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By MariaCortez - Posted on 19 July 2006

Arturo,

thanks for checking into this. What you say makes sense. I've also read
that the early Spanish sailings were not monitored very closely. That is
what gave birth to the "Sala de Contratación" as well as a series of laws.
As you say, there were illegal sailings, and I wonder if slave trafficking
was illegal? I know that Spain did not do much (or any?) of that. I have
read that the Carlo Lomellini (or Carlos Lomelín) was a slave trafficker.
That may be the reason why Rose and I are having trouble finding anything on
him.

Maria

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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
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> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
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> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sailings from Genova to Mexico
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
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> Maria:
>
> I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova
> to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its
> colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could
> not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily
> mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to
> smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).
>
> Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but
> taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.
>
> Archivo Archivo General de Indias
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> T?tulo JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
> Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto
> [sic] y de Mar?a Esp?ndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de G?nova.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
> Volumen
> Productor(es) Informaci?n de Contexto
> Unidades Relacionadas
> Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: arturoramos
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] More Lomellins from AER
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.com
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> Enter "LOMELIN" in the first search field and then add another search
> field and enter "PASAJERO" These are just the listings for passengers to
> Mexico. There are many more mostly to Cartagena de Indias (Colombia).
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166
> T?tulo BRIGIDA LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido BRIGIDA LOMELIN, natural de Tudela, hija de Juan
> Mart?nez y de Catalina Lomelin, a Nueva Espa?a, como criada de don Antonio
> Vel?zquez de Baz?n.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1571-07-06
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353
> T?tulo LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN, Racionero
> de la Catedral de M?xico, a Nueva Espa?a. Informaci?n y licencia en
> CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1626-07-06
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16404.42.3.188//CONTRATACION,5395,
> N.59
> T?tulo PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido Expediente de informaci?n y licencia de pasajero
> a indias del licenciado Pedro de Barrientos Lomel?n, racionero de la
> catedral de M?xico, con sus criados Juan de la Cruz y Pedro Rodr?guez, ?ste
> natural y vecino de Sevilla, hijo de Antonio Rodr?guez y de Mariana Cid, a
> Nueva Espa?a. Fecha de la licencia
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Compuesta
> Fecha(s) [f] 1626-07-03
> Signatura(s) CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
>
> C?digo de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726
> T?tulo JOSE LOMELIN
> Alcance y Contenido JOSE LOMELIN, natural de G?nova, vecino de
> M?xico, hijo de Domingo Lomel?n y de Margarita, a Nueva Espa?a, de donde es
> vecino.
> Nivel de Descripci?n Unidad Documental Simple
> Fecha(s) [c] 1562-01-26
> Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726
>
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Arturo and Maria

I was told by my cousin during his readings on Spain and Mexico that Spain did not allow passage from other countries to enter Mexico. If someone from another country wanted to sail to Mexico then they would have to enter a port in Spain and then sail from Spain to Mexico, there were no direct passages.... an old fashion lay over so to speak. I have not done any research to confirm his findings. Just passing along what I heard on the subject.

Rose

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