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By Rose Hardy - Posted on 15 July 2006

Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's? I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website: http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in there as well.

The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early 1800's.

Thanks
Rose
Fresno, CA

Rose,

Here is a quote from the prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal in the book, Los Duran de Nochistlan.

" Tambien hubo en Nochistlán, sangre Genovesa, como la de los Lavezzari-aqui conocidos por Lavezares, de quienes atrás hemos hablado-y la de los Lomellini -aqui reputados Lomelines-, Carlos de Lomelin, a quien en la Relacion del siglo XVII se le hace, curiosamente, español de los Reinos de Genova, procedia de una de las siete Casas Nobles de Génova, y fue estanciero próspero en Mexticacán. Establecido alli por 1624, casó con doña Maria de Benavides, descendiente del viejo linaje Nochistlense de ese apellido, habiendo nacido de alli cinco vástagos: Gaspar, Carlos, Juana, Domingo y Maria.

Juana casó en Nochistlán el 12 de Septiembre de 1621 con Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ulloa; y viuda, pasó a segundas nupcias con el Jalostitlense Don Francisco Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, hijo del capitán Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y de Doña Leonor de Hermosillo. Por estas vias, gran parte de los linajes Jalostitlenses remontan su ascendencia a los Lomelines de Nochistlan.

Domingo unió su vida a la de doña Juana de Mendoza, Jalostitlense; hija de Manuel Gómez y de doña Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza. Cuatro varones y dos hembras resultaron del connubio; a traves de tres de ellos se extendió generosamente el apellido en la región.

Maria de Lomelin y de Benavides casó con el criollo de la ciudad de Mejico, Don Nicolas Pérez de Contreras. Una hija de este matrimonio, Juana, que fue bautizada en Nochistlan el 3 de Febrere de 1643, casó, casi niña, con don Pedro Gallaga Mandarte y Rodriguez, hijo de Don Pedro y de doña Anna. Del matrimonio surgio el linage alteño de los Gallagas, rama materna del sacerdote y guerrillero don Miguel Hidalgo-Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte.

End of quote. There is much more information about the Lomellin's but since it is not indexed for the names it is time consuming to extract specific information and have not had the time to do it yet.

Alicia
San Jose, Ca

Rose Hardy wrote:

Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's? I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website: http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in there as well.

The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early 1800's.

Thanks
Rose
Fresno, CA

Hi Rose,

I too descend from Carlos Lomellini through two of Juana Lomelin's
daughters. I also descend from Magdalena de Lavezares and have the same
interest you do in learning about Italians in Mexico. I have found
references to these lines in Mariano Gonzalez-Leal's book "Retoños de España
en la Nueva Galicia" Tomo II. There are also chapters In Jose Luis
Vazquez's book on Genealogia de Nochistlan that trace the Lomellini's and
the Lavezares descendancy.

I would be happy to exchange data with you. Please e-mail me directly.

Maria Cortez

Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Italians in Mexico
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Message-ID: <20060715170039.42643.qmail@web81614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Rose,
>
> Here is a quote from the prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal in the book,
> Los Duran de Nochistlan.
>
> " Tambien hubo en Nochistl?n, sangre Genovesa, como la de los
> Lavezzari-aqui conocidos por Lavezares, de quienes atr?s hemos hablado-y la
> de los Lomellini -aqui reputados Lomelines-, Carlos de Lomelin, a quien en
> la Relacion del siglo XVII se le hace, curiosamente, espa?ol de los Reinos
> de Genova, procedia de una de las siete Casas Nobles de G?nova, y fue
> estanciero pr?spero en Mexticac?n. Establecido alli por 1624, cas? con do?a
> Maria de Benavides, descendiente del viejo linaje Nochistlense de ese
> apellido, habiendo nacido de alli cinco v?stagos: Gaspar, Carlos, Juana,
> Domingo y Maria.
>
> Juana cas? en Nochistl?n el 12 de Septiembre de 1621 con Rodrigo de
> Carbajal y Ulloa; y viuda, pas? a segundas nupcias con el Jalostitlense Don
> Francisco Guti?rrez de Hermosillo, hijo del capit?n Francisco Guti?rrez
> Rubio y de Do?a Leonor de Hermosillo. Por estas vias, gran parte de los
> linajes Jalostitlenses remontan su ascendencia a los Lomelines de
> Nochistlan.
>
> Domingo uni? su vida a la de do?a Juana de Mendoza, Jalostitlense; hija de
> Manuel G?mez y de do?a Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza. Cuatro varones y dos
> hembras resultaron del connubio; a traves de tres de ellos se extendi?
> generosamente el apellido en la regi?n.
>
> Maria de Lomelin y de Benavides cas? con el criollo de la ciudad de
> Mejico, Don Nicolas P?rez de Contreras. Una hija de este matrimonio, Juana,
> que fue bautizada en Nochistlan el 3 de Febrere de 1643, cas?, casi ni?a,
> con don Pedro Gallaga Mandarte y Rodriguez, hijo de Don Pedro y de do?a
> Anna. Del matrimonio surgio el linage alte?o de los Gallagas, rama materna
> del sacerdote y guerrillero don Miguel Hidalgo-Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte.
>
> End of quote. There is much more information about the Lomellin's but
> since it is not indexed for the names it is time consuming to extract
> specific information and have not had the time to do it yet.
>
> Alicia
> San Jose, Ca
>
> Rose Hardy wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding
> Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's?
> I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website:
> http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian
> ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big
> zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al
> Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in
> there as well.
>
> The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600,
> children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around
> Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early
> 1800's.
>
> Thanks
> Rose
> Fresno, CA

