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By mimasep1959 - Posted on 02 March 2006

What a sweet story, Joseph.  Darn it!  A reminder
that I have to put the stories down that I hear.  I need to make time....

 
Funny.  My parents would always make nopales en
ensalada--(cooked nopales with chopped raw onions, cilantro, tomatoes &
chiles serranos or jalapenos-- probably what your mom cooked for your dad or was
it  different?  I didn't learn about nopales with
chile and carne de puerco, until recently from a co-worker whose family was from
Chihuahua.  When I asked my mom about this.  She responded, that isn't
a dish from Chihuahua.  We make it in Jalisco too, but you know how your
dad is about pork.  He's not fond of pork, but makes the best
carnitas.  Go figure...
Irma

From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:06 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Olivia's "Nuestra Vida"
Project


easy, just start a few catagories like the ones I suggested and have
people send in their stories related to each in relation (somehow) to their
relatives who came from our target area. In the story below you have my mom who
was from El Paso and my dad born in Santa Paula, but the influence--my
grandmother-- was from Jalisco. .

for example my mom used to make
nopales in the plain style without chile sauteed after being boiled even though
from her childhood she liked the style of them being cooked in a chile sauce.
Why did she do that? Well because my grandmother who was born in Las Animas,
Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, was a strict mother-in-law when it came to
the wifes of her beloved sons (anyone else ever hear of how much the mothers
loved their sons?) and though this marriage survived until death did part them
there were other marriages from my uncles that didn't because of the macho
domineering type of attitude the sons of my grandparents had about how they
should be cared for by their wives. In my marriage my wife doesn't cook for me.
. .she just cooks. And for that matter when I sometimes cook I don't cook for
her I just cook. but that wasn't the case in my parents lives. I think I said to
the group before that one day I caught my mom eating her nopales with chile not
many months after my dad died. And she was crying while she ate them. I asked
her why she was crying and she said that she was eating nopales the way she
liked them. I didn't understand and asked for an explanation. She said my father
liked them plain and for all the years she had been married to him she hadn't
eaten them like she liked them with chile because she knew he liked them plain.
Now as she was eating them her preferred way with chile it reminded her of his
death.

it was different customs and ideas and traditions that produced us
and Olivia taking the reins of a project like this is extremely important. I
don't know if you know folks or subsets of the Ranchos group personally but if
you could gather some oral history that would be great. Oral history especially
when its just stories of what happened during a time of youth are full of the
customs and traditions that influenced us today.

basically we would need
to take stories like above and put them into each catagory and upload them into
folders on the new site. No sense if we are going to "soon" be moving over to
the new site to build anything new on the Yahoo
site,

joseph



Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:

You're a great sales person Joseph.  I'd be more than happy
to oversee this.  I just have to figure out how and what I'm doing. 


Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Heights, CA

Joseph
Puentes <makas@nc.rr.com> wrote:


Olivia
Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:

> I know that our first and foremost task as
a Ranchos member is the
> research of our families, but I think it
would be interesting to look
> at the various family
customs/traditions that have been passed down
> through the
generations, including the different foods and their
> variations. Is
anyone else interested?

names are just a brief part of what our
research should be about. I
would much rather only know our great
grandparents and know all the
little details of their lives that they
passed onto our grandparents so
we could have a much better picture of
the things that influenced why we
were taught what we were
taught.

Yes please do start a recipe area in the files, start a
customs area in
the files, start a music area in the files, start a
cuentos area in the
files, start a baile area in the files, start a ????
in the files. But
remember we are aiming at Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes. Even
though we aim at that target area doesn't mean
we'll always hit it, but
with a steady aim we should hit it more often
than not.

Thank you Olivia you have found your niche in the Ranchos
group,
oversite of the "Nuestra Vida" project. . . i appreciate you
taking over
this part of our research by volunteering to be in a
complete overview
position of this new path. . . .that is what you just
volunteered for
isn't it????

thanks,

joseph

ps: Now
do you see the posibilities? If this new path takes off and
becomes
popular we can eventually create a new email list for these kind
of
postings. That way if the few in the group that are not really
wanting
to read this type of posting they can choose not to subscribe to
that
mailing list. That, THAT is what Arturo was trying to accomplish
when he
created the multiple mailing lists within the Nuestros Ranchos
site. .
.diversity and the ability to choose content. Thanks Arturo for
your
foresight and great webmaster skills.

