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By arturoramos - Posted on 26 July 2006

As far as I have been able to tell, the nexus of the Pinedos in Southern Zacatecas and Northern Jalisco seems to be Jerez/Monte Escobedo. Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen seems to think they are all descended or related (as slaves or servants to descendants) to a Rodrigo de Pinedo or Pineda that was one of the captains fighting the Chichimeca War that were the original settlers of Jerez.

I have no definitive proof of this or even that my two Pinedo lineages come from him. My father's Pinedos definitely come from Monte Escobedo. They are descended from a Diego Pinedo who was married to a Gertrudis de Avila. Their son, Lorenzo Pinedo married a granddaughter of Francisco de Escobedo (founder of San Andres Astillero, which later came to be known as Monte Escobedo). Their children were born in in San Andres Astillero. One of them later moved to Totatiche and is one of the progenitors of the name in the region.

The other two are a Diego Pinedo who is a mulato in the early 1700s in Colotlan and had lots of children and a Francisco Pinedo who appears in Tlaltenango around 1700. Before that there are no Pinedos in Tlaltenango other than a son of one of the mayors in the early 1700s who appears to have left no descendancy in the area. Francisco Pinedo appears to have immigrated from Tayahua, Zacatecas (in what is now Villanueva) since the marriage of his oldest son states that he was born in Tayahua. That makes sense and would explain why he doesn't appear anywhere before that date since the records for Tayahua are missing for those years.

It is hard to say where to look but the Pinedos are concentrated in a cocentric circle around Monte Escobedo... Colotlan, Totatiche, Monte Escobedo, Tepetongo and Jerez. What are the approximate dates for your great-grandparents baptisms/marriages? Most of those municipalities are well indexed and your ancestors would show up if they were there which makes me think they may be in an unindexed place like Valparaiso or something of the sort. Nicanor's marriage document does not list his birthplace? How about your grandfather's baptism certificate. Does it list his grandparents? Do these match those from Nicanor's marriage document?

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Chris Pineda wrote:

You seem to know alot about the Pinedos in Zacatecas...so I'm hoping you can help me out. Perhaps the bext question to ask is what towns do you think were really hubs for Pinedos and Pinedas?

I'm asking because I've been stuck for a while and don't know how to proceed. I have found 2 marriage records for my great grandfather, named Nicanor Pineda, in Tlaltenango, dated 1903 and 1914. I also found the death certificate for his first wife in Tlaltenango. The problem is that I've been unable to find his baptism or birth records...I've been searching the Tlaltenango records for some time (for 1870s-1890s), but nothing. I'm wondering now if Nicanor Pineda might have been born and baptized someplace else.

What I do know is that his father's name is Pedro Pinedo according to the records I've found and, if my grandfather remembers right, Pedro Pinedo might have been in the cavalry. I believe that Nicanor's mother was named Pioquinta (Men/Car)dosa.

So any idea on other cities to start looking at? Any help is appreciated

Chris:

Thinking about this a bit more, it is really going to be like looking for a needle in a haystack to try to find what town your great-grandfather was born in. I think that if you know yout g-g-grandfather's name and you suspect he was in the Mexican calvary that may be a more fruitful avenue to take.

Another alternative is to pull the "informaciones matrimoniales" film for your great-grandfather's first marriage. These often list grandparents as part of the due diligence to determine lack of cosanguinity.

From the familysearch.org site:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/rg/guide/Mexico18.asp

Military Records of Genealogical Value

The following records include information on most soldiers and can be useful in researching your family:

* Hojas de servicios (Service records). Lists of officers’ name, birth date, birthplace, family information, and military ranks and assignments.
* Expedientes personales (Personal petition files). Personal requests by servicemen such as their petitioning for military advancements after citing their military record. The files may include a number of documents of genealogical interest, such as family baptismal and marriage certificates.
* Listas de quintas o conscripciones (Conscription lists). Lists of new recruits and in some cases a census of all males eligible for military service. The town or municipal archives (archivo de ayuntamiento) sometimes house these records.
* Filiaciones (Enlistments). Lists of common soldiers in the military, excluding officers. Enlistments include the soldiers’ name, birth date and birthplace, parents’ names, residence, religion, marital status, and physical description. They may also list the soldier’s military history. Enlistments are less likely than service sheets to be indexed.
* Padrones and listas de revistas (Census records). Censuses of military men and their families were often taken in various areas. The census records may include all the citizens who were served and protected by the military outpost.

For more information on the military records of Mexico, including where the records are found, see:

Ryskamp, George R. Tracing Your Hispanic Heritage. Riverside, Calif.: Hispanic Family History Research, 1984, pp. 591-632. (FHL book 946 D27r; computer number 0256085.)