Hi Maria

I have Jose Luis' book also and am looking for the information linking Italy
to Mexico. I did find an Italian Mexican website a few weeks ago. But I'm
looking for older data.

http://www.italmex.vze.com/

Rose

Maria, I been stuck on my mother's Lomeli line. I can trace back to 1849 Mexticacan. This is when Jacinto de Lomeli married Maria Onofre Gomez.
I'd love to see your gedcom on the website, so I may search for missing links.
My gedcom is online.

Enrique Legaspi Frias

Maria Cortez wrote:
Hi Rose,

I too descend from Carlos Lomellini through two of Juana Lomelin's
daughters. I also descend from Magdalena de Lavezares and have the same
interest you do in learning about Italians in Mexico. I have found
references to these lines in Mariano Gonzalez-Leal's book "Retoños de España
en la Nueva Galicia" Tomo II. There are also chapters In Jose Luis
Vazquez's book on Genealogia de Nochistlan that trace the Lomellini's and
the Lavezares descendancy.

I would be happy to exchange data with you. Please e-mail me directly.

Maria Cortez

Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:00:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Italians in Mexico
> To: research@NuestrosRanchos.com
> Message-ID: <20060715170039.42643.qmail@web81614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Rose,
>
> Here is a quote from the prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal in the book,
> Los Duran de Nochistlan.
>
> " Tambien hubo en Nochistl?n, sangre Genovesa, como la de los
> Lavezzari-aqui conocidos por Lavezares, de quienes atr?s hemos hablado-y la
> de los Lomellini -aqui reputados Lomelines-, Carlos de Lomelin, a quien en
> la Relacion del siglo XVII se le hace, curiosamente, espa?ol de los Reinos
> de Genova, procedia de una de las siete Casas Nobles de G?nova, y fue
> estanciero pr?spero en Mexticac?n. Establecido alli por 1624, cas? con do?a
> Maria de Benavides, descendiente del viejo linaje Nochistlense de ese
> apellido, habiendo nacido de alli cinco v?stagos: Gaspar, Carlos, Juana,
> Domingo y Maria.
>
> Juana cas? en Nochistl?n el 12 de Septiembre de 1621 con Rodrigo de
> Carbajal y Ulloa; y viuda, pas? a segundas nupcias con el Jalostitlense Don
> Francisco Guti?rrez de Hermosillo, hijo del capit?n Francisco Guti?rrez
> Rubio y de Do?a Leonor de Hermosillo. Por estas vias, gran parte de los
> linajes Jalostitlenses remontan su ascendencia a los Lomelines de
> Nochistlan.
>
> Domingo uni? su vida a la de do?a Juana de Mendoza, Jalostitlense; hija de
> Manuel G?mez y de do?a Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza. Cuatro varones y dos
> hembras resultaron del connubio; a traves de tres de ellos se extendi?
> generosamente el apellido en la regi?n.
>
> Maria de Lomelin y de Benavides cas? con el criollo de la ciudad de
> Mejico, Don Nicolas P?rez de Contreras. Una hija de este matrimonio, Juana,
> que fue bautizada en Nochistlan el 3 de Febrere de 1643, cas?, casi ni?a,
> con don Pedro Gallaga Mandarte y Rodriguez, hijo de Don Pedro y de do?a
> Anna. Del matrimonio surgio el linage alte?o de los Gallagas, rama materna
> del sacerdote y guerrillero don Miguel Hidalgo-Costilla y Gallaga-Mandarte.
>
> End of quote. There is much more information about the Lomellin's but
> since it is not indexed for the names it is time consuming to extract
> specific information and have not had the time to do it yet.
>
> Alicia
> San Jose, Ca
>
> Rose Hardy wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding
> Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's?
> I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website:
> http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian
> ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big
> zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al
> Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in
> there as well.
>
> The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600,
> children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around
> Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early
> 1800's.
>
> Thanks
> Rose
> Fresno, CA

Rose,

I have done the same thing you have--looked at the AER for a ship passenger
record and found nothing. I concluded that my ancestors must have sailed
out of the Porto di Genova which was one of the major ports in medieval
times. I have not been able to find out if any records exist for that
port. I did find this website on Italians all over Latinamerica. It is
excellent and contains a lot of information. Here is the link:
http://www.apellidositalianos.com.ar/ According to the website the ship
departure records for the Porto di Genova were destroyed during the second
world war, but some archives are still available. They list this address:

*Autorita Portuale di
Genova
*

Porto di Genova - Archivo Storico
via della Mercanzia 2
16123 Genova

Tel. 39-010-2412330 / 2412319
Fax: 39-010-241 2397
info@porto.genova.it

emigrazione@porto.genova.it

Si bien los registros de salidas de pasajeros desde el puerto de Génova
fueron destruidos en la segunda guerra, aun conservan algunos archivos.

En el Palacio San Giorgio se encuentra el Archivo
Históricoy
el Archivo
FotográficoAllí
conservan documentación histórica desde 1870 a 1945. Está abierto
todos
los dias de 9 a 17 hs.

Teléfonos: 010 - 241.2625 y 010 - 241.2714

Otra posibilidad es comunicarse con el:

Autorita Portuale di
Napoli

Secretario General

*Dr. Pietro Capogreco*
Tel.: 39-081 - 206485

Fax: 39-081 - 206888
E-mail: p.capogreco@porto.napoli.it

If I find anything more I'll share it with the group.

Maria

>> Rose Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records
>> regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's
>> to early 1800's?
>> I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website:
>> http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my
>> Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up
>> with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana

>> y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez
>> Martinez and nothing in there as well.
>>
>> The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about
>> 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and
>> Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the
>> late 1700's to early 1800's.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rose
>> Fresno, CA

Maria:

I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).

Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.

Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Título JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto [sic] y de María Espíndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de Génova.
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33

Maria:

I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).

Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.

Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Título JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto [sic] y de María Espíndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de Génova.
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33

Maria:

I am not sure, but I don't believe there were legal sailings from Genova to Mexico in the 1500s. Spain maintained a strict trade monopoly with its colonies and I would imagine that would imply that non-Spanish ships could not sail to her colonies... I will investigate. That does not necessarily mean they did not. I know there were lots of illegal sailings especially to smuggle out goods and smuggle in people who could not get licensias (Jews).

Here is a Lomeli from AER. It is the woman with the name Lomeli but taking maternal last names was common in the 1500s.

Archivo Archivo General de Indias
Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Título JUAN BAPTISTA VACO
Alcance y Contenido JUAN BAPTISTA VACO [sic], hijo de Gonzalo Vasto [sic] y de María Espíndola, marido de Isabel Lomeli, natural de Génova.
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1526-08-30
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.1,E.2939
Volumen
Productor(es) Información de Contexto
Unidades Relacionadas
Por Procedencia CONTRATACION,5536,L.2,F.33

Enter "LOMELIN" in the first search field and then add another search field and enter "PASAJERO" These are just the listings for passengers to Mexico. There are many more mostly to Cartagena de Indias (Colombia).

Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166
Título BRIGIDA LOMELIN
Alcance y Contenido BRIGIDA LOMELIN, natural de Tudela, hija de Juan Martínez y de Catalina Lomelin, a Nueva España, como criada de don Antonio Velázquez de Bazán.
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1571-07-06
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.5,E.3166

Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353
Título LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
Alcance y Contenido LICENCIADO PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN, Racionero de la Catedral de México, a Nueva España. Información y licencia en CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1626-07-06
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.11,E.353

Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16404.42.3.188//CONTRATACION,5395,N.59
Título PEDRO DE BARRIENTOS LOMELIN
Alcance y Contenido Expediente de información y licencia de pasajero a indias del licenciado Pedro de Barrientos Lomelín, racionero de la catedral de México, con sus criados Juan de la Cruz y Pedro Rodríguez, éste natural y vecino de Sevilla, hijo de Antonio Rodríguez y de Mariana Cid, a Nueva España. Fecha de la licencia
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Compuesta
Fecha(s) [f] 1626-07-03
Signatura(s) CONTRATACION,5395,N.59

Código de referencia ES.41091.AGI/16419//PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726
Título JOSE LOMELIN
Alcance y Contenido JOSE LOMELIN, natural de Génova, vecino de México, hijo de Domingo Lomelín y de Margarita, a Nueva España, de donde es vecino.
Nivel de Descripción Unidad Documental Simple
Fecha(s) [c] 1562-01-26
Signatura(s) PASAJEROS,L.4,E.1726

Rose,
I have a Carlos Lomelin born about 1584 in Genova, Genova, Italy and married to a Maria Benavides in about 1609, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had one daughter named Juana Lomelin who married Francisco Gutierrez Rubio about 1651, in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. Francisco was born about 1610 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco.

Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg (Sacramento, CA)
fuccifeet@sbcglobal.net

Rose Hardy wrote:

Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's? I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website: http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in there as well.

The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos Lomellini about 1600, children and grandchildren in Nochistlan, Zacatecas) and Durazzo around Hermosillo, San Miguel de Horcasitas, Sonora in the late 1700's to early 1800's.

Thanks
Rose
Fresno, CA

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