>
>
> wlm27mhm
wrote:
>
>
> All this yummy food,
did we ever do a collection of recipies to
> share? Hilda
> --

Oh - I just love this sharing of stories of culture passed on and
culture transformed. I am looking forward to the stories you all will
be sharing on 'Nuestros Ranchos' (as soon as I get the nerve to try and
figure out the ins and outs of signing up - or whatever it's
called ... ;).
It very much reminds of that first tenent of Genealogy:
explore/research what you know best - START WITH YOURSELF (excuse me
for shouting). If we don't preserve OUR stories, who will?
(I talk big - but I don't often follow my own advice).

So here is a little saying i stumbled across, that applies to our
genealogical journey:
Buen principio, la mitad es hecha.
(With a good beginning, half the task is done.)
(This is from a collection of Mexican sayings, collected by Octavio A.
Ballesteros).
OK - this is all for now - y'all take care.

Natalie in VA

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Natalie wrote:

Oh - I just love this sharing of stories of culture passed on and
culture transformed. I am looking forward to the stories you all will
be sharing on 'Nuestros Ranchos' (as soon as I get the nerve to try and
figure out the ins and outs of signing up - or whatever it's
called ... ;).



If anyone at all feels the least bit intimidated by the new site
REMEMBER that I'm Here, Arturo is Here, and Rosalinda is Here to help
you at every step of the way. All that is required of everyone that
might feel a little shy about trying the site out is a good helping of
Patience.



If we all agree to be patient we will win this battle of transitioning
to the new site. Yes there will be a few kinks along the way, as with
anything new, but in the end our future will be set and you won't have
to hear me complain about how much space we have left and how I need to
put restrictions on who can upload to what site and volunteers to move
from here to there juggling file space when needed.



thanks,



joseph

It very much reminds of that first tenent of Genealogy:
explore/research what you know best - START WITH YOURSELF (excuse me
for shouting). If we don't preserve OUR stories, who will?
(I talk big - but I don't often follow my own advice).

So here is a little saying i stumbled across, that applies to our
genealogical journey:
Buen principio, la mitad es hecha.
(With a good beginning, half the task is done.)
(This is from a collection of Mexican sayings, collected by Octavio A.
Ballesteros).
OK - this is all for now - y'all take care.

Natalie in VA

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--

Eat more napales....
My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco, and she cooks and
uses napales with eggs, in salads, pork, gorditas, all
kinds of chiles and meats, and you name it.

Also, my relatives from La de Luna (a small ranch just
outside of Jerez, Zacatecas) are now selling the
napales to a foreign company (I believe a Japanse
company) that makes a beauty cream, vitamins, and
medicine from the Naple.

Yes, Zacatecas is the Napal capital of the world.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

I vaguely remember that my mother would fix nopales for my father, who was
born in and lived in Jerez from 1903 to 1913.  I think he said that he had
liked them since he was a child in Jerez.  Mother was from New Mexico,
where I don't remember anyone eating nopales.  My mother fixed them plain,
diced and sauteed, as a side dish.  I liked them; they tasted a little like
green beans. My husband, who grew up in El Paso, TX says his father and uncles
would gather them along the river, but he says he didn't like them because they
were painful to eat. My mother must have removed the thorns completely
since I found them tender to eat.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Alberto
Duarte

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:12
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Olivia's "Nuestra
Vida" Project

Eat more napales....
My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco,
and she cooks and
uses napales with eggs, in salads, pork, gorditas,
all
kinds of chiles and meats, and you name it. 

Also, my
relatives from La de Luna (a small ranch just
outside of Jerez, Zacatecas)
are now selling the
napales to a foreign company (I believe a
Japanse
company) that makes a beauty cream, vitamins, and
medicine from
the Naple.

Yes, Zacatecas is the Napal capital of the
world.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Irma
GomezLucero <igomezlucero@csus.edu> wrote:

> What a sweet
story, Joseph.  Darn it!  A reminder
> that I have to put
the
> stories down that I hear.  I need to make time....


> Funny.  My parents would always make nopales
en
> ensalada--(cooked
> nopales with chopped raw onions,
cilantro, tomatoes
> & chiles serranos or
> jalapenos--
probably what your mom cooked for your
> dad or was it
>
different?  I didn't learn about nopales with chile
> and carne de
puerco,
> until recently from a co-worker whose family was
> from
Chihuahua.  When I
> asked my mom about this.  She responded,
that isn't
> a dish from
> Chihuahua.  We make it in Jalisco
too, but you know
> how your dad is
> about pork.  He's not
fond of pork, but makes the
> best carnitas.  Go
>
figure...
> Irma
>
>
________________________________
>
> From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 3:06
AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Olivia's
"Nuestra Vida" Project
>
>
> easy, just start a few
catagories like the ones I
> suggested and have
> people send in
their stories related to each in
> relation (somehow) to
> their
relatives who came from our target area. In
> the story below
you
> have my mom who was from El Paso and my dad born in
> Santa
Paula, but the
> influence--my grandmother-- was from Jalisco. .

