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By Visitor - Posted on 07 February 2006

Message from Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...

Dear Ranchos Members,   I thought I would share some of my musings and findings. Yesterday I called my sister-in law to share some information regarding one of our common ancestors going back 4 generations in Tlachichila, Zac. and also to ask a question about some Mexican History regarding this region. Last week while reading film # 0226731, Matrimonios de Nochistlan, years 1842-1847. Our ancestor, Mateo Ruiz de Esparza's first marriage to Maria, Florencia Gonzales in January 1845 states that he is from Jalpa Zac. but I noticed that within that time span there were many other marriages which showed that either the bride or the groom were from Jalpa and were new arrivals to Tlachichila, some for a few months and some a few years. It made me wonder why so many new arrivals from Jalpa. What made these people leave Jalpa Zac which is a larger town and come to Tlachichila which is so remote and isolated? and only has subsistence
farming, no other industry? I thought to ask her since she was educated in Mexico at UDG and lived in Guadalajara up until the time she and my brother married in 1996. Well she majored in philosophy and not Mexican History but she did provide a few possible clues but not enough so I ask anyone in the group who might have or know a little history on this region if you might know what was going on in the area of Jalpa Zac that made people flee from this region?   Now instead of asking  question I am providing one of my new findings, this I learned from my sister-in-law yesterday. I shared with her what I thought was a new or unusual surname. I had seen the surname Idem on a few documents but could not trace it back to anyone. I asked her about this since she studied latin and she set me straight. Idem is not a surname as I previously thought. I had seen it many times and it was
always used in the context as follows,  Jose Martinez y Magdalena Idem.   It is probable that everyone else already knew this but just in case there is one person who does not know this l thought I would share this with all of you.   Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo   Here is the definition per the dictionary. Therefore this would mean Jose Martinez and Magdalena of the same surname as Jose Martinez The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.  2000.   idem  
SYLLABICATION: i·dem PRONUNCIATION:   dm PRONOUN: abbr. id. Something that has been mentioned previously; the same. ETYMOLOGY: Latin, from id, it. See i- in Appendix I.        

Message from leticia leon caleta58@...

Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

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Message from Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...

Leticia,   Si leo el español pero no lo escribo muy bien. le hago la lucha, salga como salga. Mira Leticia, cuando mande el correo ya habia buscado en el sitio de Jalpa pero no da mucha informacion detallada acerca de la historia de Jalpa en los años que busco. Busco de los años 1838 a 1848 que parece ser cuando llegaron muchas gentes de Jalpa a Tlachichila. En el sitio de Jalpa hablan de los años antes y despues pero no durante estos años.   Gracias por tu respuesta........Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

leticia leon <caleta58@...> wrote: Hello Alicia, I wish you read spanish. Whenever I search for info about any town of Mexico I write the name in that space that says "search in the web" in my cp. I did it arter reading you message and jalpa has a site. I did open
the first item.  It is nice. in one of the options, wich is "jalpa" it opens into more options, so hope you luck              Leticia Leon Morales

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Message from leticia leon caleta58@...

Hola de nuevo En el mismo "buscar en la web" escribe : enciclopedia de los municipios de mexico zacatecas, yo no vi en historia algo relacionado con esos años, pudiera ser que hubo una sequia o tal vez una epidemia, tal vez en algun libro de algun cronista e Jalpa. Espero haber sido de ayuda      hasta la proxima te dice                               Leticia Leon Morales y te deseo suerte

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