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By Nuestros Ranchos - Posted on 25 February 2006

Hi all:

I was hoping someone could take a look at the informacion matrimonial for my great grandfather's marriage to his first wife. Specifically, there's one word that I can't make out under the "Consentimento" part. I'm hoping someone on this listserve has come across similar language.

The line says: "En el curato de Tlaltenango a los cinco dias del mes de Febrero de mil noveicientos tres ante mi el Presbitero Don Jose de Jesus Robles, Cura de esta parroquia comparecieron Pedro Pinedo y Maria Natividad Godoy madre de la _______________ y ambos dijeron que sus expresados hijos..."

I hope to hear from someone soon...

Chris Pineda

Chris,

I sent you a reply via Ranchos but now I am trying to send it via Nuestros Ranchos to see if I have this right. Most likely the word is "pretensa" meaning the one who is seeking to be married. "pretenso would be the word used for a male suitor seeking to be married.

Gracias........Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Dear Group Members,
I actually found my 6grandparents informacion matrimonial, and it doesn't follow the same entry format of those before or after!!  I knew Juan Fermin Santelices was from Spain, so I wonder if that's the issue.  I would truly appreciate it if I could impose upon someone more literate in Spanish to please help me with the translation.  The entry is not long, or stained, or difficult to read, my Spanish literacy is the issue and after getting this far in my search, I don't want to misunderstand what is being said.  
It's found under Queretero Church Records, Queretero, Santiago parroquia, Informacion Matrimonal 1793,  image 241-43.  On top of everything else, I've never made a link, before, so I hope this is correct.  If not, the above information is.  https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
My many thanks in advance for your help.   Alice Blake 

Juan Fermin Santelices from the city of Santander (i think) in the Kindom of
Castilla (that means Spain), single, legitimate son of
Tomas Santelices y Antonia Ibañez
with
Doña Maria Luisa Sepulveda from San Juan del Rio, maiden, daughter of
Gregorio Sepulveda y Maria Elena Morales

I hope it helps...

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Dear Group Members,
> I actually found my 6grandparents informacion matrimonial, and it doesn't
> follow the same entry format of those before or after!! I knew Juan Fermin
> Santelices was from Spain, so I wonder if that's the issue. I would truly
> appreciate it if I could impose upon someone more literate in Spanish to
> please help me with the translation. The entry is not long, or stained,
> or difficult to read, my Spanish literacy is the issue and after getting
> this far in my search, I don't want to misunderstand what is being said.
> It's found under Queretero Church Records, Queretero, Santiago parroquia,
> Informacion Matrimonal 1793, image 241-43. On top of everything else, I've
> never made a link, before, so I hope this is correct. If not, the above
> information is.
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
> My many thanks in advance for your help. Alice Blake

Greetings,
Thanks for the info.  I failed to mention that I got the gist of it, the principal characters, and yes he was from Santander, Spain.  I don't understand the other info contained..about Dr Dn Alonso Nunez de Haro y Peralta? Caballero Gran Cruz Prelado de la Real Orden Espanoles de Carlos Tercero.  Who is he and what is that about?  Or Calidad Ultramaximo?  Why are  25 pesos mentioned?  Is Santelices in a hurry to marry and asking to overlook witnesses or asking for special favors?  This is just so different from the other informacion matrimonial I've read, that I'd love to understand everything they're mentioning. I believe the link works for anyone else who could please help me understand the details.      Thanks again,  Alice Blake
>
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
>

He was running away so he ask for a "dispensa" for all the other paperwork
they need to get married, the dispensa was signed by the archbishop Alonso
Nuñez Haro de Peralta the rest is his title,

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Greetings,
> Thanks for the info. I failed to mention that I got the gist of it, the
> principal characters, and yes he was from Santander, Spain. I don't
> understand the other info contained..about Dr Dn Alonso Nunez de Haro y
> Peralta? Caballero Gran Cruz Prelado de la Real Orden Espanoles de Carlos
> Tercero. Who is he and what is that about? Or Calidad Ultramaximo? Why
> are 25 pesos mentioned? Is Santelices in a hurry to marry and asking to
> overlook witnesses or asking for special favors? This is just so different
> from the other informacion matrimonial I've read, that I'd love to
> understand everything they're mentioning. I believe the link works for
> anyone else who could please help me understand the details. Thanks
> again, Alice Blake
> >
> >
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
> >
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La *Real y Distinguida Orden Española de Carlos III* fue establecida por el Rey
de España Carlos
III,
mediante Real Cédula de 19
de septiembre de
1771 con
el lema latino «*Virtuti et merito*»,
con la finalidad de condecorar a aquellas personas que se hubiesen destacado
especialmente por sus buenas acciones en beneficio de España y la Corona.
Desde su creación, es la más distinguida condecoración civil que puede ser
otorgada en España. Aunque se encuentra dentro de la categoría de las Órdenes
Militares desde su creación,
formalmente se convirtió en orden civil en
1847
.

Tanto la Orden como las condecoraciones que se otorgan están reguladas en
un Real Decreto de
2002
,1 donde se
fija como objetivo «*recompensar a los ciudadanos que con sus esfuerzos,
iniciativas y trabajos hayan prestado servicios eminentes y extraordinarios
a la Nación*» y por una Orden de 8 de
mayo
de 2000 .

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orden_de_Carlos_III

Saludos.

Israel Valles

2011/7/27 Alice Blake

> Greetings,
> Thanks for the info. I failed to mention that I got the gist of it, the
> principal characters, and yes he was from Santander, Spain. I don't
> understand the other info contained..about Dr Dn Alonso Nunez de Haro y
> Peralta? Caballero Gran Cruz Prelado de la Real Orden Espanoles de Carlos
> Tercero. Who is he and what is that about? Or Calidad Ultramaximo? Why
> are 25 pesos mentioned? Is Santelices in a hurry to marry and asking to
> overlook witnesses or asking for special favors? This is just so different
> from the other informacion matrimonial I've read, that I'd love to
> understand everything they're mentioning. I believe the link works for
> anyone else who could please help me understand the details. Thanks
> again, Alice Blake
> >
> >
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)NuestrosRanchos.com
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.NuestrosRanchos.com
> >

Muchas Gracias Israel,
This is a very different informacion matrimonial and I invite you and any group member to access the link to familysearch and interpret what the details are.  I would love to know why the hurry to get married. 
I read the links you offered and they tell me about the Caballero Gran Cruz and that not every archbishop had the honor.  This archbishop must have done something extraordinary for Espana.  I think the entry indicates that he was the archbishop of the Santa Iglesia Metropolitana de Mexico?  Does that mean Mexico City or all of Mexico?  So many questions and so much to learn, but I find it fascinating.  All help--in Spanish or English is greatly appreciated.   Thank you again,  Alice Blake

2011/7/27 Alice Blake

> Greetings,
> Thanks for the info.  I failed to mention that I got the gist of it, the
> principal characters, and yes he was from Santander, Spain.  I don't
> understand the other info contained..about Dr Dn Alonso Nunez de Haro y
> Peralta? Caballero Gran Cruz Prelado de la Real Orden Espanoles de Carlos
> Tercero.  Who is he and what is that about?  What does Calidad Ultramaximo refer to? Is Santelices in a hurry to marry and asking to
> overlook witnesses or asking for special favors?  This is just so different from the other informacion matrimonial I've read, that I'd love to
> understand everything they're mentioning.  This is the link for
> anyone else who could please help me understand the details.      Thanks again,  Alice Blake
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Alice,

Un arzobispo tiene, en la iglesia católica, tiene las mismas facultades y el
mismo grado que un obispo, pero limitado a una región más importante que
una diócesis normal, que se le denomina Arquidiócesis. Al menos en México,
una arquidiocesis esta dividida en porciones territoriales mas chicas
denominadas Vicarías, que estan bajo el cuidado de un Vicario. El actual
Arzobispo de la Arquidiocesis Primada de México (que ocupa solo el
una porción del estado de México, y no todo el pais, como preguntas en tu
anterior correo) es el Excelentisimo Sr. Cardenal Norverto Rivera Carrera.

A continuación voy a dar lectura al documento que nos compartes para ver si
puedo ayudarte con algo.

Muchos saludos y si tienes cualquier duda sobre la
Iglesia Católica, pregúntame que con gusto podré ayudarte.

Saludos

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

2011/7/27 Alice Blake

> Muchas Gracias Israel,
> This is a very different informacion matrimonial and I invite you and any
> group member to access the link to familysearch and interpret what the
> details are. I would love to know why the hurry to get married.
> I read the links you offered and they tell me about the Caballero Gran Cruz
> and that not every archbishop had the honor. This archbishop must have done
> something extraordinary for Espana. I think the entry indicates that he was
> the archbishop of the Santa Iglesia Metropolitana de Mexico? Does that mean
> Mexico City or all of Mexico? So many questions and so much to learn, but I
> find it fascinating. All help--in Spanish or English is greatly
> appreciated. Thank you again, Alice Blake
>
> 2011/7/27 Alice Blake
>
> > Greetings,
> > Thanks for the info. I failed to mention that I got the gist of it, the
> > principal characters, and yes he was from Santander, Spain. I don't
> > understand the other info contained..about Dr Dn Alonso Nunez de Haro y
> > Peralta? Caballero Gran Cruz Prelado de la Real Orden Espanoles de Carlos
> > Tercero. Who is he and what is that about? What does Calidad
> Ultramaximo refer to? Is Santelices in a hurry to marry and asking to
> > overlook witnesses or asking for special favors? This is just so
> different from the other informacion matrimonial I've read, that I'd love to
> > understand everything they're mentioning. This is the link for
> > anyone else who could please help me understand the details.
> Thanks again, Alice Blake
> >
> https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.familysearch.org/records/pal%3A/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20820-9920-12%3Fcc%3D1881200%26wc%3D11050436
> > >
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>

Muchisimas Gracias Israel,
This tells me that he was the archbishop of the state of Mexico and not the entire country.   Thank you so much for your help.   Alice Blake

--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Diego Israel Valles Lopez wrote:

From: Diego Israel Valles Lopez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Caballero Gran Cruz
To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:38 PM

Alice,

Un arzobispo tiene, en la iglesia católica, tiene las mismas facultades y el
mismo grado que un obispo, pero limitado a una región más importante que
una diócesis normal, que se le denomina Arquidiócesis. Al menos en México,
una arquidiocesis esta dividida en porciones territoriales mas chicas
denominadas Vicarías, que estan bajo el cuidado de un Vicario. El actual
Arzobispo de la Arquidiocesis Primada de México (que ocupa solo el
una porción del estado de México, y no todo el pais, como preguntas en tu
anterior correo) es el Excelentisimo Sr. Cardenal Norverto Rivera Carrera.

A continuación voy a dar lectura al documento que nos compartes para ver si
puedo ayudarte con algo.

Muchos saludos y si tienes cualquier duda sobre la
Iglesia Católica, pregúntame que con gusto podré ayudarte.

Saludos

Israel Valles
Durango, MX

Alice, estoy para servirte. Sigo en revisión de tu documento.

Valles

El 28 de julio de 2011 10:32, Alice Blake escribió:

> Muchisimas Gracias Israel,
> This tells me that he was the archbishop of the state of Mexico and not the
> entire country. Thank you so much for your help. Alice Blake
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Diego Israel Valles Lopez <
> diego.valleslopez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Diego Israel Valles Lopez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Caballero Gran Cruz
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.com
> Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 2:38 PM
>
>
> Alice,
>
> Un arzobispo tiene, en la iglesia católica, tiene las mismas facultades y
> el
> mismo grado que un obispo, pero limitado a una región más importante que
> una diócesis normal, que se le denomina Arquidiócesis. Al menos en México,
> una arquidiocesis esta dividida en porciones territoriales mas chicas
> denominadas Vicarías, que estan bajo el cuidado de un Vicario. El actual
> Arzobispo de la Arquidiocesis Primada de México (que ocupa solo el
> una porción del estado de México, y no todo el pais, como preguntas en tu
> anterior correo) es el Excelentisimo Sr. Cardenal Norverto Rivera Carrera.
>
> A continuación voy a dar lectura al documento que nos compartes para ver si
> puedo ayudarte con algo.
>
> Muchos saludos y si tienes cualquier duda sobre la
> Iglesia Católica, pregúntame que con gusto podré ayudarte.
>
> Saludos
>
>
> Israel Valles
> Durango, MX

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