bernardo Zuniga & Luisa Sanchez Alvarez

Married Feb. 8, 1834 in Ayo El Chico,
Jalisco Mexico

Pioquinto Gutierrez & Maria
Carmen Gonzales

Married Jan. 7, 1844 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico

5) Great great great great grandparents

Jose Antonio Luna & Josefa
Navarro

Marriage date 1818?
Jose Justo De
Diosdado & Maria Rosalia de Jesus Camargo Ramires
Married May 11, 1812, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Jose de los
Santos Duenas & Maria Antonia Abad de Jesus Damiana Olmos

Married Feb, 13, 1784 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico

Jose Anastascio Bernardo Zuniga & Gertrudis Quintero
Avino

Married
June 14, 1802 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Jose Alvarez
& Maria Josefa Sanchez

Married June 11, 1793, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Santos Gutierrez
& Clara Mendes marriage date unknown

Marsalino
Gonzales & Dolores Riso

Married Jan. 24, 1816 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

5) Great great great great great grandparents

Rosalino Camargo & Manuela
Ramires (Marriage date unknown)

Vicente Zuniga & Luissa Rosalia
Volon

B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown

Faustino Abina & Maria Rita Quintero

B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown

Eugenio Alvarez & Maria Salome Alvarado

Married Nov. 30, 1769, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Juan de San PedroSanchez & Petrona
De Jesus Gonzalez

Married May 4, 1767 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico

Francisco Xabier
Riso & Maria De La Luz Castillo

B:?, D:, - Married June 1790 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco,
Mexico

6) Great great great great great great grandparents

Tomas
Gonzales & Gertrudis Theodora Guerrero

Married Feb. 19, 1727 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico

Miguel Sanches
& Brigida De La Cruz

B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown

Manuel Alvarez
& Josepha Del Alcala

B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown

7) Great great great great great great greaet grandparents

Manuel Gonzalez
& Lorensa De Ayala Lopes Married Jan. 8,
1702

Birth and Death dates not yet known.

8) Great great great great great great great great grandparents!

Nicolas Lopez & Petrona de
Ayala Alvarado

Marriage year listed as 1688 in Ayo
El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico

Ramon Gonzales
& Maria Catharina Hernandes

Marriage date unknown (1680’s)

9) Great great great great great great great great great grandparents!!

Lasaro de
Ayala & Margarita de Alvarado Marriage date unknown

(1650’s)

*I have entered most of this into Ancestry's Online Family Tree. The last time I did some research in the Jalisco area was recently when I tried some of my improved research skills and found that my great great great grandfather Jose Eligio Luna was actually born in Agua Caliente, Chihuahua Mexico! What a surprise! As this was my first genealogy venture started 9 years ago, I am reviewing and updating my genealogy information.
I hope this wasn't hard to read as I tried to make it easy on the eyes. If you want me to provide a different format, or attach this in a word document, please let me know.
Yolanda

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: Joseph Puentes ; research@NuestrosRanchos.com
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 1:02:27 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 31 Jan 2007/ 31 Enero 2007

this is the last notice. right now we have about 200 subscribed members
and about 150 submitted genealogies. On 01 Feb 2007 we'll probably be
losing about 50 members.

Esta es la ultima noticia. Horita tenemos 200 miembros y 150 han mandado
arboles genealogicos. En 01 Feb 2007 puede ser que vamos pierder 50
miembros.

Please take 30 minutes and write up two paragraphs:

Por Favor tome 30 minutos para llenar dos paraffos

1) in paragraph one include the names, dates, and locations of your
grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply)

1) en paraffo uno incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus Abuelos (si aplica)

2) in paragraph two inlcude the names, dates, and locations of your
great grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply and you have
this information)

2) en paraffo dos incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus bis-Abuelos (si aplica y
tienes la informacion)

if you are just starting your genealogy research and don't know any of
the above information then send me a short account of your family's Oral
History that gives you the understanding that Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes is the location for researching your roots.

si nomas estas comiensiendo su investigacion genealogica y no tienes la
informacion arriba mandame un poco de las Historias Orales de su familia
que indica que su familia es de Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes

Please don't let 01 Feb 2007 come without sending in the above
information or communicating with me to ask for an extention past the 31
Jan 2007 deadline. My email address is: NR@JosephPuentes.com

por favor no deja que 01 Feb 2007 venga sin mandandome la informacion
arriba o estar en communicacion con migo para pedir un extension despues
de 31 Enero 2007. Aqui es mi direccion electronico: NR@JosephPuentes.com

This is the last email you will receive from me on this subject. If you
haven't submitted your genealogy yet this applies to you. If you have or
have a special circumstances don't worry about it. If for some reason
your get unsubscribed it will be very easy to return to the group. You
will need to go to NuestrosRanchos.com and apply for a new account. Once
you have submitted your "representative" tree then I'll activate your
account. It is much less work for me if you submit your genealogy before
31 Jan 2007.

Este va ser el ultima correo de mi de este sujeto. Si no has mandado su
arbol representante este mensaje es para ti. Si ya lo mandaste o si
tienes circunstancias especiales no te preocupas de este mensaje no es
para ti. Si haya que despues de 01 Feb 2007 estas cortado del grupo es
facil para volver. Nomas vaya a NuestrosRanchos.com y abonese para una
nueva cuenta. Despues que me mandas su arbol genealogico activare su
cuenta. El trabajo sera menos para mi si lo mandas antes de 31 Enero 2007

Joseph Puentes - Mediador Original/Originating Moderator
NR@JosephPuentes.com

that looks great Yolanda. I'm wondering if you typed in all the
following information or if you did it off of a genealogy software? If
you did it off of genealogy software can you send me a .rtf or .doc file
showing the same info. If not then I'll just take this info and put it
in a Word file and put it into your folder when it's ready.

thanks again and you'll never need to submitt anything again but
voluntarily you'll be welcome to submit at will.

thanks,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Yolanda Ochoa wrote:
> Hello Joseph,
> Here is my maternal family history per the group's request:
> 1)
>
> My grandparents:
> Petra Zuniga Luna:
> B: May 23, 1902, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico, D: Sept. 14, 1991, Los Angeles, California
> Lorenzo Cisneros Gutierrez:
> B: Aug. 10, 1895, Sierra Mojada, Coahuila Mexico, D: Sept. 22, 1975
> Marriage date: July 22, 1919, Los Angeles, California
> 2) My great grandparents:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Francisco Duenas Luna
>
> B: Oct. 4, 1881 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico,
>
> D :Feb. 8, 1958 in Imperial Valley, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> Mercedes Gutierrez Zuniga:
> B: Sept. 24, 1878 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco,
> Mexico
>
>
> D: May 22,1966, Imperial Valley, Calif.
>
> 3) Both sets of great great grandparents:
>
>
> Felix Alvarez Zuniga
> & Victoria Gonzales Gutierrez
>
>
> Married
> June 2, 1875 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Esteban Diosdado Luna & Maria Del Refugio Duenas
>
>
> Married
> Feb. 11, 1863 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
> 4) Both sets of great great great grandparents:
>
>
> Jose Eligio Luna B: 1809 Agua Caliente, Chihuahua, Mexico
>
> Maria Guadalupe De Jesus Diosdado B: 1817 Ayo El Chico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married June 15, 1836, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Casimiro Duenas B: 1809 Ayo El Chico & Maria Gertrudis Rodriguez B:?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married February 11, 1834, Atotonilco el Alto Jalisco,Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
> Francisco
> Bernardo Zuniga & Luisa Sanchez Alvarez
>
>
>
>
> Married Feb. 8, 1834 in Ayo El Chico,
> Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
> Pioquinto Gutierrez & Maria
> Carmen Gonzales
>
>
>
>
> Married Jan. 7, 1844 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
> 5) Great great great great grandparents
>
>
>
>
> Jose Antonio Luna & Josefa
> Navarro
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marriage date 1818?
> Jose Justo De
> Diosdado & Maria Rosalia de Jesus Camargo Ramires
> Married May 11, 1812, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
> Jose de los
> Santos Duenas & Maria Antonia Abad de Jesus Damiana Olmos
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married Feb, 13, 1784 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Anastascio Bernardo Zuniga & Gertrudis Quintero
> Avino
>
>
>
> Married
> June 14, 1802 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Alvarez
> & Maria Josefa Sanchez
>
>
>
>
>
> Married June 11, 1793, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Santos Gutierrez
> & Clara Mendes marriage date unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsalino
> Gonzales & Dolores Riso
>
>
>
> Married Jan. 24, 1816 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
> 5) Great great great great great grandparents
>
>
>
>
> Rosalino Camargo & Manuela
> Ramires (Marriage date unknown)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vicente Zuniga & Luissa Rosalia
> Volon
>
>
>
> B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Faustino Abina & Maria Rita Quintero
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eugenio Alvarez & Maria Salome Alvarado
>
>
> Married Nov. 30, 1769, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Juan de San PedroSanchez & Petrona
> De Jesus Gonzalez
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married May 4, 1767 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Francisco Xabier
> Riso & Maria De La Luz Castillo
>
>
>
> B:?, D:, - Married June 1790 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco,
> Mexico
>
>
> 6) Great great great great great great grandparents
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tomas
> Gonzales & Gertrudis Theodora Guerrero
>
>
>
> Married Feb. 19, 1727 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
> Miguel Sanches
> & Brigida De La Cruz
>
>
>
>
> B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Manuel Alvarez
> & Josepha Del Alcala
>
>
>
> B:, D:, Marriage dates unknown
>
>
>
> 7) Great great great great great great greaet grandparents
>
>
>
>
> Manuel Gonzalez
> & Lorensa De Ayala Lopes Married Jan. 8,
> 1702
>
>
> Birth and Death dates not yet known.
>
> 8) Great great great great great great great great grandparents!
>
>
>
>
> Nicolas Lopez & Petrona de
> Ayala Alvarado
>
>
> Marriage year listed as 1688 in Ayo
> El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ramon Gonzales
> & Maria Catharina Hernandes
>
>
> Marriage date unknown (1680’s)
>
>
>
> 9) Great great great great great great great great great grandparents!!
>
>
> Lasaro de
> Ayala & Margarita de Alvarado Marriage date unknown
>
>
> (1650’s)
>
>
>
> *I have entered most of this into Ancestry's Online Family Tree. The last time I did some research in the Jalisco area was recently when I tried some of my improved research skills and found that my great great great grandfather Jose Eligio Luna was actually born in Agua Caliente, Chihuahua Mexico! What a surprise! As this was my first genealogy venture started 9 years ago, I am reviewing and updating my genealogy information.
> I hope this wasn't hard to read as I tried to make it easy on the eyes. If you want me to provide a different format, or attach this in a word document, please let me know.
> Yolanda
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: Joseph Puentes ; research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2007 1:02:27 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 31 Jan 2007/ 31 Enero 2007
>
>
> this is the last notice. right now we have about 200 subscribed members
> and about 150 submitted genealogies. On 01 Feb 2007 we'll probably be
> losing about 50 members.
>
> Esta es la ultima noticia. Horita tenemos 200 miembros y 150 han mandado
> arboles genealogicos. En 01 Feb 2007 puede ser que vamos pierder 50
> miembros.
>
> Please take 30 minutes and write up two paragraphs:
>
> Por Favor tome 30 minutos para llenar dos paraffos
>
> 1) in paragraph one include the names, dates, and locations of your
> grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply)
>
> 1) en paraffo uno incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
> nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus Abuelos (si aplica)
>
> 2) in paragraph two inlcude the names, dates, and locations of your
> great grandparents birth, marriage and death (if all apply and you have
> this information)
>
> 2) en paraffo dos incluye los nombres, fechas, y locaciones de los
> nacimiento, matrimonio, y fallacimiento de sus bis-Abuelos (si aplica y
> tienes la informacion)
>
> if you are just starting your genealogy research and don't know any of
> the above information then send me a short account of your family's Oral
> History that gives you the understanding that Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
> Aguascalientes is the location for researching your roots.
>
> si nomas estas comiensiendo su investigacion genealogica y no tienes la
> informacion arriba mandame un poco de las Historias Orales de su familia
> que indica que su familia es de Jalisco, Zacatecas, y/o de Aguascalientes
>
> Please don't let 01 Feb 2007 come without sending in the above
> information or communicating with me to ask for an extention past the 31
> Jan 2007 deadline. My email address is: NR@JosephPuentes.com
>
> por favor no deja que 01 Feb 2007 venga sin mandandome la informacion
> arriba o estar en communicacion con migo para pedir un extension despues
> de 31 Enero 2007. Aqui es mi direccion electronico: NR@JosephPuentes.com
>
> This is the last email you will receive from me on this subject. If you
> haven't submitted your genealogy yet this applies to you. If you have or
> have a special circumstances don't worry about it. If for some reason
> your get unsubscribed it will be very easy to return to the group. You
> will need to go to NuestrosRanchos.com and apply for a new account. Once
> you have submitted your "representative" tree then I'll activate your
> account. It is much less work for me if you submit your genealogy before
> 31 Jan 2007.
>
> Este va ser el ultima correo de mi de este sujeto. Si no has mandado su
> arbol representante este mensaje es para ti. Si ya lo mandaste o si
> tienes circunstancias especiales no te preocupas de este mensaje no es
> para ti. Si haya que despues de 01 Feb 2007 estas cortado del grupo es
> facil para volver. Nomas vaya a NuestrosRanchos.com y abonese para una
> nueva cuenta. Despues que me mandas su arbol genealogico activare su
> cuenta. El trabajo sera menos para mi si lo mandas antes de 31 Enero 2007
>
> Joseph Puentes - Mediador Original/Originating Moderator
> NR@JosephPuentes.com
>
>
>

thanks Dorothy. This certainly satisfies the requirement for being a
member of the group. Consider yourself a life time member and if not now
hopefully sometime soon someone will connect to your genealogy. We'll
patiently wait and see what developes

A couple of things though. The message archives are public. I think it
would be best not to submit genealogies onto the message lists (this is
not a rule just a suggestion). I am trying to keep the genealogies in
the private area of the group either the gedcom area or the "files" area
both for privacy and security sake. Sometimes mothers maiden names are
one of the names used for financial information security questions. So I
think it is best not to include living individuals both for security and
privacy sake.

let me know if you want this message to stay put or if you want me to
remove it from the message archives.

thanks,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

dorothy wrote:
> Hi Joseph,
> I am just going down the direct line Starting with my Husband: Arthur F.
> Zaragoza Born May 22, 1938, Married Dorothy I Hightower Dec. 1, 1962, Arthur
> Died July 25, 2005. We have 7 children. Arthur's Mother and Father are
> Manuel Zaragoza Born Jan 1, 1910. Married Petra Lopez who was born Apr 14
> 1905 and their Marriage date was Sept 15, 1930. Manuel is still living in
> LA CA. Petra died Nov 4 1962. They have 4 other children. Petra's Parents
> Were, Father - Biviano Lopez, Born Dec 22 1870 in Vila Hidalgo, Jalisco,
> Mexico. He married Crispina Martinez, who was born March 6 1877 in Rancho
> Lo de Carrera, Zacatecas, and married abt. 1897. Biviano Died Sept. 18,
> 1943 in Oakland California. Crispina died May 20, 1950 in Oakland, Alameda,
> CA. They had 8 children. The first one was a still born.
> Crispina Martinez Lopez was the only child born to Susano Martinez, born in
> early 1800's in Mexico. Married to Romula Lopez, Born about 1857. Their
> Marriage date was Feb. 19, 1878 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. Romula
> died abt. 1879. Susano had 5 other wives. Susano Martinez died abt 1892.
> Susano's Parents, I believe but have not proven, were Domingo Martinez and
> Marcelina Lopez.
> I wish I had more on this line. Hopefully I can tie into someone else's
> line that can help me.
> I haven't shared much of my genealogy with anyone but family so I hope I
> have given you what you need.
> Thanks for all the work you do,
> Dorothy Zaragoza
>

Dear Yolanda--

I just read your information and found it very
exciting. My husband and I returned from almost 3
weeks vacation in Jalisco, Mexico on Thursday. We
spent 2 days in Guadalajara before going out to the
countryside.

Most of my research for my husband who is a GODINEZ
Garcia has been in the ranchos of Atotonilco el Alto,
which is the municipio right next to the Municipio of
Ayotlan. In the past, it was called Ayo el Chico.
The majority of the time we spent renovating the
family home which is located in Santa Rita, Ayotlan,
Jalisco. While at the Guadalajara airport, I bought a
map of Jalisco and to my dismay found it did not show
Santa Rita, a small town of about 5,000 people. It
did show other nearby places and some of those are
even smaller than Santa Rita.

I have one Casimiro DUENAS for whom I am looking. He
is listed as the father of Jose Refugio DUENAS. He
was not married to the mother of Jose Refugio. She
was listed as Rafaela LUQUE. The information on the
parents of this illigitimate child comes from the
marriage record of Jose Refugio DUENAS and his wife,
Bernardina del Refugio CHOLICO. They wed in
Atotonilco el Alto on 26 April 1882. Most of the
time, it seems that she used the name of Refugio
CHOLICO and her birthdate was 20 May 1862 in
Salitrillo, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.
Other inportant family names on the tree of Bernardina
del Refugio are SEPULVEDA and MONTANO.

I have been looking for Calixta DUENAS born about 1857
in Valle, , Jalisco for almost 30 years. She was the
daughter of Anastacio DUENAS and Vicenta LOMELIN.
Except for Calixta's marriage to Fermin GUTIERREZ on
10 Feb 1876 in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, I have not
been able to go any further back, only forward.
Apparently she was an orphan and I have not been able
to find birth, marriage, nor death information on her
parents.

If you have any further information on DUENAS lines in
the Ayo el Chico or Atotonilco el Alto areas, I would
like to hear about it.

I work at a Family History Center each week and I will
take your names along for those of the Ayo el Chico
area. I have a number of films on indefinte loan and
some cover the earlier years. I also have the 1930
Census of Ayo el Chico, which is a very good starting
point for researching. I will see if I can add
anything to what you have listed which seems to be
excellent.

I wish you well and hope to hear from you soon.

Patricia Diane Godinez AKA Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

PS The GUTIERREZ names I have researched are from
Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

--- Yolanda Ochoa wrote:

> Hello Joseph,
> Here is my maternal family history per the group's
> request:
> 1)
>
> My grandparents:
> Petra Zuniga Luna:
> B: May 23, 1902, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico, D:
> Sept. 14, 1991, Los Angeles, California
> Lorenzo Cisneros Gutierrez:
> B: Aug. 10, 1895, Sierra Mojada, Coahuila Mexico, D:
> Sept. 22, 1975
> Marriage date: July 22, 1919, Los Angeles,
> California
> 2) My great grandparents:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Francisco Duenas Luna
>
> B: Oct. 4, 1881 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico,
>
> D :Feb. 8, 1958 in Imperial Valley, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> Mercedes Gutierrez Zuniga:
> B: Sept. 24, 1878 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco,
> Mexico
>
>
> D: May 22,1966, Imperial Valley, Calif.
>
> 3) Both sets of great great grandparents:
>
>
> Felix Alvarez Zuniga
> & Victoria Gonzales Gutierrez
>
>
> Married
> June 2, 1875 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Esteban Diosdado Luna & Maria Del Refugio Duenas
>
>
> Married
> Feb. 11, 1863 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
> 4) Both sets of great great great grandparents:
>
>
> Jose Eligio Luna B: 1809 Agua Caliente, Chihuahua,
> Mexico
>
> Maria Guadalupe De Jesus Diosdado B: 1817 Ayo El
> Chico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married June 15, 1836, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Casimiro Duenas B: 1809 Ayo El Chico & Maria
> Gertrudis Rodriguez B:?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married February 11, 1834, Atotonilco el Alto
> Jalisco,Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
> Francisco
> Bernardo Zuniga & Luisa Sanchez Alvarez
>
>
>
>
> Married Feb. 8, 1834 in Ayo El Chico,
> Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
> Pioquinto Gutierrez & Maria
> Carmen Gonzales
>
>
>
>
> Married Jan. 7, 1844 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
> 5) Great great great great grandparents
>
>
>
>
> Jose Antonio Luna & Josefa
> Navarro
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marriage date 1818?
> Jose Justo De
> Diosdado & Maria Rosalia de Jesus Camargo Ramires
> Married May 11, 1812, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
> Jose de los
> Santos Duenas & Maria Antonia Abad de Jesus Damiana
> Olmos
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Married Feb, 13, 1784 Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Anastascio Bernardo Zuniga & Gertrudis Quintero
> Avino
>
>
>
> Married
> June 14, 1802 in Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jose Alvarez
> & Maria Josefa Sanchez
>
>
>
>
>
> Married June 11, 1793, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Santos Gutierrez
> & Clara Mendes marriage date unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
=== message truncated ===

Victor M Gomez
Preguntarle si tiene alguna información adicional de los ancestros de la familia Camargo, ya que Rosalia Camargo que caso con Justo Diosdado era hermana de una ancestra.
Agradesco mucho sus comentarios.

Victor Gomez

HOLA

TENDRA ALGUNA INFORMACION ADICIONAL SOBRE LOS ANCESTROS DE LASARO DE AYALA Y MARGARITA DE ALBARADO, YA QUE TAMBIEN LOS TENGO EN MI ARBOL, PERO NO HE ENCONTRADO MAS INFORMACION SOBRE ELLOS, MUCHAS GRACIAS

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