Locating Other Military Records

Records of military service in Mexico were kept by several government agencies. Some of these records have been centralized at the Archivo General de la Nacion and the Archivo Histórico Militar Mexicano. Others can be found in different state archives as well as in the municipio archives (archivos del ayuntamiento). The Family History Library has some military records that cover the 1500s to 1900s.

The Archivo General de la Nacíon has several collections that contain valuable military records. These collections can be searched in the Archivo Histórico Militar (Historical Military Archive). Some of these collections are:

* Guerras y Pensiones (wars and pensions). These date from 1793 to 1900 and contain petitions for pensions from families who had soldiers who died in the war. These include servicemen’s name, spouse and children, date and place of birth and marriage, and place of residence.
* Listas de Revistas (list of musters). From this collection you can find the servicemen’s name, place of residence, age, civil statues, race, years in the service, and number of family members.
* Méritos y Servicios (merits and services records). These records start in 1524 and continue to 1634. They contain genealogies, biographies, names of soldiers, and occasionally their date and place of birth.

Another archive that has military records but is difficult to access is the Archivo de la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (Archive of the Secretary of National Defense) in Mexico City. Some of the collections include:

* Registros de Comisiones Militares (registers of military comissions).
* Hojas de Servicio Militar (military service records).
* Cancelados (files on former officers)

These records have extensive information on the soldiers and officers and their families. In order to visit this archive you need a letter of recommendation and the archive’s permission to do research.

Another military record in Mexico is the Cartillas del Servicio Militar Nacional (cards of conscripts of the national military service), which covers the last century to the present and lists persons from 18 to 48 years old. These cards are issued to all who enter the military and include a photo of the conscripted and his full name, age, date and place of birth, parents, and civil status. These records can be found either in the Ayuntamientos (municipio offices) or the Department of the Secretary of National Defense.

The above collections are only a few of many that are found throughout Mexico. Always make sure you know the history of the area in which your ancestor served, and find out what archives are available for that area and what records they contain.

Chris:

I had never seen an informacion matrimonial from such a recent period. To tell you the truth there is a lot less information there than what I imagined and certainly less that what I have seen in informaciones from one hundred fifty years earler. Perhaps intermarriage was more of a problem back then.

As far as "originario y vecino de esta ciudad" it could mean a number of things. He could have been born in a nearby rancho but baptized in a different parrish (Momax, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Joaquin Amaro, etc.) Also he could have moved there at a young age in which case he "had always lived there" as far as he and the priest were concerned. Usually they would only note when people moved to the place as adults or still lived in another place at the time of marriage.

If Nicanor's parents are not listed there, where are you getting his parents' names from? Have you seen your grandfather's baptism certificate? That should definitely have his four grandparents' names as should your grandfather's social security application which you can order under a freedom of information act request. Do you know when he passed away?

There are also naturalization records which you can request through a freedom of information act request as well. The National Archives has some of the older ones filmed, though I am not familiar as to how to navigate that quagmire.

Here is another tidbit clue in your puzzle to find your great-grandfather's birth Chris. His first wife was definitely from the area around Tlaltenango... actually from the next town over in Tepechitlan...

Parents:

NATIVIDAD GODOY
Marriages:
Spouse: FELIPE MINJARES
Marriage: 05 OCT 1864
M606161 1848 - 1873 0445049

And a sister:
MARIA MARGARITA MINJAREZ GODOY
Christening: 21 FEB 1869 Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: FELIPE MINJAREZ Family
Mother: NATIVIDAD GODOY
C600817 1867 - 1875 0444031

I see now where Nicanor's parents are mentioned in the second marriage dispensation. The mother's name is Pioquinta but the last name is either not there or difficult to make out. I am reading "Rosa" or :"Rosas" or "Losa"

And all of the Pedro Pinedos that come up in IGI for the relevant years. If only we were certain of your g-g-grandmother's name we would rule out these names definitively or figure out whether one of them is the right one. They are all from the towns I mentioned earlier. I imagine, however, if his first wife was from Tepechitlan he would have had to meet her at an early age and therefore must have lived in Tlaltenango or maybe Atolinga or Totatiche.

Have you tried DNA? I have a PINEDO lineage y-DNA test from my cousin.

1. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 18 APR 1855 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
2. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 NOV 1861 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
3. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 14 APR 1864 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
4. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 28 JUN 1865 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
5. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 MAY 1869 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
6. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 05 MAY 1873 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico
7. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 FEB 1874 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
8. PETRONILO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 MAY 1879 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
9. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 MAY 1886 Totatiche, Jalisco, Mexico
10. PEDRO PINEDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 MAY 1889 Bolanos, Jalisco, Mexico

I know this is an old post, but while researching a name, I came across another Diego Pinedo. It caught my eye because it shows he was marrying a Regina de Aguayo in 1694. No additional information, parents or originating town. Do you have any additional information on this couple?

Here is the link. Right hand page, second entry.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-RS4D-S?i=250&cc=1615259

Thanks
Ruben R

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