>
> for example my mom used to make nopales in the plain
>
style without chile
> sauteed after being boiled even though from
her
> childhood she liked the
> style of them being cooked in a
chile sauce. Why did
> she do that? Well
> because my grandmother
who was born in Las Animas,
> Santa Maria de Los
> Angeles,
Jalisco, was a strict mother-in-law when it
> came to the wifes
>
of her beloved sons (anyone else ever hear of how
> much the mothers
loved
> their sons?) and though this marriage survived until
>
death did part them
> there were other marriages from my uncles
that
> didn't because of the
> macho domineering type of attitude
the sons of my
> grandparents had about
> how they should be cared
for by their wives. In my
> marriage my wife
> doesn't cook for
me. . .she just cooks. And for that
> matter when I
> sometimes
cook I don't cook for her I just cook. but
> that wasn't the
>
case in my parents lives. I think I said to the
> group before that
one
> day I caught my mom eating her nopales with chile
> not many
months after
> my dad died. And she was crying while she ate
them.
> I asked her why she
> was crying and she said that she was
eating nopales
> the way she liked
> them. I didn't understand and
asked for an
> explanation. She said my
> father liked them plain
and for all the years she
> had been married to
> him she hadn't
eaten them like she liked them with
> chile because she
> knew he
liked them plain. Now as she was eating them
> her preferred way
>
with chile it reminded her of his death.
>
> it was different
customs and ideas and traditions
> that produced us and
> Olivia
taking the reins of a project like this is
> extremely important.
I
> don't know if you know folks or subsets of the
> Ranchos group
personally
> but if you could gather some oral history that
would
> be great. Oral
> history especially when its just stories
of what
> happened during a time
> of youth are full of the
customs and traditions that
> influenced us
> today.
>

> basically we would need to take stories like above
> and put
them into
> each catagory and upload them into folders on the
>
new site. No sense if
> we are going to "soon" be moving over to the
new
> site to build anything
> new on the Yahoo site,
>

> joseph
>
>
>
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
wrote:
>
>
>       You're a great
sales person Joseph.  I'd be more
> than happy to
> oversee
this.  I just have to figure out how and
> what I'm doing. 

>      
>
      Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
>
      Rowland Heights, CA
>
     
>       Joseph
Puentes <makas@nc.rr.com>
> <mailto:makas@nc.rr.com>
>
wrote:
>
>
>
>      
      Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:
>
           
>
            > I know that
our first and foremost task as a
> Ranchos
> member is the

>             >
research of our families, but I think it would
> be
> interesting
to look
>            
> at the various family customs/traditions that
> have
> been
passed down
>      
      > through the generations, including the
different
> foods
> and their
>
            > variations.
Is anyone else interested?
>      
     
>      
      names are just a brief part of what our
research
> should
> be about. I
>
            would much
rather only know our great grandparents
> and
> know all the

>             little
details of their lives that they passed
> onto our
> grandparents
so
>             we
could have a much better picture of the things
> that
> influenced
why we
>            
were taught what we were taught.
>      
     
>      
      Yes please do start a recipe area in the
files,
> start a
> customs area in
>
            the files, start
a music area in the files, start
> a
> cuentos area in the

>             files,
start a baile area in the files, start a
> ???? in
> the files.
But
>            
remember we are aiming at Jalisco, Zacatecas and
> Aguascalientes. Even

>             though
we aim at that target area doesn't mean
> we'll
> always hit it,
but
>            
with a steady aim we should hit it more often than
> not.
>
           
>
            Thank you Olivia
you have found your niche in the
> Ranchos group,
>
            oversite of the
"Nuestra Vida" project. . . i
> appreciate
> you taking over

>             this
part of our research by volunteering to be in
> a
> complete
overview
>      
      position of this new path. . . .that is what
you
> just
> volunteered for
>
            isn't
it????
>            

>            
thanks,
>            

>            
joseph
>            

>             ps: Now
do you see the posibilities? If this new
> path
> takes off and

>             becomes
popular we can eventually create a new
> email
> list for these
kind
>             of
postings. That way if the few in the group that
> are
> not really

>
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