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By mistyriver123 - Posted on 08 June 2006

What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group? What is going on with the groups quietness?
Do miss hearing from you all.

In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez, I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.

Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above mentioned line.

On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820. Very interesting...

Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
Saludos, Helyn

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I think a lot of us are intimidated by the "formality" of the new set
up although it is a sensible one. It's also a bit confusing to have to
join the different categories. Just my thoughts on it. Marge V.:)
On Jun 8, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Santos Luna wrote:

> What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group?
> What is going on with the groups quietness?
> Do miss hearing from you all.
>
> In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El
> Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez,
> I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his
> signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.
>
> Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a
> Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another
> line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above
> mentioned line.
>
> On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which
> was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820.
> Very interesting...
>
> Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and
> listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
> Saludos, Helyn
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

I'm not sure.

once everyone is subscribed to the the 3 email lists things should be
exactly like they were on the Yahoo Group.

You should get an email when posted to the group and if it's something
interesting to you you should reply to it and your answer will go out to
the whole list. Nothing different.

Maybe the focal point was You Helyn and now that you are back the group
will take a giant upswing in conversation. Keep talking we're listening!

for example your fabulous success in your research is very inspiring.

A couple of things can you explain whay you mean by "patera" my Spanish
fails me what is that and what does it mean?

thanks,

joseph

Santos Luna wrote:

>What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group? What is going on with the groups quietness?
> Do miss hearing from you all.
>
> In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez, I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.
>
> Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above mentioned line.
>
> On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820. Very interesting...
>
> Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
> Saludos, Helyn
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>http://mail.yahoo.com

Thank you for your input. We did not mean to make this setup any more formal than the last one. The mailing lists work just the same, so please contribute as you see fit.

As far as my research... I have taken some time off trying to find new information and have begun to more formally compile the information that I have. I have begun writing a book on the historical ethnography of the Totatiche area along with my father's genealogy.

Esteban Valdes Salazar, the local historian in Totatiche is currently writing a book on the Pinedos and Ortegas of Totatiche so I am waiting for that before I go further on my mother's genealogy since she is both a Pinedo and an Ortega.

As part of my formal compilation I have begun taking systematic scans of documents in my databases film by film. I am able to scan directly to a JPEG file and the quality is amazing. I then adjust the contrast and brightness, clean them up a bit and upload them. It works great as a filing system.

Example:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I618

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From: "M. Vallazza"
Date: Thu Jun 08 09:34:50 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola ~~~Que Pasa??

I think a lot of us are intimidated by the "formality" of the new set
up although it is a sensible one. It's also a bit confusing to have to
join the different categories. Just my thoughts on it. Marge V.:)
On Jun 8, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Santos Luna wrote:

> What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group?
> What is going on with the groups quietness?
> Do miss hearing from you all.
>
> In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El
> Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez,
> I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his
> signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.
>
> Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a
> Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another
> line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above
> mentioned line.
>
> On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which
> was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820.
> Very interesting...
>
> Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and
> listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
> Saludos, Helyn
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

"partera" translates as midwife. In these pueblos there were obviously no doctors so births were attended to by women who had learned the art of aiding in childbirth through their mothers, aunts, etc. who had performed the same function.

Interesting tidbit, as I was reading through the Luz Montejano's Guadalajara dispensations book I ran across a couple of dispensations where midwife's were called in as expert witnesses to attest to women's virginity in cases of questionable fidelity (i.e. the woman was accused of having had relations with a sibling or father of the pretenso)

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From: Joseph Puentes
Date: Thu Jun 08 10:53:21 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hola ~~~Que Pasa??

I'm not sure.

once everyone is subscribed to the the 3 email lists things should be
exactly like they were on the Yahoo Group.

You should get an email when posted to the group and if it's something
interesting to you you should reply to it and your answer will go out to
the whole list. Nothing different.

Maybe the focal point was You Helyn and now that you are back the group
will take a giant upswing in conversation. Keep talking we're listening!

for example your fabulous success in your research is very inspiring.

A couple of things can you explain whay you mean by "patera" my Spanish
fails me what is that and what does it mean?

thanks,

joseph

Santos Luna wrote:

>What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group? What is going on with the groups quietness?
> Do miss hearing from you all.
>
> In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez, I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.
>
> Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above mentioned line.
>
> On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820. Very interesting...
>
> Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
> Saludos, Helyn
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>http://mail.yahoo.com

"M. Vallazza" wrote: I think a lot of us are intimidated by the "formality" of the new set
up although it is a sensible one. It's also a bit confusing to have to
join the different categories. Just my thoughts on it. Marge V.:)
On Jun 8, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Santos Luna wrote:

> What happened to all the old dialog we use to have in the Yahoo Group?
> What is going on with the groups quietness?
> Do miss hearing from you all.
>
> In my research, I have found that I share common ancestors with El
> Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas. With gratitude to Kitty & Rich Cortez,
> I now have a copy of El Santos baptismal record, and a copy of his
> signature when he was a priest, and baptizing in his parish.
>
> Also from this line, one of the Magallanas daughters married a
> Robles, which was the beginning of my Robles line. I also have another
> line of Magallanas, which I have not been able to tie with the above
> mentioned line.
>
> On my maternal side, I now have found 134 grandparents. One of which
> was listed as "se ignora" on her grandchild's baptismal, around 1820.
> Very interesting...
>
> Another grandmother was listed as 70 years of age in 1753, and
> listed as a "partera". And the research continues~~~
> Saludos, Helyn
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

My heart skipped a beat when I read what you had posted about "El Santo Mateo Correra Magallanas." Is it possible that "Correra," is actually "Corvera/Corbera?"
I was working on trying to figure out the following:
Cesarea Corvera Magallanes, b. 27 Aug 1856; bapt 28 Aug 1856, birth place : Rancho de San Juan. Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. Cesarea daughter of Manuel Corvera y Jesus Magallanes. Manuel son of Trinidad Corvera y Petra Marquez. Jesus daughter of Antonio Magellanes y Jesus Gonsales. I found a marriage record for a Manuel Corbera y Jesus Magallanes 7 Feb 1875 Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. Their marriage is years after the dates listed above. I'm finding this same situation in another line ( Serrano y Salamanca), strangely 7 Feb is also their marriage date, but in the year of 1877..
RVI Batch - C607137
IGI Batch - M607146.
IGI Batch - C026070 is listed as a batch number, but no other information is given, as to the film # and dates, etc....
A rather interesting research day for me.
I'm coming away with more questions than answers on the Corbera/Corvera; Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez ancestry.
Pat

The surname is actually spelled 'Correa.' Sometimes I have seen the surname spelled with one 'r', 'Corea'; or with an 's', 'Correas'; but I have never seen it spelled 'Correra' or 'Corbera'. BUT...i guess it is possible...just not my experience...

Here is a link to a bio on Catholic-forum:
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm1v.htm

I too have Magallanes in my family and I will have to compare the names you gave, with names in my family tree program...I'll have to get back to you...

Angie Godina

Pat,

I didn't find the Magallanes family that you described in my family tree but I did find the below information in the IGI:

JOSE ANTONIO MAGALLANES
Spouse: MARIA DE JESUS GONZALEZ
Marriage: 10 JUN 1818 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M607143 1791 - 1821 0443971

Children of Antonio and Maria de Jesus:
JOSE YNES DEL REFUGIO MAGALLANES GONZALES
Gender: Male Christening: 23 APR 1822 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSE NORBERTO MAGALLANES GONZALES
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JUN 1822 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

JUANA MARIA PIA MAGALLANES GONZALEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JUL 1826 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

MARIA LORENZA DE JESUS MAGALLANES GONZALEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 13 AUG 1828 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

MARIA CRECENCIA MAGALLANES GONZALEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 22 APR 1830 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

MA. CLETA MAGALLANES GONZALES
Gender: Female Christening: 28 APR 1832 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

MARIA ALVINA MAGALLANES GONZALEZ
Gender: Female Christening: 22 DEC 1833 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

JOSE HILARIO MAGALLANEZ GONZALEZ
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JAN 1836 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

MARIA EULOGIA MAGALLANES GONZALES
Gender: Female Christening: 13 MAR 1839 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico

Hope this information helps.
Good luck in your search.
Angie Godina

Thank you Angie, In the 41 years that I've been a Corbera, I've seen it spelled a few different ways even as "Cobra." Guess it's just an easy name to mis-spell. I'm going to focus on Serrano and Salmanca, and put "Corbera," on the "back burner," for now. Pat

aajay1073 wrote:
The surname is actually spelled 'Correa.' Sometimes I have seen the surname spelled with one 'r', 'Corea'; or with an 's', 'Correas'; but I have never seen it spelled 'Correra' or 'Corbera'. BUT...i guess it is possible...just not my experience...

Here is a link to a bio on Catholic-forum:
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm1v.htm

I too have Magallanes in my family and I will have to compare the names you gave, with names in my family tree program...I'll have to get back to you...

Angie Godina

I want to aplogize ahead of time for jumping in and not quite
understanding the context. . .aren't you talking about two different
surnames? For example both names are listed in the:

Index to the Enciclopedia Heráldica Hispano-Americana of Alberto and
Arturo García Carraffa

found at this URL: http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html

Here is the results for Corbera:
Corbera 27 157

Here are the results for Correa (well I didn't find it by itself):
Correa Sotomayor 2 143

Maybe you all live close to one of the many libraries that own these
volumes you can have a look at the history of the names.

joseph

Patricia Corbera wrote:

>Thank you Angie, In the 41 years that I've been a Corbera, I've seen it spelled a few different ways even as "Cobra." Guess it's just an easy name to mis-spell. I'm going to focus on Serrano and Salmanca, and put "Corbera," on the "back burner," for now. Pat
>
>aajay1073 wrote:
>The surname is actually spelled 'Correa.' Sometimes I have seen the surname spelled with one 'r', 'Corea'; or with an 's', 'Correas'; but I have never seen it spelled 'Correra' or 'Corbera'. BUT...i guess it is possible...just not my experience...
>
>Here is a link to a bio on Catholic-forum:
>http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm1v.htm
>
>I too have Magallanes in my family and I will have to compare the names you gave, with names in my family tree program...I'll have to get back to you...
>
>Angie Godina
>
>

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