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By mendezdetorres - Posted on 24 December 2006

Does anyone know there surrounding parishes near Cotija. It appears there isnt any church records of Cotija for my grandmother in 1815. Please Help. Thanks.

Despues de meses de armar el rompecabezas de la familia Valencia de Cotija... (Por medio de decenas de dispensas matrimoniales que encontre en el archivo del viejo Obispado de Michoacan) He descubierto que los padres de Nicolas de Valencia fueron:

Melchor de Valencia Pina (El Viejo) cc Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco.

Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco (Originaria de Tangancicuaro, Michoacan) fue hija de Alvaro Maciel y Isabel Orozco del Castillo. Sabemos esto gracias a esta dispensa que solicito Melchor para casarse por segunda vez (Su primera esposa fue Juana de la Pena y Orozco):

Dispensa para el matrimonio entre Melchor de Valencia Pina y Magdalena de Liebana y Orozco

Tambien tengo la partida de bautizmo de Nicolas:

Julio 13, 1665 - Chilchota, Michoacan

Hasta ahorita no he encontrado quienes fueron los padres de Melchor. Ni he encontrado datos sobre su origen. Solo se que nacio por el ano de 1616 y sabemos que se caso, por primera vez, con Juana de la Pena y Orozco con quien tuvo varios hijos. Los hijos de Melchor y Juana fueron los Valencia que poblaron Chilchota, Tlazazalca, etc. Los hijos que Melchor tuvo con Magdalena poblaron Cotija, Tamazula, Sayula, Teocuitatlan, etc.

Melchor de Valencia Pina tuvo un hermano que se llamo Francisco de Valencia Pina, solo sabemos de su existencia por medio de la informacion matrimonial de Nicolas de Munguia y Ana de Liebana, en donde el fue unos de los testigo. No se sabe si tuvo descendencia.

Informacion Matrimonial de Nicolas de Munguia y Ana de Liebana

La pregunta que queda ahora es de donde son originarios los Valencia Pina? Mi sospecha es que Melchor de Valencia Pina fue el progenitor de los Valencia de Michoacan y Jalisco. He buscado por todos lados pistas sobre el apellido de Valencia Pina, y nada. Hay una pista en la informacion matrimonial de Nicolas de Munguia y Ana de Liebana en donde Melchor es testigo, y dijo en su testimonio que conoce a Nicolas de Munguia desde que nacio hace como 20 anos. Esto nos dice que Melchor estaba viviendo en Tangancicuaro, Michoacan desde, por lo menos, 1640. Antes de 1640 no se sabe en donde estuvo Melchor o Francisco su hermano. Quizas Melchor y Francisco fueron los que se brincaron "el charco" del oceano Atlantico para empezar una nueva vida en la Nueva Espana?

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hola Daniel,

Aqui la IM de Gertrudis de Amesqua y Mateo Rebolledo, 2 Feb 1659. Gertrudis de Amesqua es hija de Gaspar de Amesqua y de Catalina de Piña y Valencia.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KG9K-6Q?i=86&wc=3NTX-166&cc=1883388

Parece que hay impedimento por una relacion que tuvo Mateo Rebolledo con Monica de Valencia, prima hermana de Gertrudis Amesqua. La Monica de Valencia es hija de Francisco de Valencia y de Magdalena de Tzipaqua (India); Francisco de Valencia es hermano de Catalina de Piña y Valencia. Salen Francisco de Valencia y Melchor de Valencia de testigos, no se dan sus edades.

Gracias y saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Muchisimas gracias Manny!

As always you come through in spades! I hadn't yet run across that informacion matrimonial. Catalina is indeed another sibling of Francisco and Melchor. (I had heard of Catalina through another dispensa for a great-grandchild. It's nice to know that it was correct. :-) )

I also found out that there's another sibling, Juan de Valencia Pina. Melchor, Juan, Catalina, and Francisco appear to be from the same generation, i.e. early 1600s.

I hope to someday find some documents for at least one of these folks where it says where they're from and/or their parents. It seems that the marriages for Espanoles from Tangancicuaro have pretty good coverage in the Morelia archives, so there's hope!

Thanks Again!

Daniel Serna Valencia

Daniel, Manny, primos

Although the roots of these lastnames are not located in Nueva Galicia but in Michoacán, they originated through the years many lineages Novo galaicos.

I´m descendant of one of the witnesses of the dispensa of Melchor de Valencia Piña "El Viejo" and therefore have gathered some information related to the referred lastnames.

In the mentioned dispensa Melchor is willing to marry Magdalena de Liébana, daughter of Álvaro Maciel Blancharte and Isabel de Orozco del Castillo Liébana; well I´m descendat of a sister of this Magdalena whose name was Gerónima de Liébana baptized in Tangancícuaro in 1621, married to Juan Asencio de León in 1637 , this Juan Asencio was one of the witnesses of Melchor de Valencia in 1663 when Juan declared to be more than 60 years old.

In the dispensa the witnesses declare that the "pretensa" was the daughter of Isabel de Orozco and that this Isabel de Orozco was "Prima hermana" of the deceased first wife of Melchor named Juana de la Peña, this relationship was as a result of Juana and Isabel being daughters of two sisters whose names are not mentioned.

The information contained in the dispensa corroborates some notes that I had concerning these families: I had that the mother of Isabel de Orozco del Castillo Liébana married to Álvaro Maciel, was also named Isabel del Castillo Orozco Liébana (I´ll call her "La Vieja") who was born around 1585 and married around the year 1605 to Juan de Zamora , they were the parents of Isabel ("La Moza" born around 1600), Juana (bap 10-jul-1606, in Zamora)and Francisca (bap 5-may-1621, in Chilchota)

In my notes I have that Isabel (La Vieja) had at least two siblings : María de Orozco del Castillo Liébana (born around 1595) married on 24th-apr-1617, in Zamora, to Pedro de Peñas Lupiana, who was Corregidor de Tlazazalca, they were the parents of Juana de la Peña Orozco (the above mentioned first wife of Melchor de Valencia);

The other sibling of María de Orozco and Isabel (La Vieja)was Francisco Tello de Orozco Álvarez del Castillo, born around 1580 and married ca 1605 Mariana de Carvajal Padilla , they baptized their son Gerónimo on 26th-aug-1607.

The parents of these three siblings were Gerónimo de Orozco Liébana and Isabel de Castañeda, married ca1580 and they were "Padrinos" of their grandaughter Juana de Zamora Orozco del Castillo Liébana on 10th-jul-1606, I also found them as "vecinos de Zamora" on 1613. The mentioned Juana de Zamora orozco del Castillo Liébana was daughter of Isabel Orozco del Castillo Liébana (La Vieja) and Juan de Zamora, and therefore Juana was sister of Isabel Orozco del Castillo Liébana (La moza) who married Álvaro Maciel Blancharte around 1620.

Thank you Carlos for the information! This is another treasure trove of info that I can add to my notes. Slowly but surely, the pieces to how these families were related are falling into place!

Thank You Primo!

Daniel Serna Valencia

Another piece of the puzzle to the Valencia family tree... In the Informacion Matrimonial de Melchor de los Reyes y Catalina de Ontiveros, Tangancicuaro - 10 de Julio 1670 one of the witnesses, Francisco de Valencia Pina, anciano del pueblo de Tangantziquaro, de edad de mas de cinquenta anos, gave testimony that his parents were none other than:

Melchor de Valencia Pina cc Catalina de Barba Coronado Maldonado

The IM also further clarifies some of the Valencia family relationships. The IM doesn't state where Melchor and Catalina were from, but, at least we are taken back one more generation. (BTW, the Melchor de Valencia Pina called out above is not to be confused with the Melchor Valencia Pina (II) who married twice (1st to Juana de la Pena, 2nd Magdalena de Maciel Orozco) nor Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) wed to Isabel Morfin.)

All told, here's what the Valencia Pina y Barba Coronado family looks like:

    Parents: Melchor de Valencia Pina(I) cc Catalina Barba de Coronado Maldonado
    Children:
  • Ana de Pina cc Andres de Betancur
  • Catalina de Pina cc Gaspar de Amezcua
  • Francisco de Valencia Pina had some relationship with Magdalena Tzipaqua y Cuzma, no kids that I've found
  • Melchor de Valencia Pina cc Juana de la Pena, 2nd marriage with Magdalena Maciel Orozco
  • Juan de Valencia Pina cc ? (He appears to have had at least one son, Juan de Valencia cc Maria de Liebana)


  • Daniel Serna Valencia

    Dear Daniel,

    You have Melchor de Valencia Pina (II) married twice, first to Juana De la Peña, and second to Magdalena Maciel Orozco.

    But Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) that is married to Isabel Morfin has his parents as Melchor De Valencia (II) and “Juana Orosco”. So Juana De la Peña was also known as “Juana Orosco” taking the The Orosco surname from her mothers side.

    Melchor De Valencia Pina
    Spouse's Name Ysavel Morfin
    Event Date 05 Feb 1664
    Event Place Chilchota,Michoacan,Mexico
    Father's Name Melchor De Valencia
    Mother's Name Juana De Orosco
    Spouse's Father's Name Antonio Rs. Morfin
    Spouse's Mother's Name Ana De Lubana (Luebana)
    Citing this Record
    "México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFR-WBL : 10 February 2018), Melchor De Valencia in entry for Melchor De Valencia Pina and Ysavel Morfin, 05 Feb 1664; citing Chilchota,Michoacan,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 640,983

    I am still looking for the parents of , Nicolas Valencia and Josepha Martinez who were most likely born in the late 1600’s as I have their son marrying in 1736.

    Thanks,
    Rick A. Ricci

    Hi Rick,

    Correct on both counts. Juana de la Pena was also known as Juana de Orozco, daughter of Pedro de Penas(de la Pena) and Maria de Orozco. Melchor de Valencia Pina (III) is indeed the son of Melchor de Valencia Pina (II) and Juana de la Pena/Orozco.

    Unfortunately, I don't yet have a concrete lead to share on Nicolas de Valencia and Josefa Martinez. I have a tiny lead on a Nicolas de Valencia (His parents were not listed, but, it does say that he was an Espanol from Tangancicuaro, Michoacan) that married a Josefa Nunez in Zamora in 1674. They had a son named Nicolas de Valencia Nunez, however, I have to yet to find if this Nicolas de Valencia Nunez ended up in Ocotlan nor have I found if he married a Josefa Martinez.

    I can tell you that there are other Nicolas de Valencias in Michoacan in the late 1600s. The others that I have found do not appear to have lived in Ocotlan nor did they father a son named Lorenzo that went on to marry in Ocotlan in 1736. I'll keep looking and will let you know if I find something.

    Daniel Serna Valencia

    As a follow up to this thread, does anyone know where I can get these books?

    I seem to have come to a dead end on my Barbosa line, as they were from Cotija, then moved to Tamazula in the 1790's / early 1800s... also one of my ancestors from there was named Guizar, which seems to be a common name in Cotija.

    Any help is appreciated...

    The books are:

    1.-Cotija, Un pueblo y una época. Leonel Tinajero Villaseñor, B. Costa Amic, Editor, México, 1971.
    2.-Cotija, Cuna de Trotamundos, primera parte. José Romero Vargas, México, 1973.
    3.-Cotija durante las revoluciones 1900-1926, segunda parte. José Romero Vargas, B. Costa Amic, editor, México, 1978.

    I can only seem to find first editions online which are very expensive

    Cheers

    Does anyone know if she was the sister of Magdalena de Liebana, 2nd wife of Melchor de Valencia? In my tree on Ancestry, it suggested that the parents of Ana de Liebana are Alvaro Maciel and Isabel del Castillo Orosco.

    Ana and Melchor's first wife were both my 10th great grandmothers